Cant get results with my Liverpool side.

[ajdedinamo]

I have read many posts about liverpool tactics and that. But they just dont seem to work for me. They never play a good passing game, its like the defenders just kick and hope. And they say that Torres will carve the defence. He plays good, bt never scores. 3 or 4 games into the 1st season he hasent scored any. He never has space to score, but i dont like using 2 strickers.

Iv only magaed to buy 1 player in the off-season beacause of liverpool's low budjet. But this is my tactic along with my player instructions.

St: Torres
AMC: Gerrard
ML: Riera
MR: Srna
MC: Alonso
MC: Macherano
DL:Aurelio
DC: Skrtel
DC: Carragher
DR: Arbeloa

DR and DL : Mentality normal (in the middle), Passing style normal (middle), Cross ball often, Cross from deep. (for Aurelio forward runs are often), cross from deep.

DC's: Menality Ultra defencive (almost all the way left), Passing style direct (3/4's of the whole thing) Forward runs and run with ball rarely.

MC's: Mentality normal, Passing style mixed,

MR,ML: Mentality attacking (3/4 of the bar right), passing style short (1/4 of the bar), Run with ball often, cross ball often, cross from by line.

AMC (playmaker): Mentality attacking (3/4 of the bar), Creative freedom much (3/4 of bar), run with ball often, through balls often, free role

ST: Mentality Ultra attacking (almost full bar), forward runs and run with ball often,

Playmaker: Steven Gerrard

Target man: Torres

With this tactic I didnt get alot of good results, here they are;

W 3-1 vs Wigan H PD
L 3-1 vs Middlesbrough A PD
D 1-1 vs Blackburn H PD
D 1-1 vs Celtic A CH
L 0-1 vs Chelsea H PD
W 1-2 vs A villa A PD

I got away with that last match with Srna scoring a free kick. But I am disapointed with the rest of the fixtures. Like I said the players loose posession stupidly and torres never has space.

I would also ask of a good away strategy. It might help with the lost and drawn away matches.

If any fixes are needed to my tactics please post. I am open to all ideas, as long as another stricker isent needed.

Thanks.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

I would also ask of a good away strategy. It might help with the lost and drawn away matches.

If any fixes are needed to my tactics please post. I am open to all ideas, as long as another stricker isent needed.

Thanks.

I think you need to post your tactic as well, since the team instructions are crucial information.

Also,do you like playing a plug & play tactic that easily can be tweaked in different directions or do you want to use a set/multiple tactics

 

[ajdedinamo]

ere they are

I think you need to post your tactic as well, since the team instructions are crucial information.

Also,do you like playing a plug & play tactic that easily can be tweaked in different directions or do you want to use a set/multiple tactics

Id rather somthing complex like set multiple tactics.

Team instructions

Tempo: Normal (normal because i have no idea what els to do with it.
Width: Wide (3/4 of the way)

Defencive line is deep.

Time wasting: mixed

Closing down: Own area (1/4)

Focus passing: Through middle (no idea what to do there either)

Zonal marking

Target man suply: Run onto ball (in a pickle between feet or run onto ball)

use target man, use playmaker, counterattack.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Id rather somthing complex like set multiple tactics.
l)

use target man, use playmaker, counterattack.

My Tactical Thread

Here is the link to my thread. I suggest you down load the 4411 and have a look at it. It does not use a target man or a playmaker but the FC are given " comes deep to link" instructions.

Just use my thread for any other questions.

As for your tactic, if you want to use a 4411 and develop it yourself, t I suggest that you start by using the following settings as a standrad tactic

NO Target man. No playmaker
use a 4411( AMC, FC)
Set all players to "set to instructions"
Set all players to team mentality, team passing, team closing down
( the FC to mixed and remove the t-balls)
Set all fwruns to mixed for all players
D-line : Middle+2
Width: MIddle +3



Team Mentality: Middle + 4
Dropped mentality for the DC by 2 notches
Dropped mentality for the FC to be equal to D-line
Raised mentality for AMC to 20

Tempo: MIddle +2
Team Closing Down: + 4
Set Fbs and MCs closing down to D-line
Set DCs and one Mcs closing down to 4 notches below d-line.

