2014 World Cup thread

And I'll argue Mascherano was more worthy than Messi even if we just take the Argentina team alone. But you know what, we all know he wasn't considered because where he plays for the team.

I like how literally nobody mentioned Mascherano until, what, the quarters? The semis?

Masch had a great tournament. Messi had a better one.

I'm bringing up Zaha because you think I mean Messi is over-hyped as a player, clearly not.

...what? That makes no sense. Zaha literally has no relevance at all to the situation. You've just brought up a player I like and exaggeratedly support on this forum to the lengths no human would actually support, QUITE OBVIOUSLY, just to go 'HURR DURR BUT WILF ZAHA AMIRITE LOL GUISE ITS A FUNNY THING BECAUSE GC LIKES WILF ZAHA'

I'm talking about in certain situations, are you really trying to justify Messi getting the golden ball or am I missing the point of your long replies?

I'm trying to point out how ******* stupid everyone's knee jerk overreactions are. Messi's an entirely fine golden ball winner. It's not some kind of terrible happening that heralds the end times. Messi was one of the standout players over the course of this entire World Cup, and very nearly managed to emulate Maradona in carrying a substandard team with one or two highly-performing others to a WC win. He didn't deserve it the most - Mueller did, Rodriguez would've been fine too, but Robben didn't - but at worst he was the third best candidate. That does not make it an embarrassment or outrageous.
 
Yeah Messi dragged his team to the Finals but surely, Muller deserved it more?
 
Right.... and.... Real Madrid aren't a club to throw big money at young pretty white faces? Of course they'll bid huge, just to make a point as well, like always.

It'll have to be historically huge. I'm talking 120 million. Monaco are LOADED.

A joke to the man who watches football, do you really have to over-analyse everything. I'm over-reacting to such a ridiculous decision to give Messi golden ball and you're here being Mr.Analyst on my every word.

If you don't want to have your opinion called out, don't voice it on a public forum.

Pretty good by a normal man's standards, not for him. Still would of chose others, you expect more from Messi than what he delivered IMO.

What the ****. 'Pretty good'? Who the **** have you been watching play football, the ******* child of Di Stefano and Cruyff?

Yeah Messi dragged his team to the Finals but surely, Muller deserved it more?

Undeniably.
 
I'm trying to point out how ******* stupid everyone's knee jerk overreactions are. Messi's an entirely fine golden ball winner. It's not some kind of terrible happening that heralds the end times. Messi was one of the standout players over the course of this entire World Cup, and very nearly managed to emulate Maradona in carrying a substandard team with one or two highly-performing others to a WC win. He didn't deserve it the most - Mueller did, Rodriguez would've been fine too, but Robben didn't - but at worst he was the third best candidate. That does not make it an embarrassment or outrageous.

Oh my lord and beyond. Messi scores a few goals and he suddenly carries a team. He practically done nothing in most games and scored the odd goal. What did he do in the knockout stages apart from that goal vs Swiss?

In what way is this Argentina side being carried by and sub-par? They have loads of good players. Aguero, Higuain, Di Maria, Garay, Enzo Perez (over the last few seasons has really come on), Palacio, Biglia, Mascherano, Zabaleta.

Some of them alone are world-class and others of them are just ****** great players! Can we not over-hype the situation about Messi carrying this team, thank you very much, it isn't below par either, it's a very good team with very good players mostly.
 
Maybe I because I didn't like Argentina and the fact that I have placed some money on Muller winning the Golden Ball and if he does it would net me $200 ****** me off. I just feel that this award is a bit stupid, they are always giving it to the team that lost the Finals.
 
Maybe I because I didn't like Argentina and the fact that I have placed some money on Muller winning the Golden Ball and if he does it would net me $200 ****** me off. I just feel that this award is a bit stupid, they are always giving it to the team that lost the Finals.

I'm really annoyed with myself now. I got the score right. Each time this happens when I DON'T put money on :'(
 
I'm really annoyed with myself now. I got the score right. Each time this happens when I DON'T put money on :'(
Every time when I'm losing quite a few bets and decides to take a break, my predictions are suddenly accurate as ****. I think the gambling gods likes to mess with me.
 
