Help - Crewe: Tika Taka/Possession

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Hello,

I'm new to the forums and haven't made an introduce yourself thread just yet due to this being a massive priority in making my game that little bit more enjoyable.

Some of you may be thinking that Crewe can't play Tika Taka football which is most famous for by FC Barcelona. Well I'm going to prove that wrong and go out with an aim to play that style of football and try to get in winning ways. I have a few reasons for this, not many teams in England play that style of football and playing it will mean I could have the advantage against opposition who will not be use to this. As well as that, it's also going to be more enjoyable to watch and bring in players from around the globe to fit into the style of football that I want to play. As I'm in league 1 it will be great to experiment with the team at an early stage instead of rushing for title promotion straight away it will be a lot harder playing a new style.

I would like some help and advice on what different roles and actions to take place as I want this style to work to the best of it's ability, I know it's going to be extremely hard with such a low budget and the players not being amazing. But it can work if I pick the right players from the right pond which can fit in to the style, obviously a few alterations in the players being played will be taking into account as well as the opposition.

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I have attached an image of the formation which I feel will be the most beneficial. I think playing a 4-3-3 but with an outlook of a 4-1-2-2-1 It allows smaller gaps between the three thirds of the pitch and the two wingers can break into a 5 man midfield or counter for a 4 man attack. I've thought about this formation a lot and have a few ideas but I'm not the best at putting ideas into the actual game without it all messing up, so I'm asking for some advice on if this is the best outlook for the team and individually.

What I need help with?
Is this the right formation?
Is this the right player roles?
How can I get them to play as a team?
How can progression be enabled to get the results?
What sort of signings would be recommended?
What alterations/adjustments can be made?
Where do I go from here (Individual responsibilities)?
Training?
Individual Training?

Thanks very much for the help, I look forward to getting this tactic under way and making people aware of this.
 
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This is the stats from the game against the under 21's. A few issues with the formation, The passing accuracy wasn't amazing. As well as that the right back was the best player attacking and defensively, amounting to two assists and over 80% pass accuracy which is great for the standard. Wasn't to happy defensively, players seemed to allow the players to go through and didn't want to put a foot in at any moment. But on the creative side, we made three goals. 1 was a scrappy goals, another was an excellent couple of passes for the goal as the other was the man of the match winner which was the right back who made the game count and passed a neat ball to the right wing, who slotted it in.

Really need some help, please.
 
I've experimented too with the Tika Taka Barcelona 1,000,000 passes a game style - I started with setting the GK's player instruction to "pass shorter" & "distribute to defenders".


At the moment I'm experimenting with having both the wingers & fullbacks to "stay wider" & putting every players instruction to "pass shorter". The 2 center defenders I also have "take less risks" along with the passing shorter.


I've played 1 game where I won 3-0. So very much work in progress.
 
Here are a few pointers for you. Normally I hate the usual Barca/Tika Taka threads on here as I don't understand why people are so obsessed about playing the "Barca" way. Having said that I have watched Barca a few times this season and they seem to play more exciting football. Anyway back to helping you. Normally I don't create possession based tactics but I seem to have created one. Previously I have posted tactics and pictures on here but I am using my mrs notepad with the new windows on and I have no idea how to do it.

Use a Rigid & Control philosophy
Change your DM to a Half back or a Regista
Have 2 DLP's in your midfield or a DLP and Box to Box midfielder. The advance playmaker offers very little in that position
Your best wide player set as the wide target man(one of the great new positions on the game) and the other as an inside forward.
Don't waste your time with the new F9 position or even the Trequatista and set him as a DLF. F9 and Trequatista are better suited with a Shadow striker behind them.
Team instructions to include retain possession, shorter passing, work ball into box, drill crosses, play wider, look for overlap, stick to positions, hassle opponents, get stuck in and lower tempo. I started a Millwall save and recently played a game in the Championship and finished the match with 76% possession with a completion rate of 90%.
Hope some of that helps
 
Everyone wants to play like Barca because its a winning formula. And the goal is to win. Right?
 
