Pep Bayern 2013-2014
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You really don't need all of those instructions.
assistant...but feel free to do what you think is correct
Much lower tempo? Play NARROWER?Possession football works on stretching the opponent then passing in space.. if you play narrow, the midfield will be more crowded.
lol...possession football was never about passing into space. The idea was pass to feet until that final moment of execution...passing into space was added because not enough goals were scored....you cant effectively play both possession and high tempo instructions, it's one or the other...and you want to play narrow if you want short passing and effiecient pressing. the fullbacks are the ones offering width to the team...
i see what pep is doing, trying to take a different version of the tiki taka as it brought him much success prior using the system, don't fix what isn't broken, right?
But for the Destroyer/Creator/Preserver (the main spinal cord for tiki taka) in the mid field, you will need to change the DLP to anchorman (arguably the best role for it) as the Destroyer, make one of the CM's a DLP or AP on support as the Creator and have the other CM'er on a support duty of either CM or B2B for the preserver role. That way the ball is collected by the anchor via a stray pass or tackle, passed onto the DLP/AP who then more often than not utilises his midfield partner to begin attacking movements. Alternatively, change te DLP to a Regista, if you wish to keep the DM as a playmaker, Registas are better playmakers in the DM role.
But for the Destroyer/Creator/Preserver (the main spinal cord for tiki taka) in the mid field, you will need to change the DLP to anchorman (arguably the best role for it) as the Destroyer, make one of the CM's a DLP or AP on support as the Creator and have the other CM'er on a support duty of either CM or B2B for the preserver role. That way the ball is collected by the anchor via a stray pass or tackle, passed onto the DLP/AP who then more often than not utilises his midfield partner to begin attacking movements. Alternatively, change te DLP to a Regista, if you wish to keep the DM as a playmaker, Registas are better playmakers in the DM role.
All good points, however, I am playing with two CDD's and play out of defence instruction, which means we are supposed to bring the ball out of defence and out of defence start attacks. And, if I do as you suggest, I do not have anyone to do that job. Dlpd does exatly that, and pep put lahm in that position because he is the most technical player at his disposal. Any other role, and the defence starts hoofing ball upward...dlps and cms are very similar roles, they are both creative roles, with cms being more dynamic option. Schweiny can play here and he is more a box to box player then real dlps, so cms is closer to this. I didnt chose box to box on purpose as that role doesnt rely on teamwork, and teamwork is what bayern is about...And a cma role is almost identical to adv play, even their primary attributes are almost the same, except the cma does more runing from deep by default. It gives the striker an option to pass the ball to, and it is also easier to mix players in this position, as it is not a specialised role.
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I didn't exactly mean "pass to space" my bad. I meant pass to feet but creating space for players to pass around, gap if you will. You stretch the opponents so you have more gap to pass around, narrow is for defensive stability but it congests the middle of the park.
okay...but when players are close to one another, and you play it short, you actually have more options to pass the ball to. If they are widely spread, opponents may easily intercept. If you want to play things wide, you should really be using direct approach...
Not really. Play Narrower is for more defensive approach, when you play counter/defensive. Possession / attacking football needs stretching opposition wide. If you play narrow, breaching oppositions defense will be very tough.
I know how playing narrow makes it difficult, I'm a Chelsea fan, we play 3 no.10s in attacking band. It's extremely narrow and we struggle to score and breach opposition defense IRL.
what about this:
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i'm going to explain with some screens:
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in this situation BBM (8) in possession pass the ball to an unmarked HB(11) and while the DWL(7) come in-field soon the WBL(3) overlaps, the HB passes the ball to the DW now he can go through the crowded center or pass the ball into space for the WB, he passes the ball to WB creating a chance
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now look behind we have 2 CDs against only 1 striker cause the other striker drops deep pressing my HB that was in possession. the goal comes from a similar situation:
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here we have a throw-in n.2 passes to n.11 but he stays wide the defense goes narrower trying to close spaces, n.11 passes back to n.2 and he gives the ball to n.9, now we have a killer situation: defenders n.6,7,5,4 in panic are closing down the striker, n.2 is marking my other two wide players, now look what space we can found in the middle of the area and that's exactly where the ball goes for my n.10(AP) who scores. again behind we have 2 CDs against 1 striker
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this is what you need for a possession based play, wideness is essential for create chances. here are final stats of this game:
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they've scored from a corner (as usual
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i'm going to explain with some screens:
View attachment 434861
in this situation BBM (8) in possession pass the ball to an unmarked HB(11) and while the DWL(7) come in-field soon the WBL(3) overlaps, the HB passes the ball to the DW now he can go through the crowded center or pass the ball into space for the WB, he passes the ball to WB creating a chance
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now look behind we have 2 CDs against only 1 striker cause the other striker drops deep pressing my HB that was in possession. the goal comes from a similar situation:
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here we have a throw-in n.2 passes to n.11 but he stays wide the defense goes narrower trying to close spaces, n.11 passes back to n.2 and he gives the ball to n.9, now we have a killer situation: defenders n.6,7,5,4 in panic are closing down the striker, n.2 is marking my other two wide players, now look what space we can found in the middle of the area and that's exactly where the ball goes for my n.10(AP) who scores. again behind we have 2 CDs against 1 striker
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this is what you need for a possession based play, wideness is essential for create chances. here are final stats of this game:
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they've scored from a corner (as usual
)Actually, if you set things up properly, scoring isn't an issue. And possesion football always meant keeping players behind ball, not ahead of ball. Attacking is based on wide play and stretching the opposition, but that's not possession game. Check on which end of scale is overload and on which end is contain and what both of them stand for...
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I saw this tactic on another forum, but that good you bring it here. (Not the same of course, you do some changes.)
When I play first with this tactic (without the pass into space) I wasn't score much.
So I tick the pass into space and its work amazing.
Thanks.
When I play first with this tactic (without the pass into space) I wasn't score much.
So I tick the pass into space and its work amazing.
Thanks.
Pass into space will work if your players are faster then theirs and can reach the ball sooner....otherwise, I suggest you turn it off