The Counter Diamond

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This is my second ever upload tactic-wise on this site, as I try to create something different to the norm. I have seen a lot of 4-2-4 tactics recently, assumably trying to exploit the improved width philosophy on the ME. I personally had a go on JP Woody's and was impressed with the fluidity, possession and chances created. Except when I got promoted to the Premiership with Crewe, I knew something different was in order. I have always struggled coming into the top flight with a team like Crewe, as the combination of gelling new players and helping the current players take the step up whilst playing the likes of United, Chelsea, City and co, testing you every week.​


So enough rambling, let's get down to the bones of the tactic.
I went for a completely different tack, to see what the narrower style of tactic could come up with. Bearing in mind I have a newly promoted team, who 6 seasons ago where in League 2, my first priority was to build a solid defence. So I started off with a deep defensive line, both centre halves set to defend. By implementing this alongside a standing off pressing strategy, I try to limit the opposition to long shots, and having to play there way round the back. With a few tweaks, the defensive line has got slightly less deep and using more aggressive tackling, limits the opposition to as few scoring opportunities as I feel is physically possible for a side like mine. Full backs of course play a major part to any narrow tactic and they use a support duty to try and link the play to the midfield and offer a wide option when necessary. To add to the defensive guile of the formation an anchorman is used to simply break up play and lay it off to a more influential player. Two box-to-box midfielders are applied to support both attacking and defensive duties. They are used as workhorses, with decent passing ability, to create chances, but break up play at the back and get behind the ball when needed. Advanced Playmaker is the next piece to the puzzle, arguably the most important. Whilst having the freest role in the side, ball retention, vision, and passing are imperative on the attacking front, to lay in balls for the forwards to run onto. I have decided to set all my players to rarely take on long shots, because they have limited ability to do so. (If your players have that ability, by all means change that up!)
Finally the forwards. An out an out poacher, with good pace, positioning, dribbling and finishing ability, will get the best out of this tactic to get into space and utilise it to the maximum. I have gone with a target man alongside the poacher, with his supply set to run onto ball. This in turn uses the advanced playmakers passing ability along with some good pace and off the ball work, to carve out more chances on the break.

The tactic uses a fast tempo to break quickly whilst under possible pressure from superior sides. I realise a fast tempo can be counter-productive but all in all, it is pretty fail-safe from my testing so far. On that note this is still largely in the testing phase, so any suggestions are welcome. Here are some screenshots of the breakdown of the tactic and some results and game styles. If I have missed any required details, do let me know.​
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this tactic helped my struggling leicester in prem used it against spurs won 2 nil
 
this tactic helped my struggling leicester in prem used it against spurs won 2 nil
Again this is the main objective, struggling teams. If you could give us some more detailed feedback from more matches would be even better!



I know it's not a JP or Mr Hough tactic, but I thought there might be a few more takers!


Sent it to a couple mates who play the game, they like it.

Please could I have some bleeding testers! Put a lot of time into this!
 
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This tactic is great at the moment for me ive played 3 games lost to man utd 3-1 away which is hard drew with bolton away 1-1 which is vital point and i lost to aston villa 3-2 but was 2-0 up until half time then they scored 3 screamers which i couldnt help but i had better of game in all these games jus need clincal finishing cheers for tatcic :)
 
This tactic is great at the moment for me ive played 3 games lost to man utd 3-1 away which is hard drew with bolton away 1-1 which is vital point and i lost to aston villa 3-2 but was 2-0 up until half time then they scored 3 screamers which i couldnt help but i had better of game in all these games jus need clincal finishing cheers for tatcic :)
Thanks for the feedback mate, I found holding a lead the most difficult thing with this tactic. Maybe when 2-0 up try slowing the tempo down, and changing the CM's to BWM.

Keep going!
 
Hi Stann I tried your tactic with my Sochaux save (ligue1 media prediction 17th) as I was really struggling to find defensive balance for an offensive-minded team designed for a tactic similar to Koflok's goals galore (new signings include Denilson and Diego Buonanotte), which I succesfully used for my Toronto Fc save.

Results have been quite impressive so far, looks like you've found a perfect team balance and the closing down works especially well in every zone of the pitch (which is something I've always struggled with). Opponents finding really hard to score!

