exactly, even though there is clearly more to this club
exactly, even though there is clearly more to this club
While I appreciate the fact that you went to all that effort to prove me wrong, the point still stands that you have issues with understanding that other peoples opinion is as valid as your own. Also, considering you have apparently responded to all point's made, I would like to hear your thoughts on a point posted earlier, by me, which you have missed. I would be interested to read your thoughts on it when I get back from eating my tea.
Also, well done for not trying to insult anyone in your previous post.
Well, I'm sure coke is pretty popular in Russia, and Russia does have a very large population, add the factor that Anzhi is basically a Moscow team and you've got a pretty good market pool.
But I realize coke was only an example. There probably is a difference in sponsorship deals, but how much is quite debatable. Would a relatively unknown player (he isn't quite a superstar) make significantly more sponsorship money his first year in Spain or England than he would in Russia where he is likely to become one of the more popular players in the league within a year? Surely shoe companies would give him a fair deal for the Russian market.
True, he is not yet a superstar yet, while he might become a superstar in Russia in a year, there was/is also a good chance he could have become a high profile player in one of the top European leagues, it may have taken a year or so longer. With the added exposure to the population of Europe, or even the world, he would get from playing in Spain/England/Italy/Germany, because, as far as I am aware, these leagues are followed, and watched, by other countries. Considering you get fans of Liverpool, Man United, Real Madird, Barcelona, etc, all over the world, raising his global profile would increase his marketing potential to a much higher extent than playing for a Russian team.
For example, I heard quite allot about McGeady, even considering he was playing for Celtic, before he moved to Spartak, now I hear relatively little of him, although, I admit we here in England will obviously take more of an interest in the Scottish game, rather than the Russian game, currently anyway. While McGeady may still be a big name in Ireland, much like I imagine Dzsudzask will be in his homeland wherever he moved to, the rest of Europe haven't heard as much about him compared to if he had moved to one of Europe's top 4 leagues.
Although you have to commend Anzhi, signings like this will get them noticed.
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Again, why should he?
Because he doesnt need the money, he should want to be remember as a real European legend, He will never achieve that in Russia.
You keep saying the same thing, but don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that he shouldn't have to do what you or others believe is the right thing for him; he makes that decision himself.
Sure, if you were a professional footballer, then maybe you would have travelled a different route, but that doesn't make it the correct one.
He has chosen the path to the fastest and most secure financial security for him and his family, present and future - who are you to judge that?
You have also completely ignore the previous point to that point then i see, And off course it is what i would do i wouldnt post it otherwise. This little thing is called a forum, where people are meant to post there opinion on things, and mine strongly is this. For reason i have already explained.
To me it is the correct route as it is my opinion.
Un reasonable, AM i not allowed to form an opinion..? It seems that, if anything, everyone else is trying to stop me having my opinion.
Actually, it looks very much the other way - you seem to be questioning the player's motives and everyone else who thinks it's a good move - maybe not the best but good still.
So no-one is questioning my opinion on his Motives...
This is a forum, we are all meant to question each others posts and discuss them.... Get over it.
There's a difference between discussing and being narrow-minded throughout the better part of 15 pages. If you can't accept the fact a player may have motives different to your own for moving, I think it's you who should 'get over it'. AFAIK he can do whatever he wants with his life - so can you, mind. But I think acting like a stubborn 5 y/o on an internet forum is probably not the better way to spend your time, but feel free to do it, don't let me stop you!
Wow and then the Hypocrite would call me unreasonable....
You fail to see how this is not the best move for his footballing career, all the way through this thread, and that tbh, This shows the sad state how many rules career oppurtunities in football at this current time.
How exactly am I a hypocrite? Do you even know what being a hypocrite means?
Anyways, I'm done arguing with you, been boring since the second page. All 4 of my bedroom walls would've probably accepted the guys move by now, even if they disagreed with it.
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Can't say I wouldn't do the same.
Play for a mid table prem team/mid-midhigh BBVA etc. or earn good cash playing week in week out as the key player.
