I've won quite comfortably the league and cups with Napoli for 3 seasons, before taking over Monaco for the last 2 seasons and winning everything domestically with a clear dominance. However, over 5 seasons in CL, i've rarely been able to beat a big team in the CL home and away. It's ridiculous how i can dominate domestically with an influx of worldclass players, yet this same group bend over to every big EUropean teams in the CL, and i do mean losing really badly like 3-0 or 4-0. It has to be the tactics. What is going on?? I usually set OI but it doesnt work. I never set players instructions. Is that the reasons? I know i'm missing something out.
Just can't win the Champions League
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Are you analysing your opposition? Trying to minimise their strengths, and attacking their weaknesses. Every teams as at least one weakness you can exploit.
Setting match training to maximum before each match? Rotating your squad so they're fresh for the big games? Watching the game in comprehensive or full so you can see what's going right, or wrong?
IMO, the more time you spend preparing for a game. The better you'll do
Setting match training to maximum before each match? Rotating your squad so they're fresh for the big games? Watching the game in comprehensive or full so you can see what's going right, or wrong?
IMO, the more time you spend preparing for a game. The better you'll do
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I agree with maximus94. Sometimes something as simple as making D-line changes to your defence can be a major difference ... eg pushing up higher or dropping deeper depending on opponent.
As well i find match preparation quite important in fm14 as i see a BIG difference in my results. Normally Attacking Movement when i play at home and against weak teams away, and Defensive Positioning when playing hard away games and in some cases, home matches if underdog.
Always analyse your teams stats in matches after the game to see where its going wrong.
As well i find match preparation quite important in fm14 as i see a BIG difference in my results. Normally Attacking Movement when i play at home and against weak teams away, and Defensive Positioning when playing hard away games and in some cases, home matches if underdog.
Always analyse your teams stats in matches after the game to see where its going wrong.
I do pay attention to the D-line and thus im extremely successful domestically. However, the same group of players that beat PSG comprehensively would go on to lose by a ridiculous margin to the likes of City, Barca, Real Madrid, United, Chelsea etc. Yet i see PSG advance to the QFs or SFs, while i never pass the QF in 5 seasons. I've always set defending-attacking for general/match training as per Jasser's tactics.
One thing is, I never bother to analyse the scouting reports, nor do i look at the analysis provided by my AM during the match. I've also never set player instructions based on the opposition they are facing respectively. Other than these 3 factors, i believed i've done it all. Could these be the reasons?
One thing is, I never bother to analyse the scouting reports, nor do i look at the analysis provided by my AM during the match. I've also never set player instructions based on the opposition they are facing respectively. Other than these 3 factors, i believed i've done it all. Could these be the reasons?
Also, for the OI, am i right to use my AM's since he is the best in terms of tactics among my coaches? Or should i chose OI from my defending coach if i wanna focus on defending, and OI from my attacking coach if i wanna attack more for the match? How should i select OI since there's an array of coaches available?
It could be as simple as your formation. If you're playing expansively at home vs. minnows in the French League and take that same formation away to the Nou Camp, Bernabau, Manchester clubs and San Siro, you will lose its as simple as that. The difference in opposition quality doesn't allow you to go Attacking Very Fluid etc in those games regardless of whether you have Falcao, Moutinho etc.
I'm sure you don't use Attacking/Very Fluid away to such teams but my point is you have to respect their strength and counter them accordingly
I'm sure you don't use Attacking/Very Fluid away to such teams but my point is you have to respect their strength and counter them accordingly
Thanks Arazar. In fact, i do switch from attacking to counter when playing away. Do you think my lack of player instructions is a factor? How about OI selection? Do u use the one with the best tactic rating or should i use defending coach's for counter, and attacking coach's for attacking?
I think I win CL simply because of on strategy, attack the **** out in home match and play on the counter in away games (except against smaller opposition). One I progress through group stages, I make it to final usually. Always sneaking at least 1 or 2 goal lead in home leg, rarely lost the home leg, not even against the big guns. Then away, just park the bus. Do what Jose Mourinho did with Inter at Nou Camp.
