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So just playing around with the beta to get a feel of the game and the new tactics etc. But trying to set the Arsenal line up as if it was real life just isn't working. I'm going with a 4231 like what Arsenal do play with this at the moment:

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I'm happy with the positions, but the roles are annoying me. I watch a lot of Arsenal and the role Mikel Arteta plays is either a ball winning midfielder or like the new half back position in DM. What he does is he breaks up the play for the opposition and usually just plays a simple pass. Very rarely now does he try anything to risky.

Yet playing in those types of positions he's getting a 2 1/2 rating or 3 star rating. But as an Advanced Playmaker he gets 4 stars? What's up with that?

I have a similar problem with Ramsey. He's very much a box to box midfielder at the moment yet in that role he gets 2 1/2 star rating yet as advanced pm or dlp he's on 3 1/2.

Now for Walcott. Rated 4 1/2 stars yet no position on the pitch is he getting more than 2 1/2. Whether it's RAM or ST. No role goes above this..

I may not be spot on with the roles about Arteta and Ramsey, please let me know if I'm misunderstanding the roles they play. But whats with Walcott?
 
Even though Arteta play the ball winning midfielder position at Arsenal at the moment, it doesn't mean that, that's his best position. When he played at Everton he was a playmaker, and i guess that SI thinks that he performs better as a playmaker than a ballwinning midfielder.
So even though Arsene Wenger "forces" him to play that role in real life, it doesn't mean that, it is his best role.
Same goes for Ramsey.

Sorry for the bad english. It's not my first language.
 
I've always found it very difficult to replicate the 4-2-3-1 like that in FM. There is just so much congestion in the middle, especially if you want to play with IFs, its very difficult to find space.

What tends to work better for me is making it a deep 4-2-3-1, move the CMs to DMs and open up that space in the middle for your AMC to sit in and spray passes/move slowly up the field. I dont like more than 4 players in or near the box at any given time.

Ramsey is young enough that you can train him to be a BBM over time.

I play a 4-5-1 with IFs, and a BWM and a AP at CM. Ramsey is the BWM and Wilshere is the AP, fantastic partnership, and they can swap positions fluidly (you may even consider playing Wilshere is a more withdrawn role until Ramsey gets better stats, Wilshere's stats are superb for a BWM, except for the tackling.
 
I need some help with my Arsenal team. I`ve started the season with 0-2 against City, 0-1 Chelsea, 0-2 Newcastle and 3-0 Liverpool.

I`m playing 4-2-3-1 with two CM. One BWM and one AP. Two IF`s, and one EG. A Porcher at the top.

The last games I`ve used Ramsey (BWM) and Wilshere (AP). Cazorla (left IF), Walcott (right IF) ?zil (EG) and Sow as porcher. Started the season with Flamini, Arteta and Podolski, men I want to use both Wilshere, Cazorla and ?zil.

Rigid
Attacking

I use:
More direct passing
Be more expressive
Higher tempo
Hassle opponents
Drop deeper

Any tips?
 
Hi Shearer86,

I will try to give you some advice regarding Arsenal.
Well, you play with a 4-2-3-1 system, that is at least correct.

But the fludity, mentality and instructions you use are exactly what Arsenal play - NOT!
Wenger plays with a high fluidity, so you should not play a rigid style as you dont want to look Arsenal play like Stoke ;-)
And Arsenal is a lot more patient nowadays and do nearly never play a run & gun-style... You can set the mentality thus to Control.
To summarize:

Fluid
Control

To the instructions:
Arsene Wenger uses a short passing system with a lot of possession and the players being patient to get their chances.
So first of all you should change your instructions to:

Shorter Passing &
Retain Possession

Secondly, Arsenal nearly never ever shoot from way outside the box. The best instruction to reflect this in FM is to set the instruction to:

Work Ball into Box

Arsenal player interchange positions nearly constantly so I set the next instruction to:

Roam from Positions

Usually Arsenal switch to attack after regaining the ball very quickly so you set the possession game to Play Out of Defence too.
Last but not least you can keep one last instructions as Arsenal use a pressing game:

Hassle opponents.

