Asymmetric Winger - Deep Testing

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Winger!

After trying some of the tactics present in this forum (Koflok's Goals Galore and others) and finding very few adapt to my players, I created one of my own. The team is modest, but it is overachieving, currently on a 10 or 12 games without defeats run and 6 games without conceding a goal. 4th in the Italian Serie A with second choice players, beating teams like Inter, Juve and Milan.

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First, some introduction:
I play with a team that starts in Serie B in Italy, Siena. The original team has been changed deeply through the first 2 years (currently playing the 3rd year, 2nd yr in Serie A). It is impossible to sign the best players or the best prospects, but some nice work can be done with free agents.


Player choice!

Regarding the tactic and the players you need:
DC: You need 2 strong central defenders. Suler and Canini are perfect for low budgets. Strength and Acceleration are quite important, and of course the 3 key statistics for these kind of players: Marking, Tackling, Heading. Use high and heavy players.Concentration is also important.
DR: I am playing with Benatia. Doing very well, his main duty is to defend. Having a decent value in crossing would be nice, but not necessary. Use in fact an adapted central defender.
DL: Here instead we need a wingback. Most of the actions will come from the left side, so find someone with balanced stats. Good Passing, acceptable physical attributes, some crossing and dribbling. Heading is not important, but a good value in Marking is appreciated.
MC: We need solid overall players. Good Long shots are appreciated, but not necessary. Passing is vital. Physical condition is ok if every value is in dark blue, avoid slow or weak players. Some Dribbling (13-15 might be enough) and Technique (16?) are appreciated. Try to find at least one player with very good free kicks. (18 or more, if possible. on the second year, with Carobbio (average player, but 18 FK) I scored something like 7 goals from free kicks, always on the closest pole).
AML: A key player for the formation! Required attributes: Acceleration, Dribbling, Crossing, Passing. Good pluses are Agility and Pace, Long Shots and First Touch. A cheap version of a player like this is Jesus Datolo (the mental aspect might be better though...).
STCR: We need a target man here. Needs to be very strong physically. Strength, Jumping, Balance, Heading are appreciated. Finishing is a strong plus, of course. A big Dribbling is not required.
STC: Here we need a complete forward. A player that has everything, Passing, Dribbling, Finishing, good physical attributes and Composure. Off the Ball is also important.

General considerations: try to buy tall players. Exceptions are possible for the left side of the field: left defender and the left winger, but the others are way better off if strong.


Best cheap players
I found so far (they might be useful if you are managing a low budget team)
Marko Suler - signed from AA Gent for 2m. Very solid central defender
Michele Canini - signed from Cagliari for free. More than decent
Luca Marrone - signed from Juventus for 800k. Improves a lot, scores a bit and covers a lot of holes.
Antonio Candreva - signed from Parma for 3.7m. Scores quite a bit, central midfielder.
Tomas Necid - Signed from CSKA Moscow for 6.5m. Failed on the first season in Serie A (8 goals total), but on the second one he is becoming a monster. 11 goals in 20 matches
Vaclav Kadlec - signed from Sparta Prague for 5m. Doesn't score a lot (yet! 9 goals in first Serie A season, 5 after 20 matches in the second one), but is in almost every action of the team.


About the tactic:
Results are for now a very good defensive solidity. Large number of clear cut chances, at least 3-4 per match. Good shooting from the midfielders, who find empty spaces when the winger attacks. Goals come from quick actions, inventions from the complete forward, quick passes between the target man and the rest of the team and finally from some crosses. Through balls from the midfielders are also quite decent. I usually start with attacking mentality, change to standard after some 20' and then see what is going on. Contain is used often in the final minutes (last 10' normally). Counter is rarely used, only if the team is experiencing difficulties controlling the game.

Possible changes:
Crossing might be tried with Floating Crosses.
Closing down might be changed to Stand off more. However, defense is working very well, so I would not change it too much.

Need some advice on the set pieces. Defending works, Attacking not too well. If you have suggestions, please let me know.