Team Passing. Second notch of mixed
Fc passing: First notch of direct

There is a good start.
here are some tips on how to tweak it as a starting point
To tweak it into a more attacking version then raise the d-line by 4 notches, the fC mentality by 4 notches and the passing of 4 nocthes

To tweak it into a more defensive then lower team mentality by 4 notches and tick counter attack

 

[ajdedinamo]

Ok. Thanks for that. But i dont think you see the point. I want to change around my tactic so that the defence dosent kick the ball up and loose posession, and that torres can score goals. I just want to change it around, not change the whole thing.

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Ok. Thanks for that. But i dont think you see the point. I want to change around my tactic so that the defence dosent kick the ball up and loose posession, and that torres can score goals. I just want to change it around, not change the whole thing.

 

[SAFC7]

if you don't want your defenders kicking the ball up the field, put there passing style on short. and set your goalkeeper distrubtion to quick throw. or defender collect. that should help you keep the ball a bit better

 

[JP Woody]

Ok. Thanks for that. But i dont think you see the point. I want to change around my tactic so that the defence dosent kick the ball up and loose posession, and that torres can score goals. I just want to change it around, not change the whole thing.

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Ok. Thanks for that. But i dont think you see the point. I want to change around my tactic so that the defence dosent kick the ball up and loose posession, and that torres can score goals. I just want to change it around, not change the whole thing.

These tactics are short passing and were designed for my Liverpool game,look at the screenshots and the results achieved wit a quite weak Liverpool side.Lovely football too.
http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=693

 

[sudeep]

you can check sami's feeback about the oponents team before every game starts.. based on that you can change your tactics.... so that you can have high chance of winning the game..

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Ok, then I misunderstood. Still, my suggestions on how to change it around would still be the same, but in miniformat these..

Try raise the d-line a few notches
Make the theam more compact by making them have global mentality
Do not use Target man, run at ball, and play thru middle at the same time

 

[ajdedinamo]

What about some tactics for giving Torres some space. I have read many posts and they all say that Torres carves up defenders. But in my game he never does so. He never has any space. And like I said in earlier post i dont like the idea of using a second stricker. Dont ask me why I just dont hehe.

And I would also ask about away tactics. Why would I need 1 and how would I set one up?

 

[Preston85]

In your tactic it seems like you don't know what you want the players to do. You have Play Through The Middle, yet tell the players to play Wide, so there's not many options for them to pass to in the middle of the field. Teams are also likely to be defensive against you since your a big club so will be narrow, hence will outnumber your players in the middle.

Liverpools strength is the technical, passing and creativity ability of there players, telling the defenders to just play direct balls will waste that ability. Direct balls are for poorer technical ability teams who have to rely on physical and mental attributes to suceed, especially at the lower leagues.


Torres: Make sure he's on Free Role so he will roam to find space rather than just standing near the central defenders.


Home and Away Differences: At Home your more likely to be attacking while the opponent more likely to defend, hence you need to break them down by keeping the ball, passing it around and drawing them out of position, especially if they have everyone behind the ball. When your Away they are usually more willing to attack so there should be space for you to counter attack into so don't need to play keep ball as much.

Watch say Liverpool vs Real Madrid. Liverpool attacked with speed and creativity into the space left by Real Madrid attacking. Then watch Liverpool against a bottom half of the league team, they will be a lot more patient in the build up to create space since its not there for them to attack straight away.


