WARNING: To all people that use "Instant Result".

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Guys, every year I create a similar thread to warn people that using "Instant Result" isn't the same as you play in "normal" way because your assistant manager might tweak your tactic and that might have unpredictable consequences.

You can find out that your tactic was tweaked when you used "Instant Result" for some match if you got to the fixtures and watch that match.

There are two major ways to see that your tactic was tweaked:

1) Watch how your players behave during the match and find out if there's any difference in their behavior compare to how they should behave according to their Roles/Duties/PIs/TI. Of course, for an average FM player it isn't that simple task because you need to have a huge experience in ME to find any difference.

2) Some roles and some duties might be revealed during set pieces because they always take positions during set pieces according their role and duty.




I want to say that I'm a big fun of "Instant Result" thing and I really like it because it's very fun to play with it and it allows you to play many seasons at very short period of time so every year I hope that finally I can play with "Instant Result" only and this year wasn't exclusion but recently my hopes were broken because I found out that this year FM wasn't any different than any previous year FM when it comes to using "Instant Result" and your assistant manager might tweak your tactic again when you use "Instant Result".

Here's a story how I found it this year. I very regret that I didn't check it long time ago. I don't know something made me think that this year "Instant Result" finally must work without changing your tactic and I was so sure about that I didn't even try to check earlier.

Ok, here's how I found it, I decided to play my 2nd season in EPL with Bristol City using only "Instant Result" and after 17 matches my result were loking like this:


To say honestly, I was shoked and just couldn't believe in such poor results because I had a quite strong team already and I started to find out what the **** was going on and went to the fixtures to watch how the matches were played and I immediately noticed that my ML didn't play as Wide Midfielder(Attack) and his role was changed to Wide Playmaker and in order to be 100% sure about that I checked his position during set pieces and by that I got an additional confirmation that his role/duty, definitely, wasn't Wide Midfielder(Attack). As you can see at the screenshot the players that played at MR position had Wide Midfielder(Attack) role/duty but the player that played at ML position had a different role, probably, it was Wide Playmaker, as I said I also watched how they played during the match and I clearly saw that ML didn't play like Wide Midfielder(Attack):



So this year FM hasn't changed and your assistant manager still might tweak the roles/duities in your tactic if he doesn’t happy about them when you use "Instant Result".

I used Vincenzo Grifo as ML and as you can see he had a very low rating for "Wide Midfielder" and a very high rating for "Wide Playmaker" so my assistant manager always was changing his role to Wide Playmaker instead of Wide Midfielder when I used "Instant Result" and you can see what consequences it had ;) :


I didn't check all other positions in the tactic because what I saw was enough already to stop trust to "Instant Result". As I said there's nothing new in my finding because "Instant Result" worked that way in the previous FM versions but I hoped that this year FM was free of it.

Heh, now just think that many people here test tactic by using "Instant Result" and that's why we see that some people say that some tactic works for them and other people say that this doesn’t work becasue you might have totally difference experience with the same tactic when you play with Instant Result and when you normally play matches.



P.S. Ehhh... Soon, I'll try to create a good tactic for "Instant Result", I've got some ideas how to do that probably this tactic will be less efficient than SUNFIRE V1 when you play matches in normal way but I hope it'll be showing close performance.
 
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Heh... Guys, I think I found some trick how to make your assistant manger not to change the roles in your tactic when you use "Instant Result" adn if everything is ok then l'll upload tonight a tweaked version of SUNFIRE tactic that can be used with "Instant Result".
 
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Looking forward to it, and please explain how you accomplish that. I really like to use instant result a lot. Who wants to watch a whole match of your side hammering a relegation candidate at home, when the next match is Liverpool vs Manchester City for example? I like to get to the tough matches and play those in normal!
 
Hmm. I might be stupid to ask, but what is Instant result? I always thought it was an expressing for result at once you put the tactic in. Am I totally wrong?
 
Thanks TFF for reassuring my general opinion about Instant results. You gave very good details. In theory, if you have the players who are best in that position where thes supposed to play, it would mean that Assman do not change anything?

PS: Simulate game and instant result are not having the same way of working, if I am not mistaken.
 
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Heh... Guys, I think I found some trick how to make your assistant manger not to change the roles in your tactic when you use "Instant Result" adn if everything is ok then l'll upload tonight a tweaked version of SUNFIRE tactic that can be used with "Instant Result".
The dream is alive people!
 
