Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs

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tested various tactics and this is the only that transmits security.
 
k3k3 said:
tested various tactics and this is the only that transmits security.
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Spot on! It's not gonna give you that '50-game-unbeaten-streak' right off the bat but what it promises is consistency and once every variable of the game is settled (Morale, form, quality and luck), you might just get that winning streak or even better.

I think for those who are still struggling with it, it's perfectly fine to struggle initially. FM 2013 is a simulation of a real manager and it's probably shitload harder for the real thing so it's only realistic. Keep at it and have fun!
 
Hi,
had a quick look at most of the posts and haven't seen anyone mention about a struggle for goals.
Im playing with Man Utd and having Rooney and RVP up front but both are struggling to score consistent. The tactic is working fine, very consistent but I'm scraping wins. Possibly being greedy but I would like more goals.
I'm also playing on the Classic mode so have only limited control over training etc.
Any help or tips will be very much appreciated.
 
I should admit that this tactic provides safety BUT i score a few goals as a result if i get conceded a goal there are too many possibilities to draw or lose a game... I was using this tactic at the start of the season and until christmas holidays i had only 1 draw and 1 defeat, suddenly on jenuary i had 1W, 2D and 2L in 5 matches, so i looked for tweaks or other tactic because i lost all the point advantage i had
 
This tactic is really good and my Newcastle team had been strolling to being the league champions for the past 2 seasons already. However, it doesn't really work that well in UCL as I was eliminated in the quarters two years in a row (albeit I played RM and Barcelona respectively). Pretty satisfied with the tactic although I feel it could be improved.

The biggest issue for me about the tactic is the strikers. Very very often throughout the season that my strikers goes through a horrendous stretch of time without scoring goals and I don't really feel their impact in the game. I dragged the complete forward into the CAM role and got better results, but the striker upfront still isn't really banging them in consistently. I was doing this in hope of the lone striker having better chances of scoring.
 
Hei Sean and other „Sacchi fans“,
finished my 1st Swansea season with my own tactic 5th, then decided to switch to yours and grabbed 3rd place behind ManU and Spurs.
Now preparing to club’s first ever CL year and so got some marquee signings (you’ll see them later on).
I’m asking you (or any other member familiar with current tactic) to suggest me best line-up with these main players:
GK: Ospina
DR: Solly
DL: Coentrao, Davies, Taylor
DC: Cahill, Capuano, Williams, Chico, Bartley, Situ
DMC: Xabi Alonso, Barry, Britton, Ki Sung-Yeung, Romero, Hughes
MR: Lennon, Dyer, Brunt
ML: Coentrao, Brunt, Dyer, Diamanti (also Barry if needed)
ST: Villa, Jelavic, Helenius, Fierro, Diamanti
 
I really like the way this tactic to breaks on the counter, it's truly remarkable, and I agree with post #1362 it definitely has security and consistency.

Thanks for sharing. ;)
 
jiggyjimmy

Hey mate, haven't played the classic but I'll try and help as much as I can. Where are you playing RvP and Rooney? I'd suggest having Rooney as the CF and RvP as the ADF. This way, IMO Rooney acts as a supplier to RvP. Also, have you tried interacting with them post games? For example, if a player has a rating of 6.5, I'd warn him and tell him he needs to buck up via the player interaction, if it's worse, then a fine would do. This helps the player-manager relationship leading to better performances.

macchiavelli

That's usually a blip in form during the course of the season. It's perfectly normal. You'd just have to motivate the team more, shake up the starting line-ups with changes. Do team meetings. Fine/player interactions. Teamtalks. Anything that would help increase the morale. Check your set-piece takers? Did you have the best players to take it? Really helps if you're on the low and looking to grind wins to pick up the form. Also, play more defensive players when on the road. Lastly, have you tried exploiting the flanks when playing against a narrow formation?

dasty

Hey, have you checked out Sean's AMC tweak? Also, what's your current line-up? Are the players happy with their training? Team talks good? I find that if my strikers have a **** game, it's usually because of the supply, I'll look to make changes on the 65th minute mark replacing the Wingers especially.

transferking

DL : Coentrao would do well here.
DC : Capuano, Cahill? Not too sure mate but key to have them pacy!
DMC : Any will do as long as they have the attributes mention in the opening post.
MR/ML : Lennon or any pacy wingers, speed is key in the counter-attacking nature of this tactic. Also, be sure to have a more defensive minded wingers for those crunch games!
ST : I would think Villa and Fierro would do fine here.

Those are just my suggestions, I wouldn't know for sure if it will work but you can always check up on the important attributes from the opening post here just to be safe!

Ovro

I hear you mate. Just won the Serie A with Fiorentina, first season, original squad. Chuffed to bits but the board ain't too happy with the football being played. That's all gonna change with key signings in the summer!
 
thanks for this tactic mate, ive had 3 very successful seasons with southampton using it, winning everything possible :)

a few little tweaks i done to it, that seemed to help were:

tick target man - Adv forward
tick play maker - complete forward (so they recieve the ball more often)
tick target man supply - run onto ball
remove offside, because quick strikers always break loose.
tick counter attack to make use of the quick wingers.
 