I quickly made a tactic yesterday for a Liverpool team, I only gave it limited testing but basically shows the theory Liverpool use under Benitez: http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=97372&postcount=22
From that I would create my attack home, attack away, defensive, ect versions.
Against weaker teams who defend you can up the mentalities, lower the tempo, set the FBs to HUB since they are good on the ball and will draw the defenders out of position.
Against teams who attack (like when your away) you can play counter attack, decrease the DCs mentalities, increase the forwards (so they can attack the space sooner), you can also set play down the flanks if there FBs attack to much.

 

[ajdedinamo]

In your tactic it seems like you don't know what you want the players to do. You have Play Through The Middle, yet tell the players to play Wide, so there's not many options for them to pass to in the middle of the field. Teams are also likely to be defensive against you since your a big club so will be narrow, hence will outnumber your players in the middle.


I quickly made a tactic yesterday for a Liverpool team, I only gave it limited testing but basically shows the theory Liverpool use under Benitez: http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=97372&postcount=22
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Thanks for all the help. Just that, liverpool has no great right wingers in the new patch. Thats why I got Srna but he dosent play in the RAM position. He playes more the RM position. So i guess that changes things ay?

 

[Preston85]

You could train him to play the position, but probably best to stick to your 4-4-1-1. It's just my preference to play a DMC so want to get more pressure upfield by playing AML+R, plus I expect them to be goal scorers who can dribble inside and finish (turn down crossing to mixed/rarely) and not just cross it since there's only really Gerrard and Torres in the middle.


You say you lose Possession in your tactic so i'll try to explain fully why:
- Firstly that wide formation + play through the middle. Your players are spreading out trying to create space by pulling the opponents wide, but you won't do that unless you get them the ball so really want Mixed or Play Down The Flanks. Playing it through the middle when the opponents are in a tighter formation will just outnumber your players and lose you the ball, especially if playing direct since even if your player wins the header chances are it will go to a opponent player.
- Secondly the ST mentality. You have your ST playing as attacking as possible, so really he's not interested in comming deep to get the ball so thats one less passing option, especially if the opponent is playing deep and defensive since there won't be much space behind the defense for through balls. He's isolated, he doesn't have a FC to partner him, really the AMC and ST should be looking to work together and the two MCs (one attacking, one defending) so they have support and passing options.
- Thirdly the MCs mentality. Your keeping to many players back, think of Gerrard as a FCd(efensive) and Torres as a FCa(ttacking), so your two forwards only real support is from the ML and MR who are probably sitting the lap of the LB+RBs. Really you want at least one of the MCs to be in an advanced attacking position to receive short balls from the forwards or to collect clearences on the edge of the area.
- Fourthly the defenders, defensive line and closing down. You have 2 DCs on ultra defensive and 4 players (RB,LB,2xMCs) on Normal, so they arn't interested in getting far forward, so chances are the opponent is easily winning clearences. The more players you have in advanced positions, the quicker you can close down an opponent and more chance he will play a poor ball to no-one. Your just letting them win the ball then bring it forward before you try to win it.
- Lastly Free Role for Gerrard. That means he's roaming around looking for space, and with the two MC's on Normal Mentality and only 1 ST so probably only Torres is in a central attacking position, that doesn't leave a lot of options for "Play Through The Middle".

There's probably more but I think thats enough, hopefully you will see why it will take more than a couple of changes to stop giving the ball away rather than to Torres.

Try what TheBetterHalf put, your players should be in a position to support each other in attacks so pleanty of passing options.

 

[strachjames]

Mate search for the brian clough tactic on it. 3 matches to get used to it and they'll be playin top football. Constant possession, very attackin football but very tight at the back also. Trust mate its a quality tactic. Best with 4-4-2 tho.

 

[Preston85]

It's linked earlier in the topic

 

[ajdedinamo]

Ok thanks alot for the help guys ill try it out now.

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Home and Away Differences: At Home your more likely to be attacking while the opponent more likely to defend, hence you need to break them down by keeping the ball, passing it around and drawing them out of position, especially if they have everyone behind the ball. When your Away they are usually more willing to attack so there should be space for you to counter attack into so don't need to play keep ball as much.