How is your team losing? You really haven't given us much information. Does your team suddenly under perform or does the opposition get their tactics right? Are you not creating chances, completing passes, other team tackling well? Some more information might be helpful.
Maybe your players just don't get up for big games.
Maybe your players just don't get up for big games.
I'm playing for my fourth CL title with Everton in the 2020 season right now. Got two in a row right now. This season alone I had to beat Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, and Barcelona to get the final against Man City. How did I do it? Scouting them a couple of times before the match, picking the right formation to counter their own (and having familiarity with it), boosting confidence where wise, countering their strengths and tendencies on the road, all out attacking to my strengths at home.
I scrape by in the away ties and then dominate at home: 1-1 to Madrid away (gave up a late equalizer) then won 3-0 at home. At Bayern I lost 3-2, but was happy with the away goals. Don't fear losing so long as you grab a few precious away goals. At home against Bayern, I won 3-0 again. Finally, against Barcelona I got my **** kicked at Camp Nou: 4-2 after Neymar hit back-to-back dubious penalties 5 minutes apart from each other. But I set out to attack the right way in the home match and had it at 2-0 after 20 minutes to tie the aggregate. From there we scored 2 more to put it out of reach, 4-2 at home and 6-4 on aggregate.
Put in the prep work before hand and it'll pay off!
syght
I scrape by in the away ties and then dominate at home: 1-1 to Madrid away (gave up a late equalizer) then won 3-0 at home. At Bayern I lost 3-2, but was happy with the away goals. Don't fear losing so long as you grab a few precious away goals. At home against Bayern, I won 3-0 again. Finally, against Barcelona I got my **** kicked at Camp Nou: 4-2 after Neymar hit back-to-back dubious penalties 5 minutes apart from each other. But I set out to attack the right way in the home match and had it at 2-0 after 20 minutes to tie the aggregate. From there we scored 2 more to put it out of reach, 4-2 at home and 6-4 on aggregate.
Put in the prep work before hand and it'll pay off!
syght
I can only answer from playing FM13, but should doing the straightforward tactics that normally works which people have mentioned not do the trick, (Attacking at home, defending away), change it up. I've found that often following the accepted template for general tactics the whole way through won't work as if you meet 3-4 big teams as at least one of them will simply do what you're doing of following the attack at home defend away template but better. Just luck in that respect.
Try throwing surprises out there; some of my best results have come from going to the Nou Camp (or equivalent) and attacking like **** to overrun them. You can't do it obviously with sub-world class players, but if you have them and morale is superb, take the risk if every campaign is just failing.
Another huge factor is players that have the strength of important matches. Can't overstate how useful they are when you need someone to put in a MoM performance, and I've nearly always had mine come through in that respect. In my FM13 game Patrick Herrmann was for a number of years my second choice right winger, but he'd play infinitely better in huge games because of that trait and perhaps become the deciding factor.
And just set your assistant manager to implementing opposition tactics in staff responsibilities (If its still in FM14). You don't need to think about it then so can get on with the bits you do want to.
Try throwing surprises out there; some of my best results have come from going to the Nou Camp (or equivalent) and attacking like **** to overrun them. You can't do it obviously with sub-world class players, but if you have them and morale is superb, take the risk if every campaign is just failing.
Another huge factor is players that have the strength of important matches. Can't overstate how useful they are when you need someone to put in a MoM performance, and I've nearly always had mine come through in that respect. In my FM13 game Patrick Herrmann was for a number of years my second choice right winger, but he'd play infinitely better in huge games because of that trait and perhaps become the deciding factor.
And just set your assistant manager to implementing opposition tactics in staff responsibilities (If its still in FM14). You don't need to think about it then so can get on with the bits you do want to.
Sounds like Chelsea before RDM. Dominant at home. Struggled on the big stage. Won the thing by making it harder for the opposition to play their game.
