Dortmund - What is wrong with my tactic ?

[Bratone]

Hello everybody and thanks for reading this.I'm currently playing at Borussia Dortmund, I'm in my second season, won the league in first.My team is playing some nice football but the problem is that I concede way to many goals, and my opponents have way to many CCC per game.Against the bigger teams I get absolutely destroyed, as the results prove.

Juventus squashed me with 6-1 last season in the second leg of the UCL last 16 after I won at home 2-1.
Bayern won 5-3 against me this season after last season I won all the games against them.
Real Madrid won both of the games against me this season in the UCL group stages, 3-2 and 3-0 at the Bernabeu.
Manchester United beat me with 2-0 last saeson in the UCL group stages but I managed a lucky 2-1 win at OT.

So I think the problem is not only that I concede too many goals against the bigger teams, but I don't have any answer offensively for them also.

Last season I conceded 39 goals in the league which is way too much if you ask me, and this season I already conceded 17 after only 16 games.

Here is my tactic:

Hello everybody and thanks for reading this.I'm currently playing at Borussia Dortmund, I'm in my second season, won the league in first.My team is playing some nice football but the problem is that I concede way to many goals, and my opponents have way to many CCC per game.Against the bigger teams I get absolutely destroyed, as the results prove.

Juventus squashed me with 6-1 last season in the second leg of the UCL last 16 after I won at home 2-1.
Bayern won 5-3 against me this season after last season I won all the games against them.
Real Madrid won both of the games against me this season in the UCL group stages, 3-2 and 3-0 at the Bernabeu.
Manchester United beat me with 2-0 last saeson in the UCL group stages but I managed a lucky 2-1 win at OT.

So I think the problem is not only that I concede too many goals against the bigger teams, but I don't have any answer offensively for them also.

Last season I conceded 39 goals in the league which is way too much if you ask me, and this season I already conceded 17 after only 16 games.

Here is my tactic:




And a gallery with my players instructions:

Players - Imgur

Any suggestions please ??? My attacking game is working very well also, I either win by a big margin, either struggle for a draw.

Thanks.

 

[iota4u]

too many attackers, put the cwb on support roles, make one of the IF's support role or winger - support and make the striker a f9 or make that AMC a trequartista.

 

[fm1063]

For away games switch to counter and change the complete wing backs to wing backs automatic and change one if not both of your inside forwards to support

I play a similar tactic and i realise that my complete wing backs always seem to be out of position in away games, i changed them to wing backs automatic (only for away games) and they seem to be back in position and get forward at the right times as well.
As for the inside forwards, if you feel that your opponent has strong wide players then maybe change them back to support. If this happens you start not scoring so much away then change your CAM to attack
Hope this helps

 

[Alienman]

If you are conceding from a lot of thru balls set one of your CMs to defend to provide better cover for your defensive line.

 

[spitfire]

If they are scoring from balls played over the top of your CBs (for their strikers to run into) change one of their roles to "cover" - he'll sit slightly behind the other defender and look to chop off those balls coming overhead (or through). If he has high pace and acceleration (and positioning) all the better

 

[Bratone]

too many attackers, put the cwb on support roles, make one of the IF's support role or winger - support and make the striker a f9 or make that AMC a trequartista.

I can?t put the cwb on support because they only have attack but I swithced my striker to a F9, I hope we will score more from now.

For away games switch to counter and change the complete wing backs to wing backs automatic and change one if not both of your inside forwards to support

I play a similar tactic and i realise that my complete wing backs always seem to be out of position in away games, i changed them to wing backs automatic (only for away games) and they seem to be back in position and get forward at the right times as well.
As for the inside forwards, if you feel that your opponent has strong wide players then maybe change them back to support. If this happens you start not scoring so much away then change your CAM to attack
Hope this helps

I?ll try this, I noticed that my team plays bad in away games.Thanks, I hope this will help.

If you are conceding from a lot of thru balls set one of your CMs to defend to provide better cover for your defensive line.

I?ll set my BWM to defend and see what happens, thanks.

If they are scoring from balls played over the top of your CBs (for their strikers to run into) change one of their roles to "cover" - he'll sit slightly behind the other defender and look to chop off those balls coming overhead (or through). If he has high pace and acceleration (and positioning) all the better

I will use my CD with a Cover role from now on, thanks.

If anyone has any other suggestions feel free to post here.

