Away vs Home tactics ?

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I'm Arsenal, doing pretty well, home games I almost always destroy my opposition (beat Man Utd. 4-0). But away games I struggle vs. small teams and never beat bigger teams. Do the tactics really make THAT much difference if your home/away? I saved the game before an away match against Man Utd. just to try out different tactics, and nothing has worked so far... played 15 times, lost every single one.

Just wondering what changes should be made for tactics in away games? And is it possible to boost form in away matches somehow? Van Persie and Matias had a 10.0 and a 8.9 in my previous match vs. newcastle and now they are averaging 5.5-6.5.

Cheers in advance!

Holy
 
I'd suggest a couple of issues going on here...

First one is the form of your players varying so wildly (assuming that this is a regular thing for them to have a good match followed by a bad match). Either they are inconsistent performers or you are not motivating them properly with your teamtalks. Are you overpraising them so in the next match they are too complacent? My gut feeling is that their fluctuating form is down to your teamtalks. Review whether you are having any impact upon players with the teamtalks by getting the assistant manager's feedback for each one you give. Also check the 'motivation' screen (Home Stats or Away Stats in match, choose the 'view' option and then choose 'motivation'). This will tell you if a player is feeling nervous or complacent during the game. Always worth checking before giving your half-time teamtalk. So a nervous player may need to be told he's under no pressure. A player with low morale may need to be told you have faith in his ability. A player who is showing complacency may need to be told you're not impressed with his performance. It seems like different personalities respond to different teamtalks in different ways, so worth keeping an eye out for things that work and things that don't for specific players.

As for your tactics... well, there is a slight advantage always given to the home team. They perform 6% better than they would do if they were playing away from home. Thing to watch out for with the big teams is that if you attack too much and don't concede then the little teams will frequently nick a goal with a counterattack. So play a little more cautiously, not too much, but try to control the game and build up pressure by lowering things like the tempo a little and increasing things like creative freedom just a bit more for your attacking players. The best way to figure out what's going wrong is to watch a few matches in full and to spot what's happening which is making your tactics less effective away from home. Could be that teams aren't being quite so defensive and so finding weak spots in your tactics or it could be that your tactics aren't patient enough to get through a well organised defence which has the home crowd behind it.


Radically changing tactics won't work when reloading games btw. It takes a few games before the team will 'adapt' to a new mentality structure or totally different style of play. Replaying matches using different tactics will rarely help much for that reason, far better to tweak the tactic/s which you use regularly so that they work for that particular game. Of course, you could eventually stumble upon that tactic which hides all your team's frailties while finding out key ones in the opposition but that would be a very long and boring way to play the game for me :D
 
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Some fantastic advice there Zebedee, will be taking some of that on board myself, its all just common sense really but its what you don't think about because its too...life like!
 
try and play deep with a defensive midfield away from home. but dont go too defensive, that backfires most of the time. if you are one goal behind, get AMC with forward run arrows, that somewhat makes a secondary striker. lower the creativity bar, because you want your team to stick with the tactic.
 
Very helpful Zeb :) I'll try that stuff out and let you know how it goes :)

But what you said about watching a match and finding out what exactly is going wrong... I find that 90% of the time what's going wrong is that my players are constantly making mistakes, giving away posession EVERY single pass, wildly missing shots on goal or just not really moving/going in for the tackle. This I presume is to do with their form. Is it just co-incidence that the bad form always comes on away games? Because it really doesn't seem like only a 6% margin :P My clearances will go straight to the opposition 99% of the time and theirs will go to their players resulting in counter-attacks. Although to be honest they arn't the problem, it's usually the mass amount of corners I concede after poor clearances; eventually resulting in goals, and then my players just not being able to equalise.
Thanks again :)

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How do you check your assistant managers feedback on each 'Team Talk' :S
Do you mean just let the assistant do the talk?
 
---------- Post added at 03:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:43 AM ----------

How do you check your assistant managers feedback on each 'Team Talk' :S
Do you mean just let the assistant do the talk?

Go to your first team squad page. In the options at the bottom left of the screen is an assistant manager one - you can request a team report, or ask him to find someone to loan or get feedback on your last teamtalk. Choose the teamtalk option, and then you'll see a screen which gives your teamtalk and the players' reaction. You can choose to view pre-match, half-time or post-match teamtalks and how players responded. Using this screen and the in-match motivation screen you can start to track how each player responds to different things and then figure out how to get them to play better ;)


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Just taking your posts on face value. To me that would sound like that you aren't giving your players enough time to play and asking them to play too quickly or are being pressed a lot and the players are under pressure. Slow the tempo down, increase timewasting a bit, maybe shorten the passing and when the opposition are knackered from chasing the ball around, then increase the tempo and blitz them :D
 
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Thanks again :)
I like the sound of blitzing them :P
Although players like Walcott start complaining they are used to playing at a quicker pace!
 
I'd suggest a couple of issues going on here...