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And you can guarantee moving to a 'bigger club' would be better for his footballing career, were he may not get as many games, find it tougher to live there etc.
Don't go throwing about such statements without knowing any of the information behind his move.
Chances are money was a deciding factor, but there is nothing wrong with taking football as a job.
Play for a mid table prem team/mid-midhigh BBVA etc. or earn good cash playing week in week out as the key player.
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And you can guarantee moving to a 'bigger club' would be better for his footballing career, were he may not get as many games, find it tougher to live there etc.
Don't go throwing about such statements without knowing any of the information behind his move.
Chances are money was a deciding factor, but there is nothing wrong with taking football as a job.
I can guarentee nothing at all. Like no-one can..
But i can base my statement on previous knowledge, Players like Danny, Love all went to the "Big" Sides in russia, There talents where well knows, there names branded round europe yet neither have managed to cement there selves as great players, like the reputations would suggest. I am not going to say they arent Great players, but they wont be remember as great players in Europe, thats was sure. So seeing this why would you want to move there for a footballing career.
You then Say Move to a mid table side in the EPL, You mean like Berbatov for example did? Then used that to produce the plat form for a move to UTD. because that is the standarf Dzsudzsak could of got, a Europa league, top half side in any League. Earning decent money there to, He wouldnt of been short thats for sure.
There is nothing wrong with taking football as a job, but it my eyes, There is something very wrong in not wanting to test yourself at the highest level/ standard in any Job.
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You call me narrow minded and unreasonable, when i have accepted he can have different motives to me, doesnt mean i have to accept them. And then go on to call me a stubborn 5 Y/o, when your the one being immature, I have used any insults, slurs or slander for all of the 15 pages you claim i have posted for.
And You got bored on Page 2. Well i didnt argue with myself for 15 pages did I? No, it takes two to tango, so if you where that bored, you should of stopped earlier.
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Yet you quoted Hendersons move as a good one despite him turning down a Champions League for Liverpool. We cant be having double standards now can we?
You also said Dzsudza would be better off going to a team like Spurs as a stepping stone because it worked for Berbatov, but for every one it works for 2 it doesnt. So why should he risk that when he can go to Russia, earn more money, possibly become a hero there and possibly further his career even more?
PS, You owe me 30 quid
Yet you quoted Hendersons move as a good one despite him turning down a Champions League for Liverpool. We cant be having double standards now can we?
You also said Dzsudza would be better off going to a team like Spurs as a stepping stone because it worked for Berbatov, but for every one it works for 2 it doesnt. So why should he risk that when he can go to Russia, earn more money, possibly become a hero there and possibly further his career even more?
PS, You owe me 30 quid
First and for most, Why on gods green earth do i owe you 30 quid? :S.
Henderson moved to a stronger team with in his league, and yes Liverpool are a step forward for him, Are you really doing to deny that. I will also Guarentee you, He gets closer to winning the UCL with Liverpool, then Dzsudzsak will.
But surely the risk is worth it, He will still get paid very well where ever he goes. AS i said, Who was the last big European player to come out of the russian league, after moving there at his Age. Arshavin maybe? Even though he started in that league. Danny, Vagner Love have all not kicked on, SO why risk that for an extra 20k a week or woteva.
1st. Finally a post with some substance, yes players have faded away in Russia. But players fade away in any nation.
2nd. There is nothing "wrong" with what he did. Maybe he does want to test himself at the highest football, that's what his stated ambitions of going to Real or Barca indicate. So I'm not sure where you are getting that he doesn't want to and that he is "very wrong" regarding his personality. Fact is he didn't have an offer to test himself at highest level. He had an offer to make good immediate money and a chance to play in the CL and be one of the top stars in Russia (perhaps becoming a hero to Anzhi). Do I expect you to become an officer of an top corporation when you turn 24 Scott? No, sometimes you have to take steps to reach your goals and that is the prudent thing to do, certainly not "very wrong".