25th of July, 2011. The day football died in Argentina.

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Any thoughts on Sabella Athe?

Right man? Wrong man? Safe man? Mediocre man?

Risky appointment, but the lack of candidates out there was pretty astounding. Bielsa would be the ideal man but after he quit in 04 that never looks like happening, I think last year post WC he said he wanted the job but now he's at Bilbao and it looks impossible that he will ever return as NT manager.

I think Sabella will do better than Batista but will still have the same AFA system as Batista with the same pressures and restrictions.

Any thoughts/expectations for him?

WC2014 is arguably going to be the defining moment, and the hardest moment, for any Argentina coach to take his team to the WC in Brazil and try to spoil their party. I don't envy Sabella for being given that task...

Sabella is a good manager, tactically flexible and above all things keeps a low profile. However, he's not an experienced manager, either, even if he was successful as a club manager with Estudiantes. I like him, but I'm not sure he's the right man for the job. I have more faith in him than I had in Batista (And infinitely more faith than I had in Maradona, I can tell you that), but I'm not getting any hopes up until I see what he's actually planning on doing with the NT.

Anyways, I'm of the opinion our problems lie deep within the AFA hierarchy and no managerial appointment is going to change that. Sabella is no puppet, however, or at least he doesn't strike me as one, after quitting his post due to disagreements with the Estudiantes board. I hope that if it comes to that, we, the fans, will take his side and ask for Grondona's head.
 
They wont say it but this is one of the greatest ever pools of Argentinian talent ever around in their primes at the same time, if your ever going to define a footballing history it will be winning the WC in Brazil. THAT has to be the ultimate prize for an Argentinian national team coach, and it is possible.

But I agree, AFA are such a joke it's not worth mentioning.

Off topic slightly but Argentinian exco member at Fifa said he wont vote for a WC to go to England until we gave the Falklands back. They have absolutely no shame in publicly flinging out statements like that, I have a strange admiration for the length of shamelessness they show...This league system idea was CLEARLY an elitist poilcy that made a mockery out of the league but they bowed to the big clubs especially River who went down.

So sad because this Argentinian crop of players is capable of so many great things.
 
The AFA is an entity as corrupt as they get. However the Falklands thing is down to chauvinism rather than corruption - either way it's something I don't condone, but rather dislike. They think that they're going to gain public support due to stupid statements like that - just like my god ole friend Galtieri did back in his day -, and the worst part of it all is that they actually did at some point - even though Grondona probably used that as an excuse to vote for whoever paid him the most money. However, most people are now adamant about turning things round and kicking Grondona out of the AFA, but that's public opinion and not the opinion of the board, which means we're still in square one.
 
Am absolutely thrilled at the news. Part of me sort of knew it wouldn't happen: it was just too crazy and there would be too much of an uproar. I think they were trying to get attention and then make it look like they were in touch with the public by turning down their own proposal (that they may have had no intention of carrying out) supposedly because of the public's will. Now I wonder how River will fare in the B next year.

The AFA is an entity as corrupt as they get. However the Falklands thing is down to chauvinism rather than corruption - either way it's something I don't condone, but rather dislike. They think that they're going to gain public support due to stupid statements like that - just like my god ole friend Galtieri did back in his day -, and the worst part of it all is that they actually did at some point - even though Grondona probably used that as an excuse to vote for whoever paid him the most money. However, most people are now adamant about turning things round and kicking Grondona out of the AFA, but that's public opinion and not the opinion of the board, which means we're still in square one.

As bad as Grondona is, at the same time it's not the AFA that is playing the games or managing the team. I think sometimes people overplay the importance of the administration. They affect manager choices and perhaps how the manager is viewed by the players (whether or not they think he is there to stay), which are very important, but once a good manager has been chosen the former isn't a factor (and sometimes the latter isn't either). Argentina's problem is more than Grondona, along with a poor back five, it's the same issue that Brazil has: all of their players play in different leagues on different continents. Especially with creative, technical sides like these, it makes it very hard for the players to play well together as a unit. In the modern tactical European game, where most of the best play, the players are more specialized than ever before. Now the problem is that when you put 11 together they might not complement each other well, and they definitely won't play well as a team if they all play different styles for their club teams. Argentina may have all of the attacking talent in the world but it's going to take a very good coach to figure out how to get the most of them.

I thought Batista should have been given more of a chance. He's the only one who wanted to do exactly what Argentina needs: give them a 4-3-3. Messi has to play in that formation to be effective. Argentina tried to use him as #10 in a 4-4-2 diamond but that doesn't work. He's not a midfielder, and having him sit far back and receive balls from deep does not allow him to use his strengths. Let him be the forward that he is, running at defenders and using his speed to create havoc, rather than be a deeper-lying playmaker. Because of Messi (again, the problem with having a team of such specialized players) Argentina has to play a 4-3-3 and it must be understood that the coach will use that formation (and try to imitate Barca, for that matter). That's what I liked about Batista, and Argentina was playing very well under him. So they had a slow start in the Copa, big deal, all the good teams did. They played better in their last two games and were very, very unlucky to not go to the semi-finals. Even though he's not a proven manager I think it's a shame they didn't give Batista more of a chance.

TBH, I'm not sure how good Sabella is, Estudiantes is a very talented team that has been well-run, not to mention they have Veron. I think that explains their success more than Sabella. Anyway, if he doesn't use a 4-3-3 than Argentina is screwed. I guess maybe they should try playing Messi simply as a media punta (shadow striker) in a 4-4-2, just to see if there is an alternative to the 4-3-3. But considering that Argentina doesn't really have a good natural winger other than Di Maria (and the fact that they have so many great center mids), the 4-3-3 suits them much better. Here's what they should do IMO

Aguero Messi Di Maria
Cambiasso Mascherano Banega
Pick your back five, but you need attacking fullbacks to provide width, so probably Zanetti and Zabaletta for now.

If that doesn't work, have Di Maria and Aguero switch sides or try bringing in Lavezzi or Tevez or Zarate. Or have the front three be Di Maria, Higuain, and Messi (from left to right). That way you have Di Maria crossing from the left, a pure number 9 in the middle, and Messi cutting in from the right. That's where Messi became a great player, so if the 4-3-3 with him in the middle isn't working out, I say try putting him on the right.

Now, if you want a 4-4-2:
Messi Higuain
Pastore
Cambiasso Mascherano Banega
Pick your back 5, but offensive fullbacks will be needed to provide width, so probably the two Z's for now.

Argentina has to use one of the above if they hope to be good at this point.
 
I have to take off as it's my mother's birthday, but as soon as I get back I'll give you an idea of why Grondona is behind a lot of the issues that plague Argentina's football.

I'm reserving this post :P

//Edit - Leaving aside issues corresponding to league standard (Which has an effect on the NT, because I agree with you one of the main issues is the fact all of our players play abroad), Grondona has been known to meddle into team affairs, showing up for practice and it's been rumoured he even has a say on team selection. Also, his choices of managers are often decided by personal friendship or as a means to gain popularity (Maradona, anyone?) rather than capacity.

There are others but these are the easiest to see and prove, so I'll go with these. Vm me if you want to talk about this subject any further.
 
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