TFF, have you tried the same thing on FM Touch? Maybe the instant result isn't working alright on full FM because it was not designed to be used, but on FM Touch there is a native Instant Result. I get a bit better results on FM Touch Instant results comparing to full FM.
 
Instant result the AI will mess with your tactic, but what about simulate result TFF? It says the AI will use your tactic and starting XI? Its different from instant result.
 
instant results are so random

Instant result the AI will mess with your tactic, but what about simulate result TFF? It says the AI will use your tactic and starting XI? Its different from instant result.

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The option to Instant Result on PC uses your current tactics. This option is "Simulate Match" on Tablet.
Instant Result on Tablet hands over full control to your assistant for Tactics and Team Selection, and this option is not on PC."

When you've hacked in Instant Result into a skin, this is just the same as "Simulate Match", only difference being you won't be able to do Match Plans
 
To anyone having your ASM pick "tweak" your tactics then hire one who has better Tactical Knowledge and when he has a full appreciation of the squad then he should in theory stick to your tactical approach during the instant result feature, (same for if you holiday, i believe)
 
Looking forward to it, and please explain how you accomplish that. I really like to use instant result a lot. Who wants to watch a whole match of your side hammering a relegation candidate at home, when the next match is Liverpool vs Manchester City for example? I like to get to the tough matches and play those in normal!

Sure, latter today I'll upload the tactic explain everything.



Thanks TFF for reassuring my general opinion about Instant results. You gave very good details. In theory, if you have the players who are best in that position where thes supposed to play, it would mean that Assman do not change anything?

PS: Simulate game and instant result are not having the same way of working, if I am not mistaken.

Instant result the AI will mess with your tactic, but what about simulate result TFF? It says the AI will use your tactic and starting XI? Its different from instant result.

TFF, have you tried the same thing on FM Touch? Maybe the instant result isn't working alright on full FM because it was not designed to be used, but on FM Touch there is a native Instant Result. I get a bit better results on FM Touch Instant results comparing to full FM.


First of all, officially the full game doesn't support "Instant Result" option despite many people have been asking for it but guys from SI always have been answering that it never won't happen due some reasons and what reasons we only can guess.

So there's only one way to get "Instant Result" option to the full game mode from FM Touch mode is install any skin that add this option to the full game mode, of course, you do that at your own risk.

If we look at the "Instant Result" option in FM Touch mode where it's officially supported we'll see that there's only "Instant Result" option and that's all :


INSTANT RESULT IN FM TOUCH MODE
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But if we look at the "Instant Result" option that a instant result skin adds to the full game mode we'll that there are 2 options : "Simumalte Match" and "Instant Result". Please notice that the full game mode officially doesn't support "Instant Result" otpion and we only can guess how outdate the code for it in the full game mode because you can see that it still has 2 options when there's only 1 option in FM Touch mode where it's officially supported:


INSTANT RESULT IN THE FULL GAME MODE WITH A SKIN:
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So as you can see the options that any instant result skin adds to the full game and their description are greatly outdated and guys from SI probably haven't looked there for ages and we can't blame them for that because the full game mode officially doesn't support the Instant Result option.

But I see that suing "Simulate math" option without any match plans in the full game mode with a instant result skin works the same way as “Instant Result” option without match plans in FM Touch mode so probably, it would safe to say that at least it works the same.

Of course, I've tried to use "Instant Result" in FM Touch mode where it's officially supported and also saw that the assistant manager also sometime tweaked your tactic if he didn't like something in it. There's nothing new about it and the same was in any previous FM versions.


I wish the instant result skin worked for me :(

Do you have some problems to install an instant result skin? Or what do you mean?
 
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Works like a charm with Simulate match. Bossing the league with team that's predicted to finish 10. Only bought left back, since i have no money, so players aren't perfect for tactic. Sunfire v1
 
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Works like a charm with Simulate match. Bossing the league with team that's predicted to finish 10. Only bought left back, since i have no money, so players aren't perfect for tactic. Sunfire v1

The thing is that it's not necessary that your assistant manager tweaks the tactic when you use "Instant Result" and it depends on your players suitable for the roles and the "thinking" of your assistant manger.

The worst thing about it is that you never can be sure that he won’t change anything.

I found some way around how to stop your assistant manager to change roles in your tactic if you use generic roles(follow the link to find out about how to do that, Post #4655) -----> http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/share-download-fm-16-tactics/351959-devastator-466.html#post2954359
 
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