Bielsa's 3-3-1-3

[schmargo69]

I have been trying to imitate Bielsa's 3-3-1-3 from the most recent WC. FM has trouble with this. I currently have the following setup

--GK--
--CB ----SW ----CB--
-----------DM-------
--WM-------------WM--
-----------AM---------
--ST----ST-------ST

The central striker is a complete forward, while the outer two are wingers. They provide attacking width, which allows the "wingbacks", which I've set to wide midfielders, to cut inside. They are essentially box to box midfielders, or holding midfielders, but move diagonally instead of vertically. Getting FM to replicate this is very difficult. Any suggestions?

 

[GodCubed]

Tell them to cut inside. If you can, find some that have the "cuts inside" PPM as well.

 

[schmargo69]

that sort of works, but cuts inside only has them move in when they have the ball. Ideally, they'd make those runs without the ball.

 

[Souty]

what team was this? Interesting tactic

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oh and have you tried setting the wingers to wing-back attack then mess about with the advanced section:S

 

[GodCubed]

what team was this? Interesting tactic

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/06/08/marcelo-bielsa-chile-world-cup-2010-tactics/

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that sort of works, but cuts inside only has them move in when they have the ball. Ideally, they'd make those runs without the ball.

Hm. Try adding "roam from position" as well as making them cross rarely, and give them lots of creative freedom.

 

[bray123]

i tried to recreate this with villareal, but i failed, mainly because i suck at making tactics

 

[schmargo69]

after half a season with arsenal, it's working much better than expected, but in strange ways. I've been too lazy to switch to his 4231 when up against single striker formations, but am 10 points clear at the top and didn't lose or draw a game until december. Currently nearing the end up january, and i've only conceded seven or eight goals--it was three in december though, things are starting to unwind.

Most goals come from what are essentially counter attacks, the tactic has trouble maintaing possession and controlling games. The ball moves forward too fast, and tends to bypass the playmaker. The three strikers usually pick up the ball around the halfway line and bomb forward, either scoring or losing the ball. I have about as many goals as all but the team in 2nd. So, for whatever reason, scoring is more of a problem than defense.

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PS ya I tried the wingbacks, it looks surprisingly similar to the wide midfielders, but they sit even wider and try to overlap the forwards, who are wide enough that it gets flat and weird. I wanted to use players that were more midfieldery, so I moved them forward and sold my fullbacks. I have sissoko/ramsey/nasri/wilshere filling those spots, though only sissoko is really strong enough defensively.