Final thing: if you test it, please let me know the results!
 
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good results for a second league team
i 'l put it to try (even thought i 'm not impresed ) and give it a shoot to see if there are results whit another club
thx thought for your work
i 'l tell you if is working or not or if i made some improvement to the tactic
 
good results for a second league team
i 'l put it to try (even thought i 'm not impresed ) and give it a shoot to see if there are results whit another club
thx thought for your work
i 'l tell you if is working or not or if i made some improvement to the tactic

the tactic seems quite simple. I tried a lot of more complicated things, but in the end this one is what I found best balanced.
I proceeded a bit and the situation on the second year of Serie A is:
2nd position, -1 from the leader.
In the last 19 matches (therefore all teams in Serie A) with this tactic:
1 defeat (vs. Catania, 5-3)
3 draws (vs. Juventus, Parma and Sampdoria)
15 wins

Results would not be exceptional with Milan, Inter or an already very good team, but with the acquisition of only youngsters or end of contract players (with none of them exceeding 30.000 weekly wage) seems quite good for me.
The goal is to qualify for the Champions League this year (still 10 matches missing, the 5th is 12 points behind), hopefully reach the final in the Italian Cup and go for the title next year.
 
Hi Sgergole!

I have just tested your tactic since November 2010 with Sevilla.
Some questions: opp. instructions?
touchline istruction?
match preparation?
pitch size?

THX!

I will be back with result.
 
Pitch size: I set it to minimum, and this seems to help an extra bit in defense!

Regarding touchline instruction and strategy: use pass into space a lot. Retain possession once you are winning and once you score the first goal, set the strategy to standard. If the opponent team scores you a goal, you can try overload for a couple of minutes, I managed to score a couple of goals immediately after by doing this. You can use contain in the last minutes, if you suffer a lot of pressure from the opponent team set counter for a while.
I rarely use Control as a strategy, only against weak teams. Sometimes

Match preparation: Special Focus area - Attacking Movements
Opponent instructions: I generally leave it to the assistant. Be sure to set the attackers to show onto weaker foot though.
Team talk: generally you can win today, for the supporters if you are playing against arch-enemies, good luck if you are playing against the top teams in the league.

I don't know if it is the optimal thing to do, that is what I do however and seems to work for now.

I hope it helps.
 
It looks just like a tactic from an Arsenal thread in FM2010. But the attacking position are in the opposite :D
Defo will give it a try.
 
Great! let me know what results you get!!
I played a couple more matches and at 8 matches from the end I am in first position.

Jesus Datolo is a very balanced left winger for this tactic! Power-up versions of him will of course be better, but keep him in mind to choose the main attributes for a winger!

The best part of the tactic seems to be the defensive part (at least for me). Be prudent in managing the tactics during the match: don't hesitate to put defensive or at least standard once you score the first goal, 1-0 is a good result and attacking too much might be dangerous. It is not a tactic that makes the games end 4-2 or 3-2 or similar, normally...

As an example for the strategies and shouts, my last match vs Lazio was like this (playing away):
Scored 0-1 with Necid, on a low cross from Datolo.
Changed from Attacking to Standard.
Lazio equalized 1-1 with Floccari, by getting my central defender mad and scoring a nice goal.
Kept Standard. Half time, talk was "you can win", with I have faith in your ability to Necid and Kadlec.
Right after starting the second half: changed from Standard to Attack, shouted Pass Into Space. Minute 52': Galloppa goes into space on the mid-left side of the field, served by Kadlec, shoots slowly but precisely from a narrow angle with the keeper closing him, hits the post but Datolo is on the rebound and scores.
Change the strategy to Defensive, shouted Retain Possession and 10' from the end Necid scores the 1-3 on a counterattack. Lazio did not do anything dangerous in the second half.

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Results of the season:
Siena (my team) wins the Serie A, with one match remaining.