I'm in the same boat but I'm backing my youngsters to improve over time as they have enormous potential. We've only narrowly lossed because of missed chances and a few penalties but my main striker is 18.
What I'm saying is everyone is right. While you need to play to your strengths you also need to shut down the opposition. It's a balancing act.
I'm in the same boat but I'm backing my youngsters to improve over time as they have enormous potential. We've only narrowly lossed because of missed chances and a few penalties but my main striker is 18.
What I'm saying is everyone is right. While you need to play to your strengths you also need to shut down the opposition. It's a balancing act.
If you haven't done set piece instructions, then that could be it. I don't use OI or individual PI and have still had massive success. It's more about the formation, team instructions, set piece instructions, philosophy and of course team talk. Since you haven't been specific it would take far too long for me to list all of these things, I'd be better of giving you a tactic!
Sounds like Chelsea before RDM. Dominant at home. Struggled on the big stage. Won the thing by making it harder for the opposition to play their game.
I'm in the same boat but I'm backing my youngsters to improve over time as they have enormous potential. We've only narrowly lossed because of missed chances and a few penalties but my main striker is 18.
What I'm saying is everyone is right. While you need to play to your strengths you also need to shut down the opposition. It's a balancing act.
I'm in the same boat but I'm backing my youngsters to improve over time as they have enormous potential. We've only narrowly lossed because of missed chances and a few penalties but my main striker is 18.
What I'm saying is everyone is right. While you need to play to your strengths you also need to shut down the opposition. It's a balancing act.
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Syght,
I have attached my Ligue1 league table. As you can see, i have a complete dominance of domestic competititons so surely training cannot be very wrong, though taking Monaco isn't that much of a challenge, i must admit. Formations are from Jasser's I'M Possible & Bomb, so again tactics cannot be that bad. However, if you look at my CL table, i have no problems disposing of the average teams, but surely it cannot be that huge of a disparity to lose 5-0 away and 1-3 home to Man City, given the quality of players at my disposal. (the selected players on my tactics are my reserves which i play once a while to keep them afresh). The only tweek to my tactics are playing "COUNTER" for away games, and "CONTROL/STANDARD" for home games against City or any big teams.
As for the scouting report, how would you interprete it as i've attached and what would you go about doing in preparation? I've lost to Bayern the previous season with an embarssing aggregate and would like to beat them for once.
My setpieces are a beast, with Phil Jones scoring 20 goals half way into the season, and the other 2 centrebacks scoring about 7. In fact, i score setpieces every game or 60% of my goals, and rarely concede them. As for team talks, Mista takes most of them and they are usually quite ok.
My first eleven is Courtois, Danilo, Phil Jones, Caulker, Salgado/Bertrand, Erikson, Tayfun Gul, Rodriguez, Benteke, Pogba, Thiago, etc... Surely they are not bottlers.... The problem has to be the manager, ie me
After browsing through the thread i've noticed a lot of people do the complete opposite to me lol, I'm Roma, my team isn't exactly world class it looks like this: Valdes, dodo, Jedev(sp?), papadopolous, Maicon, De Rossi, Strootman, Llajic, Januzaj Borini destro. then i look at who i'm against usually set up in a 4:5:1 because i've found teams like Madrid, barce, bayern opt for a 4:2:3:1 and I feel the above formation is my best chance of getting something at the break, at home i play counter attacking football, away I play counter attacking football for 30-45 minutes, then I switch to attacking and tell them to run at the defence. anyway long story short won two CL in 3 years, one against Madrid and one against Barcelona. of course my method never allows me to smash them 4-0 but i've not lost in a knockout round (home or away) in the two years.
Do you specifically train 4-5-1 when meeting the big teams or is that your typical tactic? I thought of changing tactics for big games but its familiarity would be low and that makes me nervous.
I train three tactics my 4:2:3:1 that I use most games, My 4:3:1:2 that I use when i want to play narrow, and the 4:5:1 which is normally used for the Champions league only, oh and when against big teams I switch training to defending set pieces, simply because i hate losing by one goal which came from a corner or free kick etc.