Away Tactic Help

[cooneysclarets]

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Struggling to win games away from home, however, the tactic seems to be perfect at home.

Any advice on what I could change to pinch a few more points away?

 

[wkdsoul]

Amend the tactic to the team you are playing, not the stadium you are in first off.

Scout the opposition, see where they are weakest. Where are you losing goals or possession

 

[WJ]

It's unbelievably attacking, isn't it? What's the idea behind it? Details would be great, especially the choice of roles, duties and TIs and how it all fits together.

Looking at the instructions and roles, it doesn't really look like you want Counter Mentality at all, so I'm curious as to why you chose that?

 

[cooneysclarets]

I'm not trying for an exact replica, however, ive tried to incorporate Simone's style of play at Atletico in which the wide men and forwards are the main attacking threat. The central midfielders are used mainly to shield the two centre backs although I'm still looking for them to make simple passes to either a wide man or a forward.

 

[cooneysclarets]

Looking at the instructions and roles, it doesn't really look like you want Counter Mentality at all, so I'm curious as to why you chose that?

I choose the Counter Mentality because I want the team to be a solid block which it difficult to break down.

 

[WJ]

I'm not trying for an exact replica, however, ive tried to incorporate Simone's style of play at Atletico in which the wide men and forwards are the main attacking threat.

And you did that by Exploiting the Middle?

I choose the Counter Mentality because I want the team to be a solid block which it difficult to break down.

You're extremely open in transition as you're keeping 2, maybe 3 players back when you attack.

Where's this block going to be? You're sending most of your players forward and you're closing down quite a bit while also diving into tackles. I'm also not sure how Counter Mentality ties in with 'a solid block'?

 

[cooneysclarets]

I'm also not sure how Counter Mentality ties in with 'a solid block'?

The Counter Mentality states players stay behind the ball when defending with players tending to stay deep and maintain defensive shape if the attack comes to nothing. So I was thinking if I combined attacking roles with a counter mentality it might create a good balanced tactic.

 

[WJ]

The Counter Mentality states players stay behind the ball when defending with players tending to stay deep and maintain defensive shape if the attack comes to nothing. So I was thinking if I combined attacking roles with a counter mentality it might create a good balanced tactic.

Players play safer with that mentality and by default will be fairly deep and fairly low closing down. You've thrown all that out the window by increase closing down, D-Line, tempo etc. You're now playing much more like a Standard or even Control mentality.

You're also sending most of them forward, with the role, duty and Exploit the Middle choices - which you can easily see in any match. I still do not understand why you chose that TI?

In any case, those 3 will make you quite aggressive. It's risky. You're simply pushing too many players forward.

 

[cooneysclarets]

Players play safer with that mentality and by default will be fairly deep and fairly low closing down. You've thrown all that out the window by increase closing down, D-Line, tempo etc. You're now playing much more like a Standard or even Control mentality.

You're also sending most of them forward, with the role, duty and Exploit the Middle choices - which you can easily see in any match. I still do not understand why you chose that TI?

Exactly by selecting counter the D-line drops and so does the closing down, however, just because counter is selected doesn't mean you have to stick to the default. It gives you the discretion to be able to move the D-line or closing down higher/lower but within that mentality means ?

So if my players are naturally sat deeper due to the mentality don't I need to be sending players forward to be able to break down the opposition ?

TBH I do agree with you in the sense of exploiting the middle due to the wide mean being my main outlet, however, I selected it because I player narrowly so I presumed that they would be playing through the centre with the roles they also have.

 

[WJ]

Exactly by selecting counter the D-line drops and so does the closing down, however, just because counter is selected doesn't mean you have to stick to the default. It gives you the discretion to be able to move the D-line or closing down higher/lower but within that mentality means ?

I'm just asking why you chose the Mentality, because you don't seem to want it with all of those tweaks.

So if my players are naturally sat deeper due to the mentality don't I need to be sending players forward to be able to break down the opposition ?

Depends on what you're creating and what roles you have.

TBH I do agree with you in the sense of exploiting the middle due to the wide mean being my main outlet, however, I selected it because I player narrowly so I presumed that they would be playing through the centre with the roles they also have.

But there's a huge gap in the logic here?

- You're exploiting the middle, where you have 2 players compared to mostly 3 man midfields. So why do you aim to channel the ball specifically through the middle?

- Your wide men are set to bomb forward. The BBM makes late runs and the CM/D holds. By selecting the TI, you're now asking the wide players (on attack duty?!?) to make fewer forward runs and your centre two to attempt more runs. So the CM/D will now play a bit more like a CM/S and the BBM will attempt forward runs quite often.

So your "attacking roles" will now be far less attacking and the wide players have now been restricted from what you originally chose.

You also stated you chose the Mentality to get players to be deeper and behind the ball, but with the TIs it doesn't seem like you want that?

It's all a bit neither here nor there.