Hey

Long term follower of this site but first time poster so bare with me :)

First of all thank you for a very very wellmade tactic and description. Im a big fan of high d-line pressure and fast build up tactics, as thats how I want football to be played - high risk equals high reward.
Usually I play a 4-2-3-1 tactic with inside forwards and attacking fullbacks but this time I wanted a more defensive tactic as its kinda hard to find those good inside forwards. And this tactic really shines in its defensive side and thats a very good way to start a tactic imho.

What I have changed and wants to improve is following:

I changed all my team to hard tackle, because watching the matches my players just didnt win the ball often enough and thats kinda the idea behind high pressure tactics. It made my DMs play better, starting more attacks and getting more possession in general. Ofcourse sometimes stuff can go wrong but overall it was a very big improvement for my team.
I have tested ticking counter attacks on because I think my team in general move the ball way to slow and miss out on alot of ccc´s - but again trying to gain more clear cut chances could make you have less possession so it could be a very bad trade off.

In general the tactic lacks better wing play - I got world class wingers and the produce way to little chances- Im gonna explore with taking down their creative freedom so they can start getting those crosses in. Missing out on alot of great chances from the wings makes many of my matches a struggle to make goals - the tactic is too much focused on getting the ball through the middle as thats where all the players are running. Would also like my fullbacks to contribute more with crosses in the attack - assist wise this tactics isent that great for em either.

Overall this tactic gets stuff done and is very consistent especially if you follow the rule of player attributes; Determination, Work Rate, Team Work, Stamina and in generel mental stats, but were it shines the most is in it high pressure defensive hard working team play rather than being a fantastic offensive playstyle.

You cant get it all I guess, but Ill keep tweaking until atleast my attack get more out of their potential.

Thanx again for making a fantastic tactic with vision and a gameplan. Thats excactly what manager games are about.
 
Playing as Arsenal third season and this is my current line up:
GK: Szczesny
RB: Sagna
LB: Gibbs
CB: Mertesacker (despite his lack of pace gets amazing ratings)
CB: Koscielny/Ashley Williams (from Swansea)
DM: Fellaini (from Everton)
DM: Vermaelen (retrained)/Garmash (D.Kiev)/Nkoulou (Marseille)
RM: Walcott/The Ox/Wilshere
LM: Wellington Nem (from Fluminense)/Podolski (re-trained)/Gervinho
AF: Falcao
CF: Giroud/Kweuke

Also have:
GK: Fabianski
Defenders: Jores Okore, Sokratis Papastathopoulos (re-trained RB/DM too), and Djourou.
Midfielders: Ramsey (being re-trained DM), Lorenzo Crisetig (from Inter)
Forwards: Lacina Traore (Anzhi)

Can anyone help me with any position advice? Like I'm trying to re-train Ramsey because he has great potential but I doubt he'd suit the role very well. Is passing that important for the DM's?

Looking for improvements on Sagna (getting old), Gibbs and Mertesacker (getting old too and that acceleration/pace is only going to get worse!) while I don't feel that Walcott and Podolski are the most productive wingers and I understand it's not their best positions but doubt they're good enough to start upfront in this system.
 
Has anyone tried converting this to a classic version? I know some tactics out there this year are working better in classic mode. It would be interesting if someone has the time to do this.
 
Just want to thank you for this amazing tactic! In my third season I'm 2nd in the championship with Bristol Rovers having won 8-1 vs Bolton and beating Arsenal on penalties being in front 3-0.

Also sorry 'bout the language. :P

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i applied your tweaks, they do work! using this with AS Monaco, about 12 games in and i haven't lost! :P
 
connors said:
Playing as Arsenal third season and this is my current line up:
GK: Szczesny
RB: Sagna
LB: Gibbs
CB: Mertesacker (despite his lack of pace gets amazing ratings)
CB: Koscielny/Ashley Williams (from Swansea)
DM: Fellaini (from Everton)
DM: Vermaelen (retrained)/Garmash (D.Kiev)/Nkoulou (Marseille)
RM: Walcott/The Ox/Wilshere
LM: Wellington Nem (from Fluminense)/Podolski (re-trained)/Gervinho
AF: Falcao
CF: Giroud/Kweuke

Also have:
GK: Fabianski
Defenders: Jores Okore, Sokratis Papastathopoulos (re-trained RB/DM too), and Djourou.
Midfielders: Ramsey (being re-trained DM), Lorenzo Crisetig (from Inter)
Forwards: Lacina Traore (Anzhi)

Can anyone help me with any position advice? Like I'm trying to re-train Ramsey because he has great potential but I doubt he'd suit the role very well. Is passing that important for the DM's?

Looking for improvements on Sagna (getting old), Gibbs and Mertesacker (getting old too and that acceleration/pace is only going to get worse!) while I don't feel that Walcott and Podolski are the most productive wingers and I understand it's not their best positions but doubt they're good enough to start upfront in this system.
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Natural positions > retraining. And notice you need rounded players with good mental skills and technical. The tactic doesent relly so much on pace. Only phisical attribute i consider is Stamina because it sustains the work rate. High Stamina and work rate gives you consistency while defending and attacking. The DM's are the most exposed to Fatigue. Your wingers would work best if they are more defensive minded ( u can swithc them with Wing Backs against bigger teams). Up front u need a clinical finisher and a good passer as a 2nd striker(support) that can set up some nice plays for your target man. CB's work well as good old fashioned defenders with tackling marking and heading , decisions determination concentration . Positioning is usefull as well as work rate.
 
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