Closing down problem

[FanFang]

Hey guys.

I just signed up for this forum and hope to learn a lot about FM series.

My problem is this:

I play 4-2-3-1 with Schalke and try to emulate Dortmund gegenpressing tactic. But when I select hassle opponent my team presses like a bunch of mindless zombies. 3 people go after the same player and leaving their position completely free. Another problem is my AMC is not pressing at all and sitting so close to my FC, even though close down more and tight marking is selected. He is a advanced playmaker with attack duty.Whenever he is not pressing and just sitting somebody else is pressing instead of him so opponents find chances. I just watched 2013 CL final one more time and I really want my AMC to press like Reus did that match.

I really hope you can help me. Thanks a lot

 

[Igneos79]

dont use tight marking, hassle is good...not sure about your amc, the only role that doesnt press is a treq

 

[WJ]

dont use tight marking, hassle is good...not sure about your amc, the only role that doesnt press is a treq

Hassle Opponents automatically sets the players to tight mark, by the way.

 

[FanFang]

Without tight marking my team won't press the way Dortmund does. I want my team to press the player with the ball and the other players cover passing channels. It seems I can't do it and even smaller teams can shrug off our pressing and create chances.

 

[Igneos79]

Hassle Opponents automatically sets the players to tight mark, by the way.

nope, used to in previous fm's but not anymore

Without tight marking my team won't press the way Dortmund does. I want my team to press the player with the ball and the other players cover passing channels. It seems I can't do it and even smaller teams can shrug off our pressing and create chances.

You've got some setting wrong then. Hassle is pressing, tight marking will just make your players stick to their assigned players, which will prolly only disrupt your defence...I suggest experimenting with very fluid philosophy

 

[WJ]

nope, used to in previous fm's but not anymore

No. This was the case in FM13 and nothing has changed in the settings for these instructions. You can deny it, but it's a fact.

 

[Igneos79]

No. This was the case in FM13 and nothing has changed in the settings for these instructions. You can deny it, but it's a fact.

nope

 

[WJ]

nope

Then you go tell that to @cleon81 on twitter or SI forums. Cleon asked for these explanations directly from SI and he has also said that it hasn't changed for FM14. Are you still going to disagree? You're giving people the wrong information. Must I start linking the threads that state that the Team Instructions are still the same?

To the OP, pull your players in midfield back one strata.

 

[patrickstar]

fang fang do you find settings for this pressing.Cause i think it's impossible to press like that. Jonathan Wilson in his book name this the partial pressing like sacchi does. I tried so many attemps and my conclusion is this is impossible in the ME.Or maybe someone find a way to reproduce but humm i don't think so.

 

[Igneos79]

Then you go tell that to @cleon81 on twitter or SI forums. Cleon asked for these explanations directly from SI and he has also said that it hasn't changed for FM14. Are you still going to disagree? You're giving people the wrong information. Must I start linking the threads that state that the Team Instructions are still the same?

To the OP, pull your players in midfield back one strata.

I have no clue what they say on forums and twitter. I watch the game. You enable tight marking, your defence gets screwed. You don't enable tight marking, you don't concede as your players press the zone, not man. I can guess that cleon guy doesn't know much about football, and I can confirm by myself that si games forums moderator knows less about ME then me. I was writing there when I bought fm13, and pointed out the mistakes at one of the mods tactics. His answer proved to me he knows very little about the ME, even though he is the ME forum mod. It may seem like tight marking, but it's not. And it's easy to spot. With tight marking, your players follows his assigned opponent all around the pitch, especially if he has low creativity, and by doing so, leaves a gap in defence which is easy to exploit and you concede. Turn off tight marking, with hassling on, he will press the player in his assigned zone, and wont follow him out of it. Your other player in the next zone will take him on. That way, your players keep their positions and your defence is harder to brake. Hassling means pressing of a zone, hassling and tight marking means pressing of a man. I'm not sure if in previous patches this wasn't so, but I doubt it. The only time when you can see chaos without tight marking, is with high tempo, as you didn't give your players enough time to set up a proper zone. Tight marking can work with or without hassling only on poorer quality opponents. The ME is brilliant.

 

[WJ]

I have no clue what they say on forums and twitter. I watch the game. You enable tight marking, your defence gets screwed. You don't enable tight marking, you don't concede as your players press the zone, not man. I can guess that cleon guy doesn't know much about football, and I can confirm by myself that si games forums moderator knows less about ME then me. I was writing there when I bought fm13, and pointed out the mistakes at one of the mods tactics. His answer proved to me he knows very little about the ME, even though he is the ME forum mod. It may seem like tight marking, but it's not. And it's easy to spot. With tight marking, your players follows his assigned opponent all around the pitch, especially if he has low creativity, and by doing so, leaves a gap in defence which is easy to exploit and you concede. Turn off tight marking, with hassling on, he will press the player in his assigned zone, and wont follow him out of it. Your other player in the next zone will take him on. That way, your players keep their positions and your defence is harder to brake. Hassling means pressing of a zone, hassling and tight marking means pressing of a man. I'm not sure if in previous patches this wasn't so, but I doubt it. The only time when you can see chaos without tight marking, is with high tempo, as you didn't give your players enough time to set up a proper zone. Tight marking can work with or without hassling only on poorer quality opponents. The ME is brilliant.

