Clean sheets, fees, wages- time to give up on FM series?

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Can't keep clean sheets, ridiculous transfer fees, stupid wage requests....

Since FM11 each year seems like I'm enjoying the game less and less, is it time to give up on the FM series after playing since CM2?
 
earl83 said:
Can't keep clean sheets, ridiculous transfer fees, stupid wage requests....

Since FM11 each year seems like I'm enjoying the game less and less, is it time to give up on the FM series after playing since CM2?
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I've actually found this game to be the total opposite, unless of course you're bidding for a teams top star, or top youth talent, tranfers fees seem to be more accurate than ever. Wages aren't an issue either.
 
FootballManagerG0D said:
I've actually found this game to be the total opposite, unless of course you're bidding for a teams top star, or top youth talent, transfers fees seem to be more accurate than ever. Wages aren't an issue either.
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I was bidding for a 3.5/4 * rated player valued at 800k and they wanted over 30m! I have also found that AI bids are accepted for up to 25% less than what you have to bid for a player.

Wage wise I've had players on <20k p/w demanding over 90k with stupid additional bonuses etc.
 
I would not go as far as saying GIVING UP ON THE SERIES but i do agree with you that since FM 11 the game has not been realistic from a financial perspective. I expect the financial part of the game to be basic & the major challenge being match-days. Each year it gets worse because SI keeps adding clauses to contracts, youth players demanding very high wages, transfer fees that are way out of order for the type of player your buying & agent fees you just cannot pay. The problem is the game is not balanced at all. Why would i buy a youth player or regen at a record fee while he is far from his peak, uncapped, not even a starter at his current club & has not won anything?

SI have to sort out the wage & transfer multiplier effect as it ruins the game so much & will push other players away from the series. What i also noticed is how AI always gets that it wants cheap. I did an experiment with FM 11-14 with an editor. I raised my wage budget from the normal 2mil to 5mil. The results very sad, players in your team all want new contracts demanding better wages. The very same players i wanted to buy before now demand 3-4 times more in wages. Put simple the game is very scripted & attempts to make sure it gets everything out of your budgets.

I do not think this is the best way to go about it. SI should give us a better & more realistic challenge regarding this issue. Its become a major problem in the series over the last few years & its like SI are out of ideas. Some will enjoy it as it is but i do not get any sort of enjoyment when im clearly put at a disadvantage compared to AI
 
I don't understand what peoples problems are with transfers. If a player is too expensive, look elsewhere. Find players in their last year of contract if you can, as this is where you can buy a good player at an affordable price because the AI managers want to avoid loss of money if possible, although if the player is already on the wage you would also offer, be prepared to keep looking elsewhere. With a database of players running into tens of thousands, surely you can't be struggling that much to find affordable players.

As for contract negotiations for your own players, don't be afraid to walk away from them from time to time, then try again later. This is can knock off around 10k p/w in base wage and add ons if you're good, which can be small for a big club, but it adds up if you do it throughout the team. (This is if the player is demanding around 80k p/w originally).
 
HarrisBoy said:
I don't understand what peoples problems are with transfers. If a player is too expensive, look elsewhere. Find players in their last year of contract if you can, as this is where you can buy a good player at an affordable price because the AI managers want to avoid loss of money if possible, although if the player is already on the wage you would also offer, be prepared to keep looking elsewhere. With a database of players running into tens of thousands, surely you can't be struggling that much to find affordable players.

As for contract negotiations for your own players, don't be afraid to walk away from them from time to time, then try again later. This is can knock off around 10k p/w in base wage and add ons if you're good, which can be small for a big club, but it adds up if you do it throughout the team. (This is if the player is demanding around 80k p/w originally).
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I do not understand why so many of you have to assume just because we mention a problem the game has that we struggling. You cannot seriously tell me transfers, wages & other fees are realistic. Of course i do not accept those stupid fees or agree to renew contracts of players demanding way more than they should. You have come across crazy fees yourself & yet you do not want to admit this should be solved. Yes there are other players to buy & all that. My point here is the HUMAN USER is always put at a huge disadvantage & the lack of balance. The issues i mentioned are not day to day crisis situations you see in the world. But in FM they appear way too often to be realistic
 
I don't mean to imply anyone is struggling, but my experience is different to anyone else it seems. In my saves, I'm the one who has teams battling to put in a good enough transfer fee. I honestly don't see problems with transfers, if anything they're too easy, finding players with 4* potential for free transfers. If a team places a price tag too big for me, there's always a way I can justify that, eg club finance, contract length, original price they paid for him, cover for his position, rival team, domestic player etc. Also I generally sign youngsters (22 on average) so they've never been spoilt by a huge contract before to make them demand too much. It's easy to say the human manager has a handicap, but what do other AI managers do when wanting players? I see teams all the time actually overpaying for players very often which is pretty realistic to me.
 
Wish I could get my money back. I find the ME awful for so many reasons. Many have been listed.

