Some important information for those who play with "Instant Result"

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Guys, I just finished some testing and got 100% confirmation that when you use "Instant Result" then the assistant manager almost always changes Wide Midfielder role in your tactic, of course, if your tactic has this role.

The assistant manager changes it to "Wide Playmaker" or "Winger" and his choice depends on the role rating of players.

Let's say your tactic has MR position with "Wide Midfielder" role and you use this Player "A" at MR position:

rating_1.png

As you can see Player "A" has following ratings for roles:

1st place – "Wide Playmaker"

2nd place – "Winger"

3rd place – "Wide Midfielder"

When you use "Instant Result" then the assistant manager change the Wide Midfielder role in your tactic to "Wide Playmaker" role because he "thinks" that this role suites much better for the Player "A"




Other example, let's say your tactic has ML position with "Wide Midfielder" role and you use this Player "B" at ML position:

rating_2.png

As you can see Player “B” has following ratings for roles:

1st place – "Winger"

2nd place – "Wide Playmaker"

3rd place – "Wide Midfielder"

When you use "Instant Result" then the assistant manager change the Wide Midfielder role in your tactic to "Winger" role because he ”thinks” that this role suites much better for the Player "B"





It explains why we see total randomness in the different tactic testing threads here because all they are made with "Instant Result" and all they have different players so it might be that in some tests players that are used at MR/ML positions get "Wide Playmaker" roles during testing and in other tests they get "Winger" role...

Also, players that play the game in regular way(without "Instant Result") are having totally difference experience than players that play with "Instant Result"...

And it explains why a tactic might show an amazing result(much better than other tactics) in some testing but when people try it in their save in real game it performs poorly or when people test this in other testing systems then they get very different result with it.
 
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I have a question then.

What if you lock the player instructions for that player and then Instant Result. Have you tested that?
 
I thought you were announcing your retirement for this year.. but no its ANOTHER tried trying to prove your bad results in tactic testings.. just face it.. they are good but not the best. If people still pick your tactics this year over chickenwing, paris, date and gob... they dont like winning as much
 
I have a question then.

What if you lock the player instructions for that player and then Instant Result. Have you tested that?

Mate, I'm not sure that I get what you are talking about... can you clarify a little bit… :)

"Lock the players instructions" what do you mean?
 
Mate, I'm not sure that I get what you are talking about... can you clarify a little bit… :)

"Lock the players instructions" what do you mean?

When you go to "Player Instructions" you can lock those specific player instructions to a certain player when you use the "+Add Player" button at the bottom right. Have you tried using that and then Instant Result to see if it makes a difference?
 
When you go to "Player Instructions" you can lock those specific player instructions to a certain player when you use the "+Add Player" button at the bottom right. Have you tried using that and then Instant Result to see if it makes a difference?


BRILLIANT IDEA MATE!!! :)

I JUST TRIED IT AND IT WORKED!!!

 
Great! I can feel my "Wanted" poster going up at SI HQ as we speak...

Hold on, someone's at the door. BRB
 

I'm editing the OP and adding a guide how to solve this issue!

All credits go to Justified!

Didnt you suggest the same fix for the wm, running inside or outside issue in an old tactic

I'm sure i remember you using Silva/Sterling as an example in an OP. could be someone else though..
 
I thought you were announcing your retirement for this year.. but no its ANOTHER tried trying to prove your bad results in tactic testings.. just face it.. they are good but not the best. If people still pick your tactics this year over chickenwing, paris, date and gob... they dont like winning as much

which ones gob?
 
Didnt you suggest the same fix for the wm, running inside or outside issue in an old tactic

I'm sure i remember you using Silva/Sterling as an example in an OP. could be someone else though..

Hehe... Yes, you are right, mate… it's the same thing but I suggested it for totally different purpose :)
 
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Bad news, guys... I spoke too soon… the solution doesn't work... :@

I tested for a bit longer and I see that the assistant manager still changes the roles of Wide Midfielders

I've removed the solution from the OP



P.S. Justified, despite all that your idea was awesome, mate... ;)
 
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If you use a match plan then the AM doesn't take over, there are no subs either, unless forced (using Gunzo skin).
 
If you use a match plan then the AM doesn't take over, there are no subs either, unless forced (using Gunzo skin).

Mate, the "Instant Result" feature was designed for FM Touch mode only and it's where this feature is officially supported.

In FM Touch Mode you can create different "Match Plans" and when you use them it doesn't mean that the assistant is no longer in charge of the match, it only mean that now he's got additional instructions what to do in the match. For example, you can instruct your assistant manager what mentality to use when you lose/win or when make substitution and so on...

For the Full Game Mode we have "hacked" version of Instant Result features, of course, there's no "Match Plans" customization available and when you try to use any match plans for "Instant Resul" then it starts works totally unpredictable and your assistant manager starts to use random tactics and he doesn't make any substitution at all during matches.

So any use of "Match Plans" for the Full Game Mode is totally excluded, there's simple no code for it.


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@TFF - was looking through a test save, being courious about what the ***. Manager does in a match, but where do you find such data/stats or whatever it's called in FM16?

Mate, the only way to find out what happened in the match when you used Instant Result for it is to watch the PKMs of this match and see how it was played.
 
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@TotalFootballFan9, How do you know this to be 100% true? After you've used Instant Result on a match how can you tell that the *** Man changed the role? And this only happens with the "Wide Midfielder" role and none other?
 
@TotalFootballFan9, How do you know this to be 100% true? After you've used Instant Result on a match how can you tell that the *** Man changed the role? And this only happens with the "Wide Midfielder" role and none other?

Hey mate,

No, I haven't been noticing that the assistant manager changes other roles when I use "Instant Result", It might be that this issue specifically to Wide Midfielder role or might be that I just didn't looked hard for other roles...


@TotalFootballFan9, How do you know this to be 100% true? After you've used Instant Result on a match how can you tell that the *** Man changed the role?

after using Instant Result watch PKM of the match... the Wide Midfielder and Wide Playmaker have very obvious difference in behavior
 
It is necessary to write the complaint to SI that they have corrected this problem.
 
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