First one is the form of your players varying so wildly (assuming that this is a regular thing for them to have a good match followed by a bad match). Either they are inconsistent performers or you are not motivating them properly with your teamtalks. Are you overpraising them so in the next match they are too complacent? My gut feeling is that their fluctuating form is down to your teamtalks. Review whether you are having any impact upon players with the teamtalks by getting the assistant manager's feedback for each one you give. Also check the 'motivation' screen (Home Stats or Away Stats in match, choose the 'view' option and then choose 'motivation'). This will tell you if a player is feeling nervous or complacent during the game. Always worth checking before giving your half-time teamtalk. So a nervous player may need to be told he's under no pressure. A player with low morale may need to be told you have faith in his ability. A player who is showing complacency may need to be told you're not impressed with his performance. It seems like different personalities respond to different teamtalks in different ways, so worth keeping an eye out for things that work and things that don't for specific players.

As for your tactics... well, there is a slight advantage always given to the home team. They perform 6% better than they would do if they were playing away from home. Thing to watch out for with the big teams is that if you attack too much and don't concede then the little teams will frequently nick a goal with a counterattack. So play a little more cautiously, not too much, but try to control the game and build up pressure by lowering things like the tempo a little and increasing things like creative freedom just a bit more for your attacking players. The best way to figure out what's going wrong is to watch a few matches in full and to spot what's happening which is making your tactics less effective away from home. Could be that teams aren't being quite so defensive and so finding weak spots in your tactics or it could be that your tactics aren't patient enough to get through a well organised defence which has the home crowd behind it.


Radically changing tactics won't work when reloading games btw. It takes a few games before the team will 'adapt' to a new mentality structure or totally different style of play. Replaying matches using different tactics will rarely help much for that reason, far better to tweak the tactic/s which you use regularly so that they work for that particular game. Of course, you could eventually stumble upon that tactic which hides all your team's frailties while finding out key ones in the opposition but that would be a very long and boring way to play the game for me :D
my team if they get complacent i tell them im disappointed then the become nervous nd keepcausing mistakes
 
<3 you Zebedee :) Adjusting tempo at about 60 minutes... works a treat :D
 
my team if they get complacent i tell them im disappointed then the become nervous nd keepcausing mistakes

A lot depends on the player's personality. I've not studied it in depth because I think I'd need to use an editor to get to the bottom of it (and no-one on SI forums has yet done it either).

But... ok, certain players don't respond to criticism well (young players maybe?) - how about the 'I expect a performance', or 'go out there and prove a point' or 'for the fans' teamtalks? It's about individuals so if you are willing to micromanage you can actually get results. You've obviously taken the first step in ruling out one way to motivate a certain player, so how about another way?

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@HolyXIII - cool :) Players who the assistant manager identify as not doing something well (suit your style of play) do eventually learn to adapt - but in that period they don't perform as well as they can do.
 
I just don't understand so much stuff in this game :P I beat Chelsea 2-1 without a full squad and with players tired from their last match... then I lose 5-2 to Sunderland with a full, well rested, happy squad... It's doing my nut in :P I thought maybe it was because I just bought Mata and Matias into the squad, but I tried playing without them and it doesn't get any better :(
 
"you have faith" always works good for players who do not play as good as usually

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I just don't understand so much stuff in this game :P I beat Chelsea 2-1 without a full squad and with players tired from their last match... then I lose 5-2 to Sunderland with a full, well rested, happy squad... It's doing my nut in :P I thought maybe it was because I just bought Mata and Matias into the squad, but I tried playing without them and it doesn't get any better :(

the reason could be Sunferland's and Chelsea formations, their pitch size (if played away), your wrong/right team talks and more
 
the reason could be Sunferland's and Chelsea formations, their pitch size (if played away), your wrong/right team talks and more

Yeah I know, but a lot of my losses just dont seem to make sense... if you watched the games individually most of the time it would seem like I am just being unlucky that game (for example I'll hit the crossbar/post 4 times, get several rebounds off the keeper in one go and still not quite score... and then they get one corner and scramble a goal in.) But it happens too regularly to be bad luck :P
Alot of the time my players arn't even on bad form, they have 6.9-7.5 but I still don't seem to win. The start of my season started great, wish I knew what had changed :P
 
Yeh, that is what I thought :P But when I tried loading/retrying 1 or 2 of the games... didnt make a difference :P Tried checking the effect of my team talks aswell, tried saying every single option, and every single one gave "no notable effect" or whatever it says :P And all my players have Super Morale... but yet I still lose away games :P
Ah well, just finished my first season...
2nd in the premiereship (loaded and retried 3 games early on to tweak tactics so it's kind of undeserved.)
Quarter final of FA Cup. (Knocked out by newcastle :S)
Quarter final of Champions league. (Knocked out by Schalke :|)
Won the English Cup or whatever it's called. (Beat Man U. on penalties *phew*)

Thanks again for all your help Zeb :)
 
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