The last crucial match was very difficult: vs Genoa after 30' I lose one of my DC, Suler, for double booking. I play with only one DC in the middle, willing to win the match. Just before half time, Genoa scores. 0-1 and in 10 players.
Team talk: where's the passion lads? Keep the attacking strategy
Minute 60 - Necid does 1-1. Minute 63 - Kadlec does 2-1. I move a midfielder to defensive midfielder and change my wing for a central defender. Defensive strategy. Genoa equalizes on a free kick in minute 80. Substitute a central defender, replaced by a wing. Attacking strategy, on minute 83 a combination between the winger and the middle forward sets a central midfielder in front of the goalkeeper, scoring the 3-2. Defensive strategy, match won by 3-2 and serie A closed!

The very last match was lost by 4-1 against roma, by sending substitutes on the field and not caring at all about the result. It worsened a bit the goal difference and the statistics, but ... I DON'T CARE! =)

Summary:
81 points: 25 W - 6 D - 7 L (2 losses at the beginning of the season, first 2 matches with a different tactic + the last match with Roma.. so 4 losses when playing the tactic optimally)
Goals: 67 For, 41 Against (2-10 goal balance in the 3 matches mentioned above.. would be 65-31 without those)
Best Striker: The STCR, the Target Man. In my case, Necid, 24 Goals in 36 matches. Second the STC, Kadlec, 15 goals.
Best Assistman: The STC, the Complete Forward. In my case, Kadlec, with 12 assists in 36 matches. Second the MCR, Candreva, with 8 assists (through balls, for the most).
Winger stats: a lot of injuries happened through the season, but the contribute of the 2 solid wingers I had is:
Jesus Datolo - 20 matches, 4 goals and 6 assists, 7.04 rating
Alejandro Gomez - 8 matches, 2 goals and 4 assists, 7.02 rating

If there is anything, feel free to ask.
 
Hi sgergole !

CONGRATULATION!!!

I will continue the game with your tactic as a Sevilla manager today evening.

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Hi again!

Do you use pass into space at STANDARD?
 
Yeah, pass into space also at Standard. Use it if the team doesn't manage to find a way to get through the defense...
 
Hi!

THX! At the moment I am 2nd position behind Barca in February. I have had only one defeat against Real Madrid at away since November. Champios League, 1/8 final - Chelsea ( Signed C.Ronaldo from Real Madrid ) coming soon...

My Line up.
GK Palop
DR Lora
DC Fazio
DC Alexis
DL Navarro
MC Annan
MCL K. Asamoah
MCR Cigarini/Gago
AML Dzsudzsák ( I am Hungarian as well ) / Capel
ST Luis Fabiano/Kadlec
STCR Negredo/Lukaku

I tweaked attacking corner and free kick setting according to Goals Goalore tactic. TRY IT!

I will be back after finished first season. YOUR TACTIC IS SUPERB!!!
 
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I am really happy that you are having great results!
K. Asamoah is a very good player in this tactic and is going to develop very well in the future, nice buy!

I will change the free kicks and corners into the Goals Galore Tactic, if that helps! I think that without making that, that part is one of the weak parts of the tactic!


For now, the tactic seems to achieve great results with medium-level teams, still haven't tested it yet with "superstars" teams.
If anyone else does give it a try, please post your results and comments.
 
Hi again.
What kind of training and team talk do you use? How is working tactic next season?
 
I am using Ian C training schedules. Regarding the team talks, You can Win for normal matches, Good luck for the very difficult ones and For the Supporters for the Derbies!

The following season I had a few weeks of adjustment because I changed a lot of players and was bored to organize matches in the preseason (big error). However, after the first 4 matches where I had a loss and 2 draws, the team started playing again very well.

Note: Alexis Sanchez is a beast of a winger in this team...
 
I am using Ian C training schedules. Regarding the team talks, You can Win for normal matches, Good luck for the very difficult ones and For the Supporters for the Derbies!

