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For those of you who haven't read this from the beginning, this is the final section of a three part guide on training and choosing your youngsters (which is personally my favourite aspect of the game).
Part 1 covers some definitions on wonderkids and how to use/ when to listen to your scouts, and can be found here.
Part 2 goes over some of the basics with attributes, before going into a bit more detail and then onto PPMS, and can be found here.
This part will mainly discuss training, although there will be a brief introduction on loan moves and tutoring.
Now then, before I can go any further, and as Raikan
@) was keen to point out in part 1, a lot of what I am about to discuss is covered in his thread. Once again, it's a very good, informative read and has helped me a lot in the past.
I will more or less recommend all the steps given in that thread, however, if there is one criticism I can make, I wouldn't be as rigid with the steps.
Mccollio's suggestion: First off, I agree with the statement "if they're good enough, they're old enough". If suddenly, in your academy, you find a 16 year old who is on a par with your best left back/ midfielder whoever, play him, assuming you are a premiership team, he is much better off getting first team footy and training with you than loaning him out or waiting in the youth team.
If there is the option to tutor your youngster, do it. Despite youngsters stating they have learnt next to nothing, I've yet to experience (on the eye) a player decrease his stats via tutoring. Yes, sometimes it will work out much better than others, but basically, I'm saying there is hardly (if any) a negative affect, so you might as well try it.
Loan moves are an area covered very well in the article linked above, all I will say is that first team football is vital. As such, hesitate before automatically sending your player out on loan to your affiliate. Are you sure they will get a game regularly? Who are they in competition with for a place in the team? Does the club you are loaning out to have lots of different options for the same position? Does the team you are considering loaning to play a formation able to incorporate your player?
Now that you've thought about these questions, I'll also share with you some of my mistakes on the loan front, in hope that others can learn from them. NEVER send a player with potential out on loan without the possibility of recalling them.
1: The player got injured long term (so what right? Sh*t happens?), if I could have recalled him, my superior physios could have got him back on his feet up to two months earlier than the loaning club could
2: The backstabbers went and signed a better player JUST before the transfer window ended and AFTER I'd already made the non-returnable loan of my player. As a consequence, a player I was hoping would get 30+ appearances only got 12 from the bench.
These problems could have been solved if I had have just negotiated and ticked the box for can be recalled from loan (I've never seen the AI turn that down or even negotiate it back)
Finally, try and get your player to advance to better divisions per loanee signing, it can make the world of difference, I refer you back to Metz and his career path:
Part 1 covers some definitions on wonderkids and how to use/ when to listen to your scouts, and can be found here.
Part 2 goes over some of the basics with attributes, before going into a bit more detail and then onto PPMS, and can be found here.
This part will mainly discuss training, although there will be a brief introduction on loan moves and tutoring.
Now then, before I can go any further, and as Raikan
@) was keen to point out in part 1, a lot of what I am about to discuss is covered in his thread. Once again, it's a very good, informative read and has helped me a lot in the past. I will more or less recommend all the steps given in that thread, however, if there is one criticism I can make, I wouldn't be as rigid with the steps.
Mccollio's suggestion: First off, I agree with the statement "if they're good enough, they're old enough". If suddenly, in your academy, you find a 16 year old who is on a par with your best left back/ midfielder whoever, play him, assuming you are a premiership team, he is much better off getting first team footy and training with you than loaning him out or waiting in the youth team.
If there is the option to tutor your youngster, do it. Despite youngsters stating they have learnt next to nothing, I've yet to experience (on the eye) a player decrease his stats via tutoring. Yes, sometimes it will work out much better than others, but basically, I'm saying there is hardly (if any) a negative affect, so you might as well try it.
Loan moves are an area covered very well in the article linked above, all I will say is that first team football is vital. As such, hesitate before automatically sending your player out on loan to your affiliate. Are you sure they will get a game regularly? Who are they in competition with for a place in the team? Does the club you are loaning out to have lots of different options for the same position? Does the team you are considering loaning to play a formation able to incorporate your player?
Now that you've thought about these questions, I'll also share with you some of my mistakes on the loan front, in hope that others can learn from them. NEVER send a player with potential out on loan without the possibility of recalling them.
- Why? The team sent me a message saying he would become a valuable member of their first team, that's what I need right?
1: The player got injured long term (so what right? Sh*t happens?), if I could have recalled him, my superior physios could have got him back on his feet up to two months earlier than the loaning club could
2: The backstabbers went and signed a better player JUST before the transfer window ended and AFTER I'd already made the non-returnable loan of my player. As a consequence, a player I was hoping would get 30+ appearances only got 12 from the bench.