One more thing. Can I get an oppinion on a good away tactic. thanks

 

[Preston85]

Well your a good team so depends how people play against you. If you see them just 11 men behind the ball, D-Line not pushing out so not giving you much room then just use the Attacking version TheBetterHalf said:

To tweak it into a more attacking version then raise the d-line by 4 notches, the fC mentality by 4 notches and the passing of 4 nocthes

Maybe add HUB to the fullback as they are good on the ball and will slow things down and hopefully give your forwards and midfields space to move into when the opponent closes down your FBs.

For away version i'd probably still use the above since your a good team and most will defend against you. If you see them pushing there defensive line up (so more like half way line than edge of there box) then from the attacking version:
- Lower mentality a click or two.
- Lower your D-line and pressing levels a click or two.
- Tick Counter Attack.
- Maybe lower tempo by a couple of clicks.

That way because they are attacking a bit more your a little more defensive. you don't want to press as hard as its not as garenteed you'll just get the ball when they try to clear it and there's less space behind your D-line for counter attacking through balls.

The lower tempo is to keep possession more for the same reason as above, they are looking to attack occationally rather than just defend so don't play to quick as you might not get it straight back. You also have more space to play into so don't have to play so quickly to create the space. The Counter Attack option will still allow your players to attack the space when the situation is right.

(unless TheBetterHalf says something different)

 

[TheHig]

im tempted to start a side project with liverpool, bu dont want to loose focus on basingstoke.
Liverpool have an average sqaud but so many you can sell.
Granted the team wont hit from till janaury as all the plyers willl be gelling.

 

[ajdedinamo]

I quickly made a tactic yesterday for a Liverpool team, I only gave it limited testing but basically shows the theory Liverpool use under Benitez: http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=97372&postcount=22
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This tactic looks like a good home tactic. I have beaten Barcelona on a pre season friendly 1-0 and have smashed other oponents. So it fair to say that its good for home games and when playing against the weaker teams. But I have had a harsh start to the season. (new game btw).

I was beat 2-0 against bolton in the 1st round of the EPL and then barley won against Middlesbrough 2-1.

Against Bolton I hardley had any possesion, and when I did it was all to waste.

But these two matches were both away matches. So I need to play my next home match to conferm that its a good home tactic.

 

[Preston85]

im tempted to start a side project with liverpool, bu dont want to loose focus on basingstoke.
Liverpool have an average sqaud but so many you can sell.
Granted the team wont hit from till janaury as all the plyers willl be gelling.

I'd say they're a lot better than average, most would get into my Boro team. You are right about pleanty to sell though, most of the players are very similar in Age, Position, Ability and have reached there Potential. Hence pick the players that fit your tactic and sell the others and bring in young backups/upgrades that fit your tactic.

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This tactic looks like a good home tactic. I have beaten Barcelona on a pre season friendly 1-0 and have smashed other oponents. So it fair to say that its good for home games and when playing against the weaker teams. But I have had a harsh start to the season. (new game btw).

I was beat 2-0 against bolton in the 1st round of the EPL and then barley won against Middlesbrough 2-1.

Against Bolton I hardley had any possesion, and when I did it was all to waste.

But these two matches were both away matches. So I need to play my next home match to conferm that its a good home tactic.

Well its just a standard mentality formation i'd start games with, then when I see how the opponent is playing I would switch to the appropriate version. It's not as simple as "i'll play this at home, and that away", you have to look at how the opponent is playing.

Against a defensive Bolton you want to keep the ball, use Hold Up Ball on FBs and DMC to try and draw them up the field. Free Roles for AML, ST and AMR to get them trying to find space (take FR/HUB off Gerrard) You want to play wider and Mixed/Down the Flanks passing to try and create space in the middle. Make sure Counter Attack is off as there isn't really any space to counter attack into.