To summarize:
Work Ball Into Box
Shorter Passing
Retain Possession
Roam From Position
Hassle Opponents
Play Out of Defence



Let's take a look at the Player instructions:

The GKs are very easy:
Just set "Any player in this position" to Goalkeeper/Defend
Instructions should be: Take Quick Throws

CB (R) is usually set by Mertesacker. His duty is to stop opponents attack, so he is predominantly a limited defender/defend.
So is Kos when playing on the right side as the backup for Merte. Sagna should be set to central defender while Jenkinson is a limited defender too.
I dont give the CB (R) an instruction

CB (L) is usually set by Koscielny. I play him as a central defender/defend.
Instrucitons should be "Close Down More" and "Tackle Harder".
His backup is Vermaelen who is a Ball Playing Defender/Defend with the same Instructions.

DR is of course Sagna.
He is a very offensive player so I set him to "Complete Wing Back" that means his Duty is Attack.
His instructions are Stay Wider and Run Wide With Ball.

His backup Jenkinson. He's not as offensive as Sagna, so I set him to Wing Back/Automatic.
His instructions are Stay Wider and Run Wide with Ball plus Cross More Often as his crossing is excellent in the game.

DL is (usually) Gibbs IRL, in the game Monreal is still better.
Both are way more defensively than e.g. Sagna. In both cases I set the Role to Limited Full Back/Defend and the instructions also to: Stay Wider and Run Wide With Ball.

Central Midfield

The MC (R) is usually reserved for the more defensively orientated player in red and white.
Arteta is first choice. But as he is not the through and through Ball Winner, so I set him to Deep Lying Playmaker/Support.
Instructions:
Dribble Less/Pass It Shorter/Close Down More/Fewer Risky Passes

His backups:
Flamini -> BWM/Defend (Pass It Shorter/Mark Tighter/Shoot Less Often)
Aaron Ramsey -> DLP/Support (Fewer Risky Passes/Close Down More/Pass It Shorter/Dribble Less)
Jack Wilshere -> DLP/Support (Close Down More/Pass It Shorter/Fewer Risky Passes)
Frimponged -> BWM/Defend (Mark Tighter/Pass It Shorter/Shoot Less Often)

The MC (L) is a more offensive MC:
Both Jack and Aaron are very good here:
Jack Wilshere -> AP/Attack (Pass It Shorter/Roam From Position/close down more)
Aaron Ramsey -> AP/Support (Roam From Position/close down more/Pass It Shorter)
Tomas Rosicky -> AP/Support (Pass It Shorter/Close Down More/Roam From Position)

The AMR is Walcott area. He plays very much as a Forward Right IRL, so these are my settings:
Theo Walcott -> Winger/Attack (Get Further Forward/Roam From Position)
The backups AOC/Gnabry and Miyaichi are set just the same

AML is more complicated. With Cazorla playing this position he usually drift pretty much into the AMC position.
Cazorla -> AP/Attack (Sit Narrower/Roam From Position)
Rosicky -> just the same
First Backup Lukas Podolski plays as a left footed striker the same role as Walcott does on the right hand side, so I set him to:
Podolski -> Winger/Attack (Get Further Forward/Roam From Position)
Ryo is set to -> Inside Forward (Right footed) with also Get Further Forward and Roam
Gibbo can be set there as well, playing as a Defensive Winger/Support (Run Wide/Close Down Less/Stay Wider/Pass It Shorter/Fewer Risky Passes

Maybe the most difficult position is the AMC. Ozil's homeland...
But as many set him to a False 10 (Shadow Striker) or Trequartista, IRL he's at his best when he can get the ball from deep and push forward with loads of roaming without the ball. So I decided to give him also the AP/Attack Role:

Ozil -> AP/Attack (Move Into Channels/Roam from Position)
Backup Cazorla just the same
Further Backups Wilshere and Rosicky can Close Down better than the first two players so I set them to:
Wilshere/Rosicky -> AP/Attack (Move Into Channels/Roam from Position/Close Down More)

The lone strike is Giroud with the backups TGSTEL (Bendtner), Podolski and Sanogo.
As Giroud is not only the first man on the attacking line (thus AF) but also a TM (Heading!) and assist giver IRL I decided to set him to:
Giroud -> CF/Attack (Move Into Channels)
His backups all the same...