The following season I had a few weeks of adjustment because I changed a lot of players and was bored to organize matches in the preseason (big error). However, after the first 4 matches where I had a loss and 2 draws, the team started playing again very well.

Note: Alexis Sanchez is a beast of a winger in this team...

Hi Sgergole!

First season is done. 2nd place. Barcelona dominated all season.

Transfer before 2nd season:

Sahin from Dortmund - 14.5
Mariga from Inter - loan
Tiago from Juventus - loan
L.Galeano from Independiente - 4.5

I have changed corner to far post ( Fazio... ) It works on friendlies.
 
Well, 2nd place seems a fairly good placement to me! =)

I am currently leading the season 2012/2013, 46 points after 19 matches.

Best purchases for this team so far:
Kwadwo Asamoah - Left Central Midfielder
Alexis Sanchez - Winger
Alberto Paloschi - STC
Marko Suler - Central Defender

Kadlec can play in any attacking position: Winger, STC and even STCR.

Hazard might be a superb winger, Pastore a superb midfielder, but they are expensive and very difficult to get.

Will try to tweak a bit the corners and see what comes out!

How many goals did you score, how many conceded?

In the last season I am scoring very high, about 3 or 4 goals per match (Paloschi alone does one per match, on average), but conceding a bit more than in the previous season.

I noticed that when I play with Rafinha, a Wingback, as the right defender, I tend to concede a higher number of goals compared to when I put a Central Defender like Zapata or Benatia in that position...
 
Hi sgergole!

So I am at top of the table middle January 2011.

Pld Won Drw Lst For Ag G.D. PTS
17 12 5 0 34 10 +24 41

I also signed:
Y. M'Vila 5.5 m - Rennes
Srna - free - Shakhtar
F.Llorente - 8.5 - A.Bilbao

I sold Negredo to Stoke for 11 m: I hope it wil not be a bad decision.
CL - won the group - Udinese, Dinamo Moscow, Tottenham - 13 pts ( W4, D1, L1 - 10-5 )
I will update it after the season.
 
At first glance I like it a lot! always interested in tactics for non-top clubs so will give it a go at some point.

One thing, I'm usually not a fan of the target man (especially IRL), you think your tactic could work with a deep-lying forward instead?

Also, I can't help being a bit concerned about using offside trap: everytime I've tried that the AI literally raped me..

About offensive set pieces forgive my self promotion, but my centre back scored 20 goals from corners (in serie C2 though) maybe you want to check my tactic ;) ?
 
M'Vila is a very good buy, same as Srna! Don't know about Llorente though...

I am in February 2014 right now.
Went out at the Group Stage in the Champions League (10 points, but but made a loss and a draw against the team that came second.. Shaktar.. Last match, lost 4-3, with not given a regular goal at the 89' and conceding the fatal goal at 92'..), but won 3-0 vs Werder Bremen the first match in UEFA.
Playing now the semi-final in the Italian Cup, currently leading the Serie A.
25 matches played - 16W 4D 5L, Goals For 52 Conceded 20, Difference +32. Points 52.

Currently spending 663k Euros per week on Wages, which is quite fair and honest for a mid-level club. Big teams reach that amount with 5 players... Currently looking to lower it a bit however, have a 55k/week player in the bench. Some youth will just do it.


Regarding the Target Man: I placed it there firstly because Necid was the right man for the role. It worked quite well. I tweak to a double complete forward when I don't have the "Big Man" and need to play with two 170-180 cm forwards. Results are still quite good, the key player is still the Winger and the left central midfielder, for me..

Will try to change to your tactic for corners, thanks!
Let me know the results if you test it, kandersoson!
 
Could you please share us your set pieces setting?

THX!
 
Update:
When having offensive corners, place the best forward to attack the near post and kick the corner on the near post. Result is a first time shoot (foot) or a sliding tackle that is dangerous for the keeper. Did 2 goals in 3 matches with this, but obviously will test it a bit more. Needs good acceleration, first touch and finishing!

I am also testing Kandersson setup on corners!
 
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