The biggest problem I have is that teams in real life generally perform according to quality of players. Tactics and training only add a very small amount.

The worst part of the game and has been for ever is the Assistant Manager is still shockingly USELESS no matter his attributes!
 
I tried to buy a left back for my B team, never gonna play for me but they were short.

Value 72k.
Fee wanted? 4.3million with 500k over 12 months and 625k upon promotion and to arrange a friendly.
 
I've got my eye on on 2 young GKs, 16 and 17 year old regens at the start of season 3.

Value - 71k and 8.5k
Transfer fees wanted - 26m and 36m. Utterly ridiculous.

Paid 7.5m + add ons for one 18 year old valued at 160k as well.

And as for wages, Real are just so unrealistic. Ronaldo signed a deal in season 2 for 575k pw and Messi is at 375k
 
Scott Brown, easily a top 2 player for Celtic, and their highest earner, Asked for a renewed contract, in his prime 30, and Asked for 5k less than what he was currently making, and with smaller bonuses and fees than he was getting. I haven't over spent on one player yet in this game, at least in my view. I just brought in about 10 players all for low fees, despite my transfer budget being inflated at 40 million (sold 70% of the first team at huge profits). It's all about how you do business.
 
I've not got past the pre-season of the 2nd season because I'm finding that the money situation is farcical and unrealistic, that and the sole signing I make in the offseason drops my tactical familiarity by half, that and half the team leaves because they want a 400% pay raises that I can't afford.

SI will have to pull a big fat rabbit out of the hat with their patches to get me to ever buy a future edition of the game.
 
I have no issues with transfers or wages at all.
Yes there are certain players who demand massive fees to leave their club but that's realistic and happens all the time. Clubs don't like to sell and most of the time they have no reason to, those counter offers you get are usually 30-40% more than what they'd be close to accepting anyway.
If you're paying too much for players then that's your problem, either look for other options or find ways of getting the player you want cheaper.

Same applies to wages, most players usually want an increase in wages if your team is doing mildly decent. Bonuses and addons are usually more than enough to bring down the weekly demands and if it's still too much for you then just walk away.
I've had three maybe four players that I've had to get rid of because I wasn't happy paying what they wanted, all of which were easily replaced.


My west brom save I've spent less than 20mil total in four seasons and I have a team that challenges for the league.
 
But should a team have to recycle their entire lineup every two seasons in order to make the money work? I usually operate in the lower leagues, and you can put teams together without spending on transfers, but the wages are lunacy. Why would Montrose or Accrington Stanley pay 3k a week for a striker who might get fifteen goals? That's what they're asking for. There's also the fact no-one will sign a contract longer than two years, and added to the increase they ask for each time, you end up having to recycle your team. I can't get into the game as I feel I have little control. I'm really not enjoying it.
 
there is a simple thing to stop being ripped off on transfer fees, and wages, its the lock feature, u set it at what ur happy to spend, if the club dont want to sell for that price u find other ways to get the player (there are ways) or look else where.

as for signing players new or contract renewals i lock at 10% a year pay rise as a maximum normally try 5% and as for contract add ons, i only agree to them if i think it can bring the best out of a player or if the add on will actually come true.

e.g i had Sebastian Coates ask for 150k for 10 goals a season add on when renewing his contract, response lock n delete (if lock then delete it stops it being asked for again), he signed the contract.

Tip: Play hard ball n get the deals u want n best for club
Only sign players that are good enough for where u are and can grow with the club in next 4 or 5 years, aim to lo and players will be after the wages incase they dont make it at ur club n u sell them on after 18 months - 2 yrs. aim to high and the players will be after the wages they would be on at current club in next couple of yrs.
Show ambition but dont show ur whole hand of cards, cause it will bite, n even long after uve left the club
 
There lots of small things that can be done to decrease players wages, like there is A LOT of good German players, this is just an example, offer German's less than what they are asking for, but offer them HUGE international appearance fees, they will never get any of that money, but they will sign smaller wages. It works in a lot of ways, offer your CB, a 10 goal season bonus of a lot, generally they won't hit it, but if they do then **** they deserve it. Also, Yearly Wage Rise, don't let that happen, if you can pay a player an extra 2k from year one, but have them on a contract that is 5 years without yearly rise, then you're saving money.
 
The transfer fees are hilarious. I scout a 4 star Nigerian CM on a free, but he had already signed with Angers in Ligue 2 so I have to wait for him to transfer.

He's 18 years old, I offer them 10m, they decide 47m with incentives up to 69 million is more appropriate. It's just not even close to realistic. I haggled them down to 42m for an unproven 18 year old Nigerian kid who has played all of 7 games in the french second division.

Like in what universe is FM14 supposed to be taking place.

Wages I can't complain about, players/agents are much more demanding than 13 which I found was too easy to keep wages down. But as your club stature grows you can still really bully them and boss them into staying on unfair contracts way too easily. It's just that transition period from good CL sized club to world renown club where wages are hard to manage in my opinion.
 
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