need 3-5-2 tactic for juve
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ugh good suggestion mate. i prefer 3 defenders aswell. tried several tactics but ones with 4 defenders are more stable and bring better results. i may be wrong but i think there is no winning 3-5-2 since ive never saw one (rly working) in FM09
Could be done, but you'll need wingbacks of the calibre of candela and cafu in their prime to make it work. Which is why I've not bothered as it will be so heavily dependant on two outstanding players in two positions both playing well, week in, week out, without getting injured and without dips in form cos if they don't you'll leak like a sieve - don't get too many of them on free transfers in English league 2. 
Other problem with three at the back is that your two 'wide' centrebacks are going to be constantly pulled out wide against most other formations leaving the man in the middle facing at least two forward thinking players and you hoping that there's enough cover in midfield to get back and help out every time you lose the ball. Essentially meaning you might as well have played two players at centreback in the first place.
Capello switched to a 4-4-2 with one of his central defenders stepping forward into midfield to create that extra man in midfield. That gives the benefits of the 4-4-2 (if the defender doing that is pacy and has good technical skills) as well as that of a 3-5-2.
Other problem with three at the back is that your two 'wide' centrebacks are going to be constantly pulled out wide against most other formations leaving the man in the middle facing at least two forward thinking players and you hoping that there's enough cover in midfield to get back and help out every time you lose the ball. Essentially meaning you might as well have played two players at centreback in the first place.
Capello switched to a 4-4-2 with one of his central defenders stepping forward into midfield to create that extra man in midfield. That gives the benefits of the 4-4-2 (if the defender doing that is pacy and has good technical skills) as well as that of a 3-5-2.
could be Marcelo and Srna. both greatly defend and support attacks. low creative freedom and direct narrowed passing should prevent defenders to lose a ball till it get to midfielders. i have only one problem when trying to set up 3-5-2, its load of air attacks which always is headache even when you have strong aerial defenders. ive tried to solve this problem by adding extra wingers but then huge coridor in the middle appears. its such a cursed circle for me but im still searching for solutions 8-|
well this creation is not far from standard that im trying to get. working 3-5-2 i mean. i need to fill the gap between DMs and AMC but im stuck here yet.
as you can see it switch to massive 5-3-2 when defending cuz Marcelo and Zabaleta are WB/AM. i think i only need to fill a gap between DMs and AMC. do you think narrow wide and "through the middle" would help? in this case my wingers and DMs must have 18-19 of closing down to prevent crosses as much as possible
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im testing this right now.
1:1 against Aston Villa (Aguero missed penalty thou) (away)
0:1 against Middlesbrough (Aguero missing a lot) (home)
3:0 against Hull (away)
2:0 against Newcastle (home)
0:2 against Everton (away)
1:2 against Arsenal (away) my 13 shots against their 7 shots and goal from corner, victory had to be mine! :O
well it seems working but not that well yet. meaning that im playing with ManCity first season i would say this tactic have a future! just need have a patience (6)
as you can see it switch to massive 5-3-2 when defending cuz Marcelo and Zabaleta are WB/AM. i think i only need to fill a gap between DMs and AMC. do you think narrow wide and "through the middle" would help? in this case my wingers and DMs must have 18-19 of closing down to prevent crosses as much as possible
---------- Post added at 07:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:45 PM ----------
im testing this right now.
1:1 against Aston Villa (Aguero missed penalty thou) (away)
0:1 against Middlesbrough (Aguero missing a lot) (home)
3:0 against Hull (away)
2:0 against Newcastle (home)
0:2 against Everton (away)
1:2 against Arsenal (away) my 13 shots against their 7 shots and goal from corner, victory had to be mine! :O
well it seems working but not that well yet. meaning that im playing with ManCity first season i would say this tactic have a future! just need have a patience (6)
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Personally, I'd set the wingers to mixed runs as 'standard'. There's a huge gap behind them which any team playing direct with quick wingers will exploit.
Not sure there really is a gap as such in midfield. Is the AM's mentality set too high - lowering it a bit and then playing a standard double mentality setting for the strikers might be better? Raising one of the DM's mentality and using him as a deeplying playmaker while tying the other DM to a purely defensive role might help. The central midfield is pretty standard for a 2-0-1 formation so that really shouldn't be a problem.
Would imagine you'd have to play kind of narrowish, but if you do then you lose the whole advantage of risking the winger positioning you've chosen. Which is why it's an 'odd' formation I guess. Very strong down the centre but too light on the wings so you'll just be running flat into most defensive formations head-on.