Well that's it basically for a start... ;-)

I think of finetuning some positions as I might change the role of the MC (L) and/or give Podolski in the SC position a poacher role... But at the moment the team does fine as I set it... Let's see how the first League results come out

Cheers
 
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Im curious to see how Becks does. That is a ridiculous amount of instructions, plus, since you are setting it as fluid and control sometimes the base instruction contradicts the individual instructions.

I'd love if you posted some league results.
 
Hi Shearer86,

I will try to give you some advice regarding Arsenal.
Well, you play with a 4-2-3-1 system, that is at least correct.

But the fludity, mentality and instructions you use are exactly what Arsenal play - NOT!
Wenger plays with a high fluidity, so you should not play a rigid style as you dont want to look Arsenal play like Stoke ;-)
And Arsenal is a lot more patient nowadays and do nearly never play a run & gun-style... You can set the mentality thus to Control.
To summarize:

Fluid
Control

To the instructions:
Arsene Wenger uses a short passing system with a lot of possession and the players being patient to get their chances.
So first of all you should change your instructions to:

Shorter Passing &
Retain Possession

Secondly, Arsenal nearly never ever shoot from way outside the box. The best instruction to reflect this in FM is to set the instruction to:

Work Ball into Box

Arsenal player interchange positions nearly constantly so I set the next instruction to:

Roam from Positions

Usually Arsenal switch to attack after regaining the ball very quickly so you set the possession game to Play Out of Defence too.
Last but not least you can keep one last instructions as Arsenal use a pressing game:

Hassle opponents.

To summarize:
Work Ball Into Box
Shorter Passing
Retain Possession
Roam From Position
Hassle Opponents
Play Out of Defence



Let's take a look at the Player instructions:

The GKs are very easy:
Just set "Any player in this position" to Goalkeeper/Defend
Instructions should be: Take Quick Throws

CB (R) is usually set by Mertesacker. His duty is to stop opponents attack, so he is predominantly a limited defender/defend.
So is Kos when playing on the right side as the backup for Merte. Sagna should be set to central defender while Jenkinson is a limited defender too.
I dont give the CB (R) an instruction

CB (L) is usually set by Koscielny. I play him as a central defender/defend.
Instrucitons should be "Close Down More" and "Tackle Harder".
His backup is Vermaelen who is a Ball Playing Defender/Defend with the same Instructions.

DR is of course Sagna.
He is a very offensive player so I set him to "Complete Wing Back" that means his Duty is Attack.
His instructions are Stay Wider and Run Wide With Ball.

His backup Jenkinson. He's not as offensive as Sagna, so I set him to Wing Back/Automatic.
His instructions are Stay Wider and Run Wide with Ball plus Cross More Often as his crossing is excellent in the game.

DL is (usually) Gibbs IRL, in the game Monreal is still better.
Both are way more defensively than e.g. Sagna. In both cases I set the Role to Limited Full Back/Defend and the instructions also to: Stay Wider and Run Wide With Ball.

Central Midfield

The MC (R) is usually reserved for the more defensively orientated player in red and white.
Arteta is first choice. But as he is not the through and through Ball Winner, so I set him to Deep Lying Playmaker/Support.
Instructions:
Dribble Less/Pass It Shorter/Close Down More/Fewer Risky Passes

His backups:
Flamini -> BWM/Defend (Pass It Shorter/Mark Tighter/Shoot Less Often)
Aaron Ramsey -> DLP/Support (Fewer Risky Passes/Close Down More/Pass It Shorter/Dribble Less)
Jack Wilshere -> DLP/Support (Close Down More/Pass It Shorter/Fewer Risky Passes)
Frimponged -> BWM/Defend (Mark Tighter/Pass It Shorter/Shoot Less Often)

The MC (L) is a more offensive MC:
Both Jack and Aaron are very good here:
Jack Wilshere -> AP/Attack (Pass It Shorter/Roam From Position/close down more)
Aaron Ramsey -> AP/Support (Roam From Position/close down more/Pass It Shorter)
Tomas Rosicky -> AP/Support (Pass It Shorter/Close Down More/Roam From Position)