 

[Mauzeer]

What's wrong with your tactics:
1. totally wrong fluidity, you have way too many players with 'specialist' roles. Rigid or even very rigid fluidity is more appropriate if you want to stick with this player roles. Excellent read : http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/football-manager-2014-tactics/150566-12-steps-successful-career.html
2. can be found in previous read as well. you have too much field space left uncovered. Make 'unbalanced' lines with at least one attacking, one support and one defending player duty. that way you cover 'channels' all over football pitch. Strong teams destroy you trough this 'DM line' space totally uncovered.
3. small tactical tweak : high or even very high def line is must if you want to play this attacking formation with offside trap. that way you shrink space for opponent AM to operate.

try GK (D), Left WB (S), CD(D), CD(D), right CWB (a) , left mid DLP (S) , right mid BWM (D), left IF (a) , AP (S) , right IF (S), Lewa CF (A/S)

mentality : attacking - fluidity : rigid

 

[Muirinho]

Seems like you're being stubborn about your tactics, try out different formations, rotate players round, switch roles. One tactic wont get you through a full season (successfully) especially when playing in europe.

 

[minhajkh95]

Playing offside trap against the big team is very risky. It allows your defenders to push up leaving much more space at the back. Try taking that shout off

 

[minhajkh95]

Also your RB and LB instead of leaving that as attacking, try leaving their roles as supporting because they play with a more attacking mind

 

[Bratone]

I'll try all these advices, I hope I can get some good results from now on, especially in Europe, thanks.

 

[bluebird123]

Fluid, attacking, 4-2-3-1 with a BWM are your problems.

Lewandoski should be an AF because he is getting in the way of Kovacic who is also in the way of Hofman and Reus because they are both cutting into the space that Lewandoski and Kovacic are looking to operate in.

BWM is useless unless you're playing a 4-3-3 or in a formation with 3 or more CM. He runs around leaving your DLP on his own. If you and I were playing against each-other, I'd simply exploit your middle because no-one is shielding your defence. Switch him to a CM-D or, ****, drop both CM's back to DM's(One a DM support the other a DLP defend) . You have direct passing already on so you won't suffer from gaps in midfield and attack.

Your shouts are a little OTT. Hassle opponents and a higher tempo? Your players must be dead by 60 minutes. I'm not sure which ones are working but you should remove quite a few of them because you don't need that many.

As someone else as stated, you are playing with fluid which is confusing with the roles you've picked, on top of that you are playing attacking. Drop it to control and rigid so you have players doing what they are meant to be doing and you being able to have steady possession without everyone running around like headless chickens.

The common thing I see with 4-2-3-1 is the BWM and DLP combo, it doesn't work, it is unbalanced. No team plays a 4-2-3-1 with CM's IRL anyway so I'm am shocked to see SI continue to implement it.

Another thing to add, when picking your roles (attacking especially) is to vision where the players will be on the pitch. I refer to my earlier point, two IF-A with an AP-S along with a DLF-A will see all of your players bunched up in the middle passing it to no-one but the opposition.

Happy to help

 

[Bratone]

Fluid, attacking, 4-2-3-1 with a BWM are your problems.

Lewandoski should be an AF because he is getting in the way of Kovacic who is also in the way of Hofman and Reus because they are both cutting into the space that Lewandoski and Kovacic are looking to operate in.

BWM is useless unless you're playing a 4-3-3 or in a formation with 3 or more CM. He runs around leaving your DLP on his own. If you and I were playing against each-other, I'd simply exploit your middle because no-one is shielding your defence. Switch him to a CM-D or, ****, drop both CM's back to DM's(One a DM support the other a DLP defend) . You have direct passing already on so you won't suffer from gaps in midfield and attack.

Your shouts are a little OTT. Hassle opponents and a higher tempo? Your players must be dead by 60 minutes. I'm not sure which ones are working but you should remove quite a few of them because you don't need that many.

As someone else as stated, you are playing with fluid which is confusing with the roles you've picked, on top of that you are playing attacking. Drop it to control and rigid so you have players doing what they are meant to be doing and you being able to have steady possession without everyone running around like headless chickens.

The common thing I see with 4-2-3-1 is the BWM and DLP combo, it doesn't work, it is unbalanced. No team plays a 4-2-3-1 with CM's IRL anyway so I'm am shocked to see SI continue to implement it.

Another thing to add, when picking your roles (attacking especially) is to vision where the players will be on the pitch. I refer to my earlier point, two IF-A with an AP-S along with a DLF-A will see all of your players bunched up in the middle passing it to no-one but the opposition.

Happy to help

Wow, thanks for your contribution, I didn't know I had so many gaps in my tactic.I hope it's not too late in the season to change something.