Not sure what to say really - I'd certainly know how to set up against that formation but to make it work. Hmmm. There's a little part of me wondering whether the central defender of the three really needs to be quite so defensively minded. And I'm wondering how you prevent doubling up on the wings - using the strikers to close down the full backs and giving the AM position responsibility to close down the opposition centrebacks/DMC?
Not sure there really is a gap as such in midfield. Is the AM's mentality set too high - lowering it a bit and then playing a standard double mentality setting for the strikers might be better? Raising one of the DM's mentality and using him as a deeplying playmaker while tying the other DM to a purely defensive role might help. The central midfield is pretty standard for a 2-0-1 formation so that really shouldn't be a problem.
Would imagine you'd have to play kind of narrowish, but if you do then you lose the whole advantage of risking the winger positioning you've chosen. Which is why it's an 'odd' formation I guess. Very strong down the centre but too light on the wings so you'll just be running flat into most defensive formations head-on.
Not sure what to say really - I'd certainly know how to set up against that formation but to make it work. Hmmm. There's a little part of me wondering whether the central defender of the three really needs to be quite so defensively minded. And I'm wondering how you prevent doubling up on the wings - using the strikers to close down the full backs and giving the AM position responsibility to close down the opposition centrebacks/DMC?
what is kinda strange, my wingers crossing rarely even if they are narrowed up. they prefer to join attacks in the middle and through ball my strikers.
i have some problems while building up an attack through the middle. lose too much balls there when my AM cant find how to continue, guess you are right about different roles for DMs.
DMs have closing down 17 what means they help to my wingers to not get doubl'd but then they get pulled out of their natural positions so some danger appears 20-25 meters form my goal when opponent midfielders outnumber my only one left DM. i wonder what effect it gives if i push up one of my DM to CM position with one DM behind and one AM in front of. btw ye my strikers have huge closing down aswell so they cover oposition DMs and defenders.
im going to low down forward run to mixed for my wingers and low down closing down for my DMs to see how it works
i have some problems while building up an attack through the middle. lose too much balls there when my AM cant find how to continue, guess you are right about different roles for DMs.
DMs have closing down 17 what means they help to my wingers to not get doubl'd but then they get pulled out of their natural positions so some danger appears 20-25 meters form my goal when opponent midfielders outnumber my only one left DM. i wonder what effect it gives if i push up one of my DM to CM position with one DM behind and one AM in front of. btw ye my strikers have huge closing down aswell so they cover oposition DMs and defenders.
im going to low down forward run to mixed for my wingers and low down closing down for my DMs to see how it works
Might be worth raising your AM's passing to more 'direct' levels if he's not getting many options - but that's the problem your formation will face because there's no width if the 'wingers' are defending. A target man might help - some big bustling player to hold up the ball a bit.
Playing narrow will mean that your wingers will want to get into the middle - their only other option is to try and beat the fullback and the opposition winger. Which is a tough ask.
Pushing the DM to a MC position will just make the problem worse I'd imagine - you'd end up with both the MC and DM charging from flank to flank trying to close people down.
Your strikers closing down is also going to be a factor in why you seem to have problems with your AM. It might be worth actually ditching a striker, going to 2 AM/FC type players behind a target man so that the target man can concentrate on finding a bit of space.
Just my tuppence anyways. Good luck
Playing narrow will mean that your wingers will want to get into the middle - their only other option is to try and beat the fullback and the opposition winger. Which is a tough ask.
Pushing the DM to a MC position will just make the problem worse I'd imagine - you'd end up with both the MC and DM charging from flank to flank trying to close people down.
Your strikers closing down is also going to be a factor in why you seem to have problems with your AM. It might be worth actually ditching a striker, going to 2 AM/FC type players behind a target man so that the target man can concentrate on finding a bit of space.
Just my tuppence anyways. Good luck
i left my wingers as it was, with max forward run. lowered closing down option for my DMs so they cover up center. now opponents make a bit more crosses but my defenders can handle it. just like you said i gave more att mentality to one of my DMs so now my AM always have an option to pass back. things going pretty well yet, im on 6 unbeaten run already and Abefemi Martins scoring a lot of goals, also hes leading by assists. my AM got player of the month award and my winger now have young player of the month award (Marcelo). ill keep this tactic till the end of the season to make sure its long term.