Oh my lord and beyond. Messi scores a few goals and he suddenly carries a team. He practically done nothing in most games and scored the odd goal. What did he do in the knockout stages apart from that goal vs Swiss?

Argentina 2-1 Bosnia: Messi sends in a dangerous free kick that Kolasinac can only put into his own net, before hitting an 18 yarder in off the post. He has, in all senses, carried the team through this match.

Argentina 1-0 Iran: The entire team does **** all. Messi finally says '**** it' and scores an absolute pearler. Without Messi, they draw at best.

Nigeria 2-3 Argentina: Goalfest. Argentina can't defend the long ball to a pacey striker, with Mascherano entirely nullified by the Nigerians bypassing him. Messi scores two and puts in the corner which Rojo scores from. He doesn't play, they lose.

Argentina 1-0 Switzerland: Messi provides the extra-time dribble and defence-splitting pass the Di Maria slots home. If you're keeping count, this is the fourth game Messi has provided game-winning goals or assists.

Argentina 1-0 Belgium: The first game in which Messi doesn't effect the result directly, but he still puts in a superlative performance, giving the entire Belgian team the runaround. ****, he was even involved in the build up to the goal after beating two players and giving it to Di Maria to pass to Higuain.

Netherlands 0-0 Argentina, ARG win on pens: Marked by De Jong constantly and the rest of the midfield sporadically, Messi pulls around the opposition due to being double and triple marked. The rest of the attack do **** all. Mascherano is magnificent in a game suited to him.

Germany 1-0 Argentina: Messi is his team's only attacking outlet. Higuain was awful, Aguero useless.

Seriously. You have to be ******* retarded to not think Messi carried his team.

In what way is this Argentina side being carried by and sub-par? They have loads of good players. Aguero, Higuain, Di Maria, Garay, Enzo Perez (over the last few seasons has really come on), Palacio, Biglia, Mascherano, Zabaleta.

Cool, and how many of them actually played well? Aguero was bollocks all tournament, Higuain did nothing other than his excellent goal against Belgium, Di Maria played alternately very well and terribly, Garay was good but nothing more, Enzo Perez wasn't even used until Di Maria got injured, Palacio was hardly used (and wasn't good when he was), Biglia shouldn't have been played ahead of Gago but did okay, Mascherano had a good tournament like I said, and Zabaleta was his usual consistent self.

You're a fool if you think a group of talented individuals equals a very good team. Just look at Spain: they had Casillas, Pique, Alba, Azpilicueta, Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Diego Costa and so on and so forth. Doesn't mean they were good. Much like this Argentina side, they were much less than the sum of their parts.

Some of them alone are world-class and others of them are just ****** great players! Can we not over-hype the situation about Messi carrying this team, thank you very much, it isn't below par either, it's a very good team with very good players mostly.

No. Just try and tell me this team would've made it past the group stages without Messi. Go and look at the results, watch the matches, look at Messi pulling his team from the depths time and again, and tell me this team is legitimately the second best in the entire competition.
 
Oh my lord and beyond. Messi scores a few goals and he suddenly carries a team. He practically done nothing in most games and scored the odd goal. What did he do in the knockout stages apart from that goal vs Swiss?

In what way is this Argentina side being carried by and sub-par? They have loads of good players. Aguero, Higuain, Di Maria, Garay, Enzo Perez (over the last few seasons has really come on), Palacio, Biglia, Mascherano, Zabaleta.

Some of them alone are world-class and others of them are just ****** great players! Can we not over-hype the situation about Messi carrying this team, thank you very much, it isn't below par either, it's a very good team with very good players mostly.


They have loads of quality players. Very few who turned up. They spent the group totally relying on Messi to do something to drag them through.

EDIT: GC just wrecked it. We might as well end the debate.
 
They have loads of quality players. Very few who turned up. They spent the group totally relying on Messi to do something to drag them through.