I noticed that the team doesn't create lots of chances, but they're always dangerous ones, and the counter works great. I like using a creative forward as the poacher, seems to help playmaking a little bit.

I'm usually not a fan of the target-man but it seems vital to this tactic so I have this athletic nigerian striker (Brown) who's thriving in this role. I'd like to try another type of TM though, possibly more technique-oriented (a player like Dinamo Kiev's Milevsky comes to mind), how would that work in your opinion? And how would you tweak this tactic to work without a target man?

All in all great work, very refreshing after tons of self-proclamed "perfect-attack-dominate-treble-possession" tactics that accidentally tend to feature the likes of Messi Drogba Rooney Arshavin Ronaldo Xavi Fabregas etc... no disrespecting I'm sure they do work and took time to develop, I just look for different things and ideas in a tactic.

 
Hi Stann I tried your tactic with my Sochaux save (ligue1 media prediction 17th) as I was really struggling to find defensive balance for an offensive-minded team designed for a tactic similar to Koflok's goals galore (new signings include Denilson and Diego Buonanotte), which I succesfully used for my Toronto Fc save.

Results have been quite impressive so far, looks like you've found a perfect team balance and the closing down works especially well in every zone of the pitch (which is something I've always struggled with). Opponents finding really hard to score!

I noticed that the team doesn't create lots of chances, but they're always dangerous ones, and the counter works great. I like using a creative forward as the poacher, seems to help playmaking a little bit.

I'm usually not a fan of the target-man but it seems vital to this tactic so I have this athletic nigerian striker (Brown) who's thriving in this role. I'd like to try another type of TM though, possibly more technique-oriented (a player like Dinamo Kiev's Milevsky comes to mind), how would that work in your opinion? And how would you tweak this tactic to work without a target man?

All in all great work, very refreshing after tons of self-proclamed "perfect-attack-dominate-treble-possession" tactics that accidentally tend to feature the likes of Messi Drogba Rooney Arshavin Ronaldo Xavi Fabregas etc... no disrespecting I'm sure they do work and took time to develop, I just look for different things and ideas in a tactic.

Thank you for the indepth feedback. On the targetman front, I started off simply using an Advanced Forward which worked fine, but I thought to compliment the Poacher and give him an extra avenue, a quick targetman running onto through balls would work better. For my time it did, as I had two quickish strikers. But I really think just a bit of trial and error. Deep Lying Forward would be good for a Milevskyi style striker, or give my first effort a go with Advanced Forward.

Glad your having some success.
 
No problem man.

yeah right now this "athletic TM/creative poacher" combo is doing fine for me so I'm going to stick with it. The TM in particular is scoring for fun and his movement seems a key for the team at the moment.

At the end of the season I'll go for Milevsky (I just like him, like his stats and like his price) and try to set him as a "creative target-man" (Ibrahimovic style) or as a more conventional advanced forward.

I'll just keep on testing & tweaking!

 
No problem man.

yeah right now this "athletic TM/creative poacher" combo is doing fine for me so I'm going to stick with it. The TM in particular is scoring for fun and his movement seems a key for the team at the moment.

At the end of the season I'll go for Milevsky (I just like him, like his stats and like his price) and try to set him as a "creative target-man" (Ibrahimovic style) or as a more conventional advanced forward.

I'll just keep on testing & tweaking!

Ace stuff :)
 
im using this tactic still before i used it i was 4th from bottom with leicester in prem downloaded tactic and from the min i applyed it its done its job im now 4th from top beating the big clubs like man city and drawing 3-3 with chelsea its an excellent tactic highly recommended i started using this against spurs
 
im using this tactic still before i used it i was 4th from bottom with leicester in prem downloaded tactic and from the min i applyed it its done its job im now 4th from top beating the big clubs like man city and drawing 3-3 with chelsea its an excellent tactic highly recommended i started using this against spurs
Wicked stuff man! Seems pretty successful with relegation sides!
 
ok... how about half seasson... youll get complete report :D
 
ok... how about half seasson... youll get complete report :D
Much appreciated. Who you managing?

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Anymore feedback?
 
i won 7 ina row then cudnt win in 15 with it, maybe have 1 for away games and 1 for home?
 
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