What I mean is some people on here are more obsessed about getting 70% possession and a midfielder with a pass completion rate of 90% than anything else. My personal preference is to watch fast and direct free flowing attacking football. Liverpool in the 80's, Manchester United in the 90's and 00's along with Arsenal. Last season Munich and Dortmund produced some fantastic football. That is just my own personal preference.
 
united762000 said:
Here are a few pointers for you. Normally I hate the usual Barca/Tika Taka threads on here as I don't understand why people are so obsessed about playing the "Barca" way. Having said that I have watched Barca a few times this season and they seem to play more exciting football. Anyway back to helping you. Normally I don't create possession based tactics but I seem to have created one. Previously I have posted tactics and pictures on here but I am using my mrs notepad with the new windows on and I have no idea how to do it.

Use a Rigid & Control philosophy
Change your DM to a Half back or a Regista
Have 2 DLP's in your midfield or a DLP and Box to Box midfielder. The advance playmaker offers very little in that position
Your best wide player set as the wide target man(one of the great new positions on the game) and the other as an inside forward.
Don't waste your time with the new F9 position or even the Trequatista and set him as a DLF. F9 and Trequatista are better suited with a Shadow striker behind them.
Team instructions to include retain possession, shorter passing, work ball into box, drill crosses, play wider, look for overlap, stick to positions, hassle opponents, get stuck in and lower tempo. I started a Millwall save and recently played a game in the Championship and finished the match with 76% possession with a completion rate of 90%.
Hope some of that helps
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I completely understand that you don't like the Barca style of football. In all fairness neither do I, however it's a winning tactic and playing it in a different league from it's original league or outbursts means I can have a dynamic feel about the game other than the basic style of play but it will be interesting to see what I can do with a lower league team and see if they can play that football. It's also going to be easier, instead of buying players to fit in any team - players that fit into the style of play.

I've changed my postions and what not to what you've said and want to give it a try, got a few errors in around the pitch before changing to this formation. I will allow 10 games to alter, If it doesn't work. I'll go to a different style completely and maybe a fast paced quick passing, and I doubt it'll be as successful.

I've got a game against Tranmere Rovers now, so hoping that it works well in my favour.
 
Thank you to everyone who's replying, I will keep you all updated on if the formation and tactics are working and if they aren't working what areas need improving.
 
So far so good, averaging about 77+ pass accuracy per game now. That's at it's lowest, baring in mind its still League 1. Hoping to push now, and get out the mid table area!
 
The tactic won't really work for Crewe, since Tiki Taka is heavily based on player creativity and team cohesion - yes, it's good to ping the ball around the pitch and keep possession, but you need those incisive balls in the Final Third which you won't get with the likes of Crewe. However, if you really want to make it work, I'd suggest setting training to 'Team Cohesion' due to the aforementioned requirements to play Tiki Taka.
 
TheFalse9 said:
The tactic won't really work for Crewe, since Tiki Taka is heavily based on player creativity and team cohesion - yes, it's good to ping the ball around the pitch and keep possession, but you need those incisive balls in the Final Third which you won't get with the likes of Crewe. However, if you really want to make it work, I'd suggest setting training to 'Team Cohesion' due to the aforementioned requirements to play Tiki Taka.
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Thanks for the reply. I think you're right on the fact the Tiki Taka won't work with a team at the capabilities that I have, however I'm averaging a 60% possession mark at minimum, and 75% pass accuracy. Which is remarkable for the level of football being played at, I'm expected to finish mid table and currently sat in 14th out of 24th so i'm doing something right, it's only about 15 games into the season and I feel the tactic working better every game.

I don't have a back up formation/tactic. That's probably something I should work on, although I'm happy this season with the improvements and the style we're playing.
 
To each his taste united762000. Domination feels good and you can do both; keeping the ball and creating a lot of chances.
 
TheFalse9 said:
The tactic won't really work for Crewe, since Tiki Taka is heavily based on player creativity and team cohesion - yes, it's good to ping the ball around the pitch and keep possession, but you need those incisive balls in the Final Third which you won't get with the likes of Crewe. However, if you really want to make it work, I'd suggest setting training to 'Team Cohesion' due to the aforementioned requirements to play Tiki Taka.
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I think this is sort of a myth. What's important is players' objective stats in terms of OTB and creativity etc., but how they compare with the rest of the division. You don't need ridiculous creativity if you're playing against defenders who are much less mobile/have poor anticipation.
 
no offence or anything like that intended. but when i read the title of the thread i thought - that's like writing - 'help, using Messi as a target man'
 
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