EDIT: GC just wrecked it. We might as well end the debate.

When we were drunk once we made a pact to stop arguing with stupid people.

We're both bad friends.
 
At the risk of drawing GC's ire, Aguero was only half fit throughout the tournament which is probably why he put in such a poor showing.
 
At the risk of drawing GC's ire, Aguero was only half fit throughout the tournament which is probably why he put in such a poor showing.

Oh sure, I'll agree with that. I wasn't bashing Aguero for being a poor playing, just performing badly, whether through lack of fitness or whatever. Really makes you wonder why Sabella insisted on shoehorning him in. Lavezzi would've been more useful, given them more natural width. No idea why he was taken off at HT tonight!
 
They have loads of quality players. Very few who turned up. They spent the group totally relying on Messi to do something to drag them through.

EDIT: GC just wrecked it. We might as well end the debate.

He does it to me all the time. It's annoying :@ lol.

Dam him and his common sense attitude
 

That games vs Bosnia it's ridiculous to say the defender can only put it into the back of his net, you mean he made a mistake and put into his own net.... don't see why Messi deserves any real golden boot winner material credit for this, it was a good ball though.

Vs Iran - Can hardly argue it was a great strike but he was poor up to that very last point.

Vs Nigeria - Can't argue with that.

Vs Swiss - Already mentioned his goal was good and the dribble was nothing special to be honest, he did it and Di Maria still had a hard finish to score the goal.

Vs Belguim - No... just no... he was rubbish this game, honestly I swear you would make a case for him if he passed the ball sideways before the goal.

Vs Netherlands - Done nothing again.

Vs Germany - Done very little again.

All in all, if we take the exaggerated points out of it where you have credited him when he's poor as well, he's had a few good games with a few good goals. Not golden ball worthy I'm sorry, you really could make a case for anyone if you analysed it as much as you are with everything he does, even crediting him with a corner? Really. Loads of players take good corners, no way you can use that as a case for being a golden ball winner and plenty other examples like the dribble before Di Maria scored, was really nothing that great about it. Etc etc.

It's easy to say these players are useless but I notice 4 clean sheets in 7 games, so you're doing a dis-service to the defence and especially Mascherano, if we really wanted to we could point out a good thing he did in each game to justify him getting golden ball.

Higuain played his part, great finish vs Belguim,

Di Maria is overlooked again, his importance to the team can't be under-estimated, he constantly got the team further up the pitch with his dribbles and was a good finish vs Swiss. His versatility alone made him very useful.

We can go on and on... but Messi didn't carry this team, they had a solid defence throughout most games and I'd argue this team is pretty much built round Messi. Take him out of it and you can suddenly add Higuain and Aguero together or some other great partnerships which can happen, maybe they would benefit anyway, it's hard to predict.

All in all, you've done a mighty fine job of trying to pick out any single thing you can to justify him carrying a team that has been built through him and more importantly has had a very tight defence anyway so the point is immediately mooted.
 
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Fred's retired from international football. I'd encourage everyone to read his press release, it's absolutely heartbreaking.

He does it to me all the time. It's annoying :@ lol.

Dam him and his common sense attitude

No, I just have too much time on my hands. ;)
 
That games vs Bosnia it's ridiculous to say the defender can only put it into the back of his net, you mean he made a mistake and put into his own net.... don't see why Messi deserves any real credit for this, it was a good ball.

Vs Iran - Can hardly argue it was a great strike but he was poor up to that very last point.

Vs Nigeria - Can't argue with that.

Vs Swiss - Already mentioned his goal was good and the dribble was nothing special to be honest, he did it and Di Maria still had a hard finish to score the goal.

Vs Belguim - No... just no... he was rubbish this game, honestly I swear you would make a case for him if he passed the ball sideways before the goal.

Vs Netherlands - Done nothing again.

Vs Germany - Done very little again.

