So let me just explain my current situation, which is quite typical for each of my saves then I will later post some screenshots: So I have started with West Ham, I had a very good first 20-24 games, after the first games I really set up a very solid defensive counter attacking tactic. I had one of the best defenses, were third in the league, just 4 points behind the scnd and I was in the quarter finals of the euro league... but all of a sudden, nothing went right in the league... I lost 5 games in a row against weaker oppositions and I conceded almost in every single key scenes of the opposition, I couldnt badly hit anything, even the situations, which might usually end up with a goal, hit either the post or the keeper made a save. The mysterical part was, since I was playing with a defensive mentality, I could really rely on my defence, so usually when the opposition parked the bus and I couldnt score, the games often ended 0-0, but after a while my defence had gaps like a swiss cheese... the more mysterical part was, I slipped until the 9th place, but won the carling cup and the euro league, I beat shakthar, valencia and bordeaux in the finals. Tactic was still going well in the cup and in europe but I could only manage 2 wins from the last 9-10 league games. So in the next season I made some smaller tweaks, removed opposition instuctions, changed striker role and it really started pretty well, quarter finals in the champions league just 3 points behind the league leaders and I once again had this bad run after 24-16 games, I saw the disaster coming and I just changed my striker role and it was so unbelievable, I managed to win the league, beating city, tottenham, liverpool away and manu at home. we finished the season with just 24 goals conceding. but third season same ****, I continue with the same tactic, in the scnd half of the season I get an unbelievable run, the last 3 league gams 4-1, 4-1, 5-1 and all of a sudden, it happens again, I am losing against bottom side teams, getting trashed in away games against decent teams, they rip my defence off even though I had the best defence last season and were at 1st place in the current season... I am really desperate and doesnt know what to do.. I wonder, how those tactic creators, who upload their tactics manage to have success constantly over years... just 3-4 games of good runs and my team gets cocky and so on and everything ends up in a disaster. I always get a an assistant manager with good man management, discipline, motivation and determination attributes and let him handle interviews, team talks and so on... I dont want to believe, that team talks may play such a huge role. Also can not think about AI cracking my tactic up after a while, since at least I would still expect to keep my good defensive work, but it always looks like the defensive set up, which was the best in the last two seasons suddenly is just a bunch of headless chickens... I would really be glad if we could have a discussion about potential factors, since I guess, I am not the only one experiencing this problem...
With every single team, every single tactic, suddenly nothing goes right...
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Why don't you ask those tactic creators why they can just press continue for 5 seasons?
You start doing well (and relying on the space teams leave behind) and so the next time they meet you, they're much more cautious. That drastically affects the space available to you.
Secondly, there's a lot more pressure in the final few games of a season, so that also can play a part, especially if you have an intricate, tippy tappy tactic that relies on absolute confidence, skill and composure.
Thirdly, the AI cannot crack your tactic. If they line up differently against you the next time, it's because you nailed them and they're cautious this time.
Finally, on the subject of the tippy tappy tactics, in Dec/Jan when you start experiencing this, is the worst time of the year, both in terms of match scheduling and weather. You're playing with tired players in boggy conditions, so be careful of those tactics, especially when confidence starts to drop.
You start doing well (and relying on the space teams leave behind) and so the next time they meet you, they're much more cautious. That drastically affects the space available to you.
Secondly, there's a lot more pressure in the final few games of a season, so that also can play a part, especially if you have an intricate, tippy tappy tactic that relies on absolute confidence, skill and composure.
Thirdly, the AI cannot crack your tactic. If they line up differently against you the next time, it's because you nailed them and they're cautious this time.
Finally, on the subject of the tippy tappy tactics, in Dec/Jan when you start experiencing this, is the worst time of the year, both in terms of match scheduling and weather. You're playing with tired players in boggy conditions, so be careful of those tactics, especially when confidence starts to drop.
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Thank you very much for the quick and detailed response, seems like there are some aspects, which I did not know before. So what exactly do you mean with tippy tappy tactic? I am currently trying to recreate the Simeone tactic, but using a 4123 instead of a 442, as I think, it is a much more solid formation in midfield. So I have a very high defence line, playing very fluid, more closing down and quick tempo. the idea is, I want every single player to first think at the defence. scnd idea is, I am playing fm since 2011 and I noticed that the most successfull tactics are always those with high d-lines. you can not really create something with very deep d-line as you get too much pressure and AI finds always ways to crack that bus. it makes sense, what you say, since I am always experiencing those downstrings like when we are 20-24 games into the season. until there, everything looks like the new "god tactic" but from then everything falls apart. how do I know whether my tactic is really based on good morale, confidence and so on? And from what you say, do you think, it might be a better idea if I tried to create a tactic that is more concerned with being active and letting the opposition play and hoping that theyre leaving space behind? I had never a tactic, where I was really comfortable in away matches (been the best away team since 2 seasons), especially against bigger top teams but when it comes to the likes of relegation contenders, it often ends 0-0, 1-1 or 0-1...
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It all depends on the tactic. It's usually 1 of 2 variants.
Either it's very short, very quick passing (tippy tappy) or it's a very attacking, fast moving tactic. Sometimes it's both. What it usually has in common is a lack of decent movement, so when teams start sitting back, you struggle. That's the most common reason.
Defensive tactics 'work' very well, especially on this version where counter attacking is finally decent. Of course just going too deep is not the best idea though.
Although, without specifics, it's all just general opinion.
I guess, in order to really start with something solid, I might be using a defensive 442, as I think, it might be the formation, where you can really split the team into two halves and where you can still play a very high closing down with deeper d-line, since you got two strikers and very narrow wingers who could push upfront and the two central midfielders who sit deeper and build a block in front of the defence... just one question: if I set up my midfielders to close down less or sometimes, but I give the opposition instructions to always close down the opposition dmc's and wingers, will my cm's still get caught too often outside of their places and will be running like headless chickens, or will the wingers, who will have the settings to close down aggressively a lot do this job?
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If you set the midfielders to close down less, but then pretty much ask them in the OIs to close down more, then it will basically cancel each other out.
View attachment 153131View attachment 153130 442 defensive in my new save, running pretty well so far. what I did after I noticed I am conceding too many goals was to completetly remove opposition instructions, really break the shape of my tactic and also removed run at opposition team instruction, as I felt my players are going to often into 1o1 situations, where I lose the ball and get caught on the counter, since then its also defensively very solid, hope this can continue a little bit