Cleon's been quite involved with SI and he knows the ME very well, so you're talking out your ****.

Post #44: Tricking the Wizard – Guide for Understanding the Tactical Creator Dynamics

I can guarantee you 100% there is no hidden changes that I didn't mention. SI helped me do a thread about shouts and what actually changed under the hood for FM13 and they all still work the same way. The thread can be viewed here The Full 90 Minutes - What I Do

And for those who do not know, this is what the shouts do in post #4, #5 and #6: The Full 90 Minutes - What I Do

Hassle Opponents – Increases the tempo, tells the team to tight man mark and also increases the closing down for your side. Use this if you want to reduce space and time that you allow the opposition to have. Works good with a very attacking strategy and against teams who are a lot weaker than yours.

It is what it is. You can argue against it, but he was/is in direct communication with SI and knows the ME better than anyone outside SI, apart from wwfan.

As for the rest of that pathetic post, it's made up or you didn't understand him. Now I'm done with you.

 

[WJ]

Without tight marking my team won't press the way Dortmund does. I want my team to press the player with the ball and the other players cover passing channels. It seems I can't do it and even smaller teams can shrug off our pressing and create chances.

Hassle opponents is an aggressive shout. You have a better chance of pressing effectively if you pull the AML/AMC/AMR back to ML/MC/MR.

If you're using MCs at the moment, pull them back to DM.

 

[Igneos79]

Cleon's been quite involved with SI and he knows the ME very well, so you're talking out your ****.

Post #44: Tricking the Wizard – Guide for Understanding the Tactical Creator Dynamics





And for those who do not know, this is what the shouts do in post #4, #5 and #6: The Full 90 Minutes - What I Do




It is what it is. You can argue against it, but he was/is in direct communication with SI and knows the ME better than anyone outside SI, apart from wwfan.

As for the rest of that pathetic post, it's made up or you didn't understand him. Now I'm done with you.

Like I said, their forums mods know nothing about the game. The only one who knows how it really works is the programmer, and hes not on the forum or answering questions. I would advise you to watch the game and use your own brain before relying on someone elses opinion. And I have been testing tactics since fm13 for over 4000 hours now, so I doubt anyone there knows it better then me. I stand by what I said.

 

[Igneos79]

Also, that guy prolly switched off tight marking in the middle of the seasons or in one match in the middle of season, and was wondering why they do it still. THEY ARE USED TO IT. Changing your prefered style for one match wont work well, as the players aren't trained in it. And this is easy to test. Simply run your tactic for one whole season with, and for one whole season without tight marking, and count the conceeded goals at the end of it. You will see who was right and who was wrong then.

 

[FanFang]

Turn off tight marking, with hassling on, he will press the player in his assigned zone, and wont follow him out of it. Your other player in the next zone will take him on. That way, your players keep their positions and your defence is harder to brake. Hassling means pressing of a zone, hassling and tight marking means pressing of a man. I'm not sure if in previous patches this wasn't so, but I doubt it. The only time when you can see chaos without tight marking, is with high tempo, as you didn't give your players enough time to set up a proper zone. Tight marking can work with or without hassling only on poorer quality opponents. The ME is brilliant.

If this was the case I would be completely OK with it but it is not. Even though tight marking is not selected, they still press like mindless zombies, going after one player with three. Tight marking is only selected along with close down more for my AMC because I want him to close down somebody. But he sits still behind my striker doing nothing. Btw you say that with high tempo with or without tight marking there will be chaos, but this is how Dortmund plays. When they lose ball, they press like madmen and when they get possession they go route one. I just want 1 or 2 player to close down and the rest covering passing channels but haven't accomplished this yet.

 

[Igneos79]

If this was the case I would be completely OK with it but it is not. Even though tight marking is not selected, they still press like mindless zombies, going after one player with three. Tight marking is only selected along with close down more for my AMC because I want him to close down somebody. But he sits still behind my striker doing nothing. Btw you say that with high tempo with or without tight marking there will be chaos, but this is how Dortmund plays. When they lose ball, they press like madmen and when they get possession they go route one. I just want 1 or 2 player to close down and the rest covering passing channels but haven't accomplished this yet.

If there are three players on him, it means you have three players in the same zone. It's not necesarrily a bad thing, but you may want to stretch your game. I don't know how dortmund plays.