The AMR is Walcott area. He plays very much as a Forward Right IRL, so these are my settings:
Theo Walcott -> Winger/Attack (Get Further Forward/Roam From Position)
The backups AOC/Gnabry and Miyaichi are set just the same

AML is more complicated. With Cazorla playing this position he usually drift pretty much into the AMC position.
Cazorla -> AP/Attack (Sit Narrower/Roam From Position)
Rosicky -> just the same
First Backup Lukas Podolski plays as a left footed striker the same role as Walcott does on the right hand side, so I set him to:
Podolski -> Winger/Attack (Get Further Forward/Roam From Position)
Ryo is set to -> Inside Forward (Right footed) with also Get Further Forward and Roam
Gibbo can be set there as well, playing as a Defensive Winger/Support (Run Wide/Close Down Less/Stay Wider/Pass It Shorter/Fewer Risky Passes

Maybe the most difficult position is the AMC. Ozil's homeland...
But as many set him to a False 10 (Shadow Striker) or Trequartista, IRL he's at his best when he can get the ball from deep and push forward with loads of roaming without the ball. So I decided to give him also the AP/Attack Role:

Ozil -> AP/Attack (Move Into Channels/Roam from Position)
Backup Cazorla just the same
Further Backups Wilshere and Rosicky can Close Down better than the first two players so I set them to:
Wilshere/Rosicky -> AP/Attack (Move Into Channels/Roam from Position/Close Down More)

The lone strike is Giroud with the backups TGSTEL (Bendtner), Podolski and Sanogo.
As Giroud is not only the first man on the attacking line (thus AF) but also a TM (Heading!) and assist giver IRL I decided to set him to:
Giroud -> CF/Attack (Move Into Channels)
His backups all the same...

Well that's it basically for a start... ;-)

I think of finetuning some positions as I might change the role of the MC (L) and/or give Podolski in the SC position a poacher role... But at the moment the team does fine as I set it... Let's see how the first League results come out

Cheers

Actually the Arsenal system of this year is not focused on possession football. It turns out we end up having more of the ball than the opposition, but the main focus now is creating better chances and being deadly in front of goal. More like the way Bayern played last season. It's about being efficient with the ball and getting men behind it when we don't have the ball.

I think our average possession this season has been 52%
 
Actually the Arsenal system of this year is not focused on possession football. It turns out we end up having more of the ball than the opposition, but the main focus now is creating better chances and being deadly in front of goal. More like the way Bayern played last season. It's about being efficient with the ball and getting men behind it when we don't have the ball.

I think our average possession this season has been 52%


How do you reflect this in FM14 terms???
 
Thanks Becks. Didn`t have to much success when I switched to this, but gonna start a new game with these instructions from start.
 
How to get the best out of Ozil? He does not create as much assists and goals as I wish he would.
 
This is something I'm struggling with as well, although on a grander scale (aka my Arsenal are below-par, which is odd because I've always been pretty successful with the Gunners on previous FM's).

I'm currently testing a Rigid/Control version of 4-2-3-1 with two DM's;

Jefferson

Montoya - Kosch - Merts - Coentrao

Matuidi - Arteta


Walcott - Ozil - Poldolski

Giroud

I've had Ozil play well in the centre playing as the 'Enganche' and pretty much giving him the freedom that he's got in the real Arsenal side. But his number's have never been as good as they are in real-life, but also bearing in mind he's not even played 10 games for Arsenal in total.
 
This is something I'm struggling with as well, although on a grander scale (aka my Arsenal are below-par, which is odd because I've always been pretty successful with the Gunners on previous FM's).

I'm currently testing a Rigid/Control version of 4-2-3-1 with two DM's;

Jefferson

Montoya - Kosch - Merts - Coentrao

Matuidi - Arteta


Walcott - Ozil - Poldolski

Giroud

I've had Ozil play well in the centre playing as the 'Enganche' and pretty much giving him the freedom that he's got in the real Arsenal side. But his number's have never been as good as they are in real-life, but also bearing in mind he's not even played 10 games for Arsenal in total.

well, you've introduced four new players to the side, thats always going to cause a problem.

