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Hello people, im currently Spurs in my first season, ive bought Zezinho and he's joining me Jan 01. I play two wingers, Bale and Lennon ML and MR, Zezinho is AMR natural, but can i train him to be natural MR? how long does it take? and more importantly how do i retrain him? in the training screen or tactics? sorry, it might sound stupid, but ive never had to do it as i always buy natural in position, and theres not many out and out natural MR who are good so fancied retraining him there. Thanks in advance people :D
 
Click on the player you want to retrain and then click on training and select the new position you want him to learn to make him learn a new position. I dont usually do it so i dont know how long it takes but it took around 6 months for me to train darren fletcher to DMC natural so i magine around that long.
 
Raikan007 said:
I would suggest reading through here mate, I dont think its a good idea retraining youngsters under the age of 24 to new positions.... it uses up their CA which could be used to better their stats....

http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/f101/the-complete-how-to-train-tutor-my-youngsters-thread-t50197.html
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Actually I am almost surtain that this isn't valid raikan... I used holidayed saves to see a player's development in 3 occasions:
1) not retrained at all
2) retrained from a "yellow" position to natural
3) retrained from a "none" position to natural

This youngster is known to have a fixed pa and the test shown that there was no loss of pa for the new position.. The stats were somehow similar so even if there is a loss it is small enough to pass unnoticed. In fact i have a theory based on a thread I read here that says that ca is based on how important a stat is for a position. I believe that the loss you are claiming to witness is based to the change of stats balance. So, due to the fact that attacking winger and winger must have identical stat balance I d say that there is no problem for him to retrain.

Also friend have in mind that
1) the younger is better in terms of how fast a player learn a position.
2) some hidden stats like versatility, adaptability and professionalism play a role to the speed a player can learn q new position.
3) it is really important for a player to be played to the learning position to accelerate the prossess
4) how similar is the position to the already known ones are important as well

To sum up, my opinion is to do it!
I hope I helped.
 
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dude, I am telling you that it uses up PA points, you really are getting a bit over the top with all this high and mighty retraining you do :) everyone does it pal :) you are not the only one!

maybe not 24, 22 or so, just not under 20yrs... but everyone does their own thing differently... I was just giving my opinion :)
 
Raikan007 said:
dude, I am telling you that it uses up PA points, you really are getting a bit over the top with all this high and mighty retraining you do :) everyone does it pal :) you are not the only one!

maybe not 24, 22 or so, just not under 20yrs... but everyone does their own thing differently... I was just giving my opinion :)
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In my experiments the PA “usage” is not visible.. .The subject is 21 years old (moussa sissoko) and I trained him to striker and right back. How do you know this by the way? Do you have this information from a developer or something? Or this is based on personal experimentation? It is a bit odd for an option that require PA to be viable for players that are already at their maximum don’t you thing? For instance I read somewhere that arsavin starts the game with PA=CA and that is the reason he is declining but yet I managed to retrain him from competent to accomplished striker and really quickly…

I don’t believe that “my” retrainings are mighty// I just think that retraining is a powerful option that finally enables you to judge what players you want to stats. Surely I am proud of some of my retrainings (I ve done some that are not so good though) and I suggest them when I am asked for a player because they rock at my game, but that is what every player in here do when they are asked for suggestions.. They suggest the players that are playing well for their teams so do I (I currently have 5 retrained players in my starting 11 so most of the times my suggestions are retrained).

And finally, to end this because I saw it again from you, just because you are using it doesn’t mean that everyone does! Retraining is an overlooked and sometimes feared option (that will eat up the players PA, that will loose tons of games if use a player that he is not at least accomplished in a position, that it isn’t possible (!) to train a player in a position he isn’t at least awkward on etc) for a respectable amount of people here.. You can tell by reading the answers I get when I suggest retraining a player.. just half an hour ago when I suggested pastore and aguero for AML (the first is btw the MOST popular retraining option in this site, I saw this suggestion when I was looking for AML and judging by the results, I started experimenting with retrainings) and the first answer was “he said he was looking for AML”. So if this and all the other answers I got in every thread I suggest a retraining (remember the number of mocking answers when I suggested Fellaini as Cb because he is the best defender in EPL in TWO of my games?) does tell you that “everyone is using it” then I don’t know what else to say…

PS: I don’t want the glory for suggesting something innovative as what I suggest it isn’t. I am just saing this because your answers suggest that and it isn’t true. Just because I spend time experimenting with the options given the same way you do with scouting I want to share my findings. I did the same with the complete tutoring guide.. I told you to take the text and put it on a new stickied thread of yours along with stuff we could gather around for all tutoring, retraining and PPMs… Yet you didn’t discuss anything on this thread, actually you didn’t answer at all! That is why I stopped the effort…
 
you are starting to tickle my ****... I have not even read what you have said, you actually DO NOT LISTEN!

for the past week I have said that RETRAINING is a good idea, I do it myself, I always have...
 
Raikan007 said:
I have not even read what you have said
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Please do.. It makes discussion easier..:)
This text above isnt about convincing you to retrain (something I completely understood you do and enjoy) but about FM community.. You scare the, already scared about retraining, people with this PA thing that I have some proof that is not valid(not unshacable but proof indeed) Thanks!
 
I have used it extensively, but mostly to either train a right or left back into a right or left WING back, or to train an AML to AMR or vice versa when using "inside-out" forwards. I've never had a problem with it - on my spurs save I've got an argentine regen left winger that i retrained to play on the right, and he is now up for the Ballon D'Or at age 21 (did the retrain at 18).
 
Well it probably takes some PA points, but I'm not sure. But it seem logical retraining a younger player should be easier. I know many players retrained from ST to DC position in real life.. I mean they started to play football at ST position but the coach sees that they could do it better as CBs. But there are players like Robben for example, who was an AML during his spell at Chelsea.. and now he is operating on the right.. so nothing is impossible.
 
Not to interject, but I thought that PA was used whilst learning a position, but once the player reached natural, it went back into other attributes. Obviously the only people who know are the coders, but 'tis how it seems from my experiences
 
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