Great player - **** stats

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ok, so the basic idea of this post is to find someone who can explain the fundamentals of how the games works to me....
You must all find this, a player has **** stats, but the coaches say he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. My case in hand being Alex O-Chainberlain.... Great player in real life, but his stats start **** and mysteriously end up ****...
I ended up downloading Genie Scout to find his Current Ability is 169, but his ultimate stats were still poor. what goes on that isn't obvious, to make a player with what apear to be average stats go on to be a good player?!

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CY
 
He has had only had a couple months of great premier league action, the rest was spent in the reserves. He is a great talent but he needs to do it a little longer before SI makes him a god like player and hey if its really bothering you, just download FMRTE and edit his stats.

Play the game the way you want :D
 
Yeah, they're not that good at rating players at SI. I mean, Fletcher 18 passing (or something..) and Song only 13. That's just a joke.
 
Yago69 said:
Yeah, they're not that good at rating players at SI. I mean, Fletcher 18 passing (or something..) and Song only 13. That's just a joke.
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Thats a little unfair. I do agree 100% that Song passes better then 13 and Fletcher a little worse but I feel that for the most part they hit the nail on the head (They cannot factor in all our opinions on players as they have there own people doing the scouting). There is nothing wrong with Chamberlain's rating, for now it makes sense he could for instance be a flash in the pan and may not ever reach that level of performance again (I doubt it, but anything is possible). I expect him to get the boost he deserves in the next version of Football Manager :)
 
Ok, let me re-word slightly.... I've ad a look thru a few players with Genie Scout. How is it, I can find a lot of players in the 170-180 potential ability range, whos ultimate stats are so poor?? I could understand it if they had almost every rating 15+, but these guys often struggle to get much above a 13, and only a few of those....
 
he means why do some really high rated players(by scouts) have poor stats? i've had it before..it's odd...they have rubbish stats yet 4* rating and still perform i don't get it either
 
I really don't have a good answer, but I find that good 'determination' an 'work rate' stats often make up for all other lesser stats.
 
The answer is in the wording guys. Current ability is well.. The current ability of players. Potential ability... not to sound too patronising... is the potential ability of players. Your scouts give out their report ratings the vast majority of the time based on how good a player can become.

As for answering why a 4 star rated player has a lot of potential ability but then they're ultimate stats 4 seasons down the line turn out to be ****... well to me it seems pretty obvious, they haven't fulfilled their potential like so many hundreds of players around the world.

I'll give you one example that comes to mind at present - Dani Pacheco, two/ three seasons ago the kid really looked like he could go on to be Messi, great touches, clever intelligent movement etc. He never has been able to break into the Liverpool team and has instead gone on some useless loan spells where he now isn't performing either. See Francis Jeffers referenced under starlets who go on to do nothing in their careers...
 
If you want an example of a player with unbelievably poor stats but puts in amazing performances, have a look at Obertan. Constantly gets 8.0+ ratings playing on the wing for me.
 
I checked Obertan - his maximum ability makes him a 160, Oxlade-Chainberlin is a 169. Even if both players fulfilled their potential, their technical and mental attributes are really poor. Perhaps they both simply get by, by being great athletes as they're both 17+ for pace and acceleration.
I then went and checked other players who also have the same potential ability to find they include Mamadou Sakho, Luc Castignos and Kyriakos Papadopolous. Those 3 guys all have 19s and 20s all over the place. How can there be such a big descrepancy between 2 sets of players of supposedly almost identical ability??
 
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I then went and checked other players who also have the same potential ability to find they include Mamadou Sakho, Luc Castignos and Kyriakos Papadopolous. Those 3 guys all have 19s and 20s all over the place. How can there be such a big descrepancy between 2 sets of players of supposedly almost identical ability??
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And what is the current ability of each?
 
I just checked the 'show potential attribute' box so they were all basically at their optimum rating of 160-170 and fully developed for all 5 of the previously mentioned players.
 
Chris Y said:
I checked Obertan - his maximum ability makes him a 160, Oxlade-Chainberlin is a 169. Even if both players fulfilled their potential, their technical and mental attributes are really poor. Perhaps they both simply get by, by being great athletes as they're both 17+ for pace and acceleration.
I then went and checked other players who also have the same potential ability to find they include Mamadou Sakho, Luc Castignos and Kyriakos Papadopolous. Those 3 guys all have 19s and 20s all over the place. How can there be such a big descrepancy between 2 sets of players of supposedly almost identical ability??
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I'#m pretty sure that all three of the other players have had a lot more first team football, and possibly eveen some international appearances (Papadopolous???) As such, they are rated higher because they have demonstrated their abilities consistantly at a high level, rather than doing so for a few months (which can sometimes be put down to form).

An example as to why they do things like this is......think back to Macheda a few seasons ago...He scored some vital goals at vital times.....and now he looks like he won't make it at old trafford.

Hope this helps mate....and whilst I get how you feel (same sorta situation with Tom Cleverley) I understand and like that they do it the way they do it :)

Cheers :)
 
Ok. i think I know why you're confused. physical stats "cost" more than others ... think of it as saying that a 160 ability player has 160 "points" to spend on stats ... "corner 20" costs 10 point while "pace 20" costs 30,40 or 50 points ... corner, freekick, thrown-in and penalty costs the least I believe ... some mental stats also cost less than others ...

for example, if you found a player with 20 on ALL physical attributes he would invariably have poor mental e technical stats
 
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