All in all, if we take the exaggerated points out of it where you have credited him when he's poor as well, he's had a few good games with a few good goals. Not golden ball worthy I'm sorry, you really could make a case for anyone if you analysed it as much as you are with everything he does, even crediting him with a corner? Really. Loads of players take good corners, no way you can use that as a case for being a golden ball winner and plenty other examples like the dribble before Di Maria scored, was really nothing that great about it. Etc etc.

It's easy to say these players are useless but I notice 4 clean sheets in 7 games, so you're doing a dis-service to the defence and especially Mascherano, if we really wanted to we could point out a good thing he did in each game to justify him getting golden ball.

Higuain played his part, great finish vs Belguim,

Di Maria is overlooked again, his importance to the team can't be under-estimated, he constantly got the team further up the pitch with his dribbles and was a good finish vs Swiss. His versatility alone made him very useful.

We can go on and on... but Messi didn't carry this team, they had a solid defence throughout most games and I'd argue this team is pretty much built round Messi. Take him out of it and you can suddenly add Higuain and Aguero together or some other great partnerships which can happen, maybe they would benefit anyway, it's hard to predict.

All in all, you've done a mighty fine job of trying to pick out any single thing you can to justify him carrying a team that has been built through him and more importantly has had a very tight defence anyway so the point is immediately mooted.


Quit while you're most certainly behind.
 
That games vs Bosnia it's ridiculous to say the defender can only put it into the back of his net, you mean he made a mistake and put into his own net.... don't see why Messi deserves any real credit for this, it was a good ball.

Vs Iran - Can hardly argue it was a great strike but he was poor up to that very last point.

Vs Nigeria - Can't argue with that.

Vs Swiss - Already mentioned his goal was good and the dribble was nothing special to be honest, he did it and Di Maria still had a hard finish to score the goal.

Vs Belguim - No... just no... he was rubbish this game, honestly I swear you would make a case for him if he passed the ball sideways before the goal.

Vs Netherlands - Done nothing again.

Vs Germany - Done very little again.

All in all, if we take the exaggerated points out of it where you have credited him when he's poor as well, he's had a few good games with a few good goals. Not golden ball worthy I'm sorry, you really could make a case for anyone if you analysed it as much as you are with everything he does, even crediting him with a corner? Really. Loads of players take good corners, no way you can use that as a case for being a golden ball winner and plenty other examples like the dribble before Di Maria scored, was really nothing that great about it. Etc etc.

It's easy to say these players are useless but I notice 4 clean sheets in 7 games, so you're doing a dis-service to the defence and especially Mascherano, if we really wanted to we could point out a good thing he did in each game to justify him getting golden ball.

Higuain played his part, great finish vs Belguim,

Di Maria is overlooked again, his importance to the team can't be under-estimated, he constantly got the team further up the pitch with his dribbles and was a good finish vs Swiss. His versatility alone made him very useful.

We can go on and on... but Messi didn't carry this team, they had a solid defence throughout most games and I'd argue this team is pretty much built round Messi. Take him out of it and you can suddenly add Higuain and Aguero together or some other great partnerships which can happen, maybe they would benefit anyway, it's hard to predict.

All in all, you've done a mighty fine job of trying to pick out any single thing you can to justify him carrying a team that has been built through him and more importantly has had a very tight defence anyway so the point is immediately mooted.
Not really. Let's face it, this Argentina would have been eliminated very very early if they do not have Messi. The team could only defend as a unit and then send balls forward blindly hoping that Messi could get to the end of it. That was how bad they were. When they were given possession they have no idea what to do with the ball. Aguero was horrendous, Di Maria was hot and cold, Lavezzi the same, it basically feels like everyone is playing for themselves. Only when Messi gets the ball things could happen.
 
I've just caught eye on the stats for Fred and Neymar while reading the story about Fred's retirement. Wow.
 
Quit while you're most certainly behind.

That sentence reply is pretty useless Mike, he's ****** credited Messi with every tiny thing he can, a corner? an own goal? give me a break. A over-hyped dribble? Take them away and he's done nothing in the matches. You can literally make more of a point for other players to get golden ball than him.
 
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