These problems could have been solved if I had have just negotiated and ticked the box for can be recalled from loan (I've never seen the AI turn that down or even negotiate it back)
Finally, try and get your player to advance to better divisions per loanee signing, it can make the world of difference, I refer you back to Metz and his career path:
First of all I put him on specialised training, got him tutored by David Hoilett (similar player) and gave him a few first team appearances in the cups and easy league games. Next I sent him off on loan, seeing he wasn't getting a game at boro, I waited 6 league games before recalling him and ensuring he still got a full seasons worth of championship football in total. Next a couple of top divisions of first team football were in order abroad before making a cool 20.6 million profit on him - was just making his way into my first team at the time.
When to never, ever loan a youngster:
This kid was one of my biggest disappointments because in my eyes, he had sooo much potential (my coach told me not to bother renewing his contract as he would never be a decent defensive midfielder). I ignored my coach on this one because, you decide, I felt you he wasn't a defensive midfielder, I felt he was a right winger, and trained him as such:
This kid was one of my biggest disappointments because in my eyes, he had sooo much potential (my coach told me not to bother renewing his contract as he would never be a decent defensive midfielder). I ignored my coach on this one because, you decide, I felt you he wasn't a defensive midfielder, I felt he was a right winger, and trained him as such:
All I had to do was improve his dribbling a bit and his decision making and he was there, already accomplished as a right winger and ready for the first team. Then a loan offer for first team football comes in. Sure enough, he gets it, no problem 30+ league games.... Except he has completely unlearned becoming a right winger, which took two seasons. I cut my losses and sold for 300k, never again will I loan a player out who never knew a position to begin with.
Right then, onto training, and for this, I'd like to reference two threads - which again, have been a lot of help, Hellroker's coach list and Mantralux's training masterclass (this one I virtually swear by).
The basics: Buy the best coaches on Hellroker's list and read which training category coaches what on the training masterclass thread and you're already halfway to making a bunch of awesome wonderkids. Then, combine that with this little snippet of info: courteousy of los wonderkids (caution, could be considered a spoiler, reveals exactly how the training system works).
Now then, with that all in mind, lets take a subjective look at a player I've just picked out at random: Eli Dasa.
I'm sure you would agree, nothing special right? Not the worst either but he does have a lot of faults... And as seen in part two some decent pluses (Determination 18, Work rate 13, Natural fitness 16)
Now then, according to his position, he's best at right back, so that's what we will train him for.
Lets get the grid out, what are the main attributes he needs to be a right back:
acceleration, stamina, anticipation, concentration, positioning, teamwork, work rate, crossing, marking, tackling.
acceleration, stamina, anticipation, concentration, positioning, teamwork, work rate, crossing, marking, tackling.
First off, lets analyse the weakest major attribute he has: Acceleration 13, stamina 14, anticipation 14, concentration 12, positioning 15, teamwork 12, work rate 13, crossing 11, marking 9, tackling 11.
First thing you want to do is set his individual focus on marking, seeing as how this is the biggest problem.
The next step to look at is where his major attributes fall under for improvement in the training sliders (again look back at Mantralux's training masterclass):
Stamina and work rate are classed under strength, acceleration is classed under aerobic.
Anticipation, positioning and teamwork are classed under tactics.
Concentration, marking and tackling are classed under defensive training.
Crossing is classed under attacking training.
So then, we can safely make the assumption that shooting training has little benefit to a right back, yet a lot of the other categories are fairly important. It should go without saying that we don't particularly want Dasa to get any worse at any attribute, and according to the source from Los Wonderkids, that means making sure all the sliders are at least on 8 clicks.
Now it gets subjective, but this would be my take on Eli Dasa's training (once turned 18, N.B usually for u-18s I just bump up youth schedules to the notch below heavy)
13 clicks strength, aerobic, tactics,
18 clicks defending
13 clicks attacking
8 clicks shooting.
18 clicks defending
13 clicks attacking
8 clicks shooting.
What does this mean?
Reading through Los Wonderkids analysis, this will mean that Dasa would improve on all categories except shooting, which he will maintain at the same level. Defending will improve much quicker than the rest due to the higher numbers of clicks. Marking should rapidly imrpove, Dasa's weakest area, as not only as he having specialised training, he is also mainly focused on defence, which also covers this. You'll notice that overall training just hits on heavy. Dasa, despite being young, should be able to cope with this due to his 16 natural fitness level.
That's it folks, the only thing which I'm left to do is give you an update in a few weeks time on Dasa to show you how it went for him, hope you enjoyed reading,
Mccollio09