Also not sure why you'd be playing rigidly, so much creativity and decision making in the side.

Cazorla needs to find a way into the side. No way should Poldi be being playing over Cazorla, no matter the role.

IMO, playing with two holding midfielders is contrary to arsenal's available personnel. Where does ramsey and wilshere play in that formation? Jack is your third string AMC behind Ozil and Cazorla? Ramsey has nowhere to play with two holding midfielders.

Play a 4-5-1 or move the two DMs to CM.
 
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Ozil has been a strange one for me. Hot and cold, kind of realistic in that sense I guess. But I struggled with Cazorla at CAM last year also, so I moved him to an Inside Forward on the left and Wilshere CAM and results were great.

I'm not sure why, but I can't get a CAM to play well. Wilshere played well for me, as did Eriksen when I brought him in, but I had them set to CAM (A) where as Ozil and Cazorla in that position are more Advanced Play maker or Enganche. But for some reason when I have my CAM to be the main man he just doesn't perform, yet when the CAM is more of a second striker/ following up from the striker they play better.

But yeah getting assists out of Ozil or Cazorla last year from the CAM position is difficult it seems, would like to see someone who can?
 
I'll be starting a season on FM14 with Arsenal and this thread looks like the right place to check with others with an Arsenal save.

The team looks quite strong to start with but a few new signings will probably strenghten the squad even more.

So, a couple of questions (more like points of discussion) I have, anyone welcome to join in. I say it again, I haven't even played yet, just from the feedback I get from various websites and fora.

1. What's the initial transfer budget of Arsenal?

2. What about the LB and RB positions? Is Monreal that good? Does Gibbs have potential or should I look for a wonderkid to replace him? Also, I reckon Sagna is really good at RB but I think the team needs something there other than Jenkinson to cover him, right?

3. Would you play Cazorla as an AML or AMR? I was thinking of playing him on the left with Walcott/Ox on the right. Must be better than playing Podolski on the wing.

4. Talking about the German, I am tempted to sell him and Flamini both, in order to bring a central defender for the future (CALL ME BALANTA) and a decent defensive midfielder able to evolve like Reyes from Porto. Also, a young poacher doesn't seem like a bad idea.

5. So far which players are the most consistent performers for Arsenal? Is Ozil working magic as an ACM?

What do you guys think?

I can't wait to start playing. Cheers.
 
1. What's the initial transfer budget of Arsenal?

2. What about the LB and RB positions? Is Monreal that good? Does Gibbs have potential or should I look for a wonderkid to replace him? Also, I reckon Sagna is really good at RB but I think the team needs something there other than Jenkinson to cover him, right?

3. Would you play Cazorla as an AML or AMR? I was thinking of playing him on the left with Walcott/Ox on the right. Must be better than playing Podolski on the wing.

4. Talking about the German, I am tempted to sell him and Flamini both, in order to bring a central defender for the future (CALL ME BALANTA) and a decent defensive midfielder able to evolve like Reyes from Porto. Also, a young poacher doesn't seem like a bad idea.

5. So far which players are the most consistent performers for Arsenal? Is Ozil working magic as an ACM?

1. Start with 35m ish - tell the board youll win the league and you get just over 40m!

2. Monreal is ok, about average but Jenkinson is massively underrated as is Gibbs (as a LB anyway). Buying versatile defenders (Balanta, Bartra etc.) is essential.

3. Spot on. Cazorla as a IF on the left or even a left sided AP is brilliant. Seems to be his best performing position.

4. Podolski isnt actually that bad. Doesnt fit into my set up but HE CANNOT BE SOLD. High wages, probably worth keeping for the first 6/12 months. gets some left wing screamers! Flamini is ok too and the budget/squad size is probably better suited to getting players in without losing anyone! Young poacher -> Timo Werner/Vela.

5. I am not the only one who CANNOT get Ozil to perform. I got a few decent performances from him as a Winger, but he is very frustrating. AOC plays well and Mertesacker scores headers for fun. Get a strong DM in the team and Arteta/Wilshere play 10x better!


Good luck!
 
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