Converting good quality chances

[bullybeef73]

I've posted this on SI, but wished to pout this to you guys.


Missing good quality chances will always be inflammatory, maybe because there doesn't seem to be a feasible solution. The way I play is to create numerous good quality chances, and I have tried many different tactical connotations. And I even changed my tactics prior to a reserve game or youth game to see how they get on.


But it seems nothing prevents my players from missing decent chances. I just beat Barca 1-0, and hammered them on chances, and without any question, they have to be the luckiest side I have faced. One one occasion the ball trickled across the goal line whist their defender and GK desperately tried to clear without scoring an own goal - how they managed this I don't know.


In my investigation to remedy missing good quality chances, I have tried.

High CF - Low CF - Balanced CF for my Att/Creative players = The only visual difference was the amount of chances I create; the lower the CF, the fewer the chances, but quality chances are still missed.

High Tempo - Low Tempo - Balanced Tempo = A higher tempo seems to move the ball around swifter, a lower tempo seems to create fewer chances, but quality chances are still missed.

High Att Mentalities - Low Att Mentalities - Balanced Att Mentalities = Again the lower the Att Mentalities, the fewer chances I create, but quality chances are still missed.

Rare Time Wasting - High Time Wasting - Balanced Time Wasting = Fewer chances created with high time wasting, but quality chances are still missed.


I really crave a simplified solution to this problem. Having exhausted all possibilities, I find scoring the first goal absolutely vital, then I tend to experiment on improving my shots to goals ratio, with little consistency (I seem to score more half chances). Luckily I seem to have understood a decent defensive structure, but I'm afraid it's making the game very dull, and the lack of reward for some great attacking endeavour is highly frustrating.


Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

I have read this ( and all other threads on similair subject) and I agree to an extend with the people trying to explain how things are to work, why its your tactics etc. It actually IS MY/YOUR TACTICS...but the reason for it is because defending is broken...period !

By this I mean that its just too easy to create chances by just ghost passing the opponent. My forwards do this 4-5 times every match and they mostly miss since they loose concentration, trying to finnish after a long run with the ball, perhaps not always in balance, coming straight at the goali( poor angel)...and...in haste when I play on the counter. As I get soo many chances like this, chnances that are not very good at all , my convertion ratio goes down by miles. In games where I focus on hitting t-balls down the flanks for my wingers to drill early, I have a very high ratio instead dues top the poor defending of crosses.

EDIT: Oh, one more reason for the strikers/winger to miss sitter is when the ball gets to them too quickly in a unrealistic manner. The ball prysic just doesn not work properly and when a clearence from the fullback ends up perfect for the striker to put away, It looks like a sitter but as he has not even a split second to react, he often makes the wrongd decision ( and not in balance either). These scenarios also contribute to a poor convertion ratio, when the ball simply bounces back and forqward between the 2 d-lines)

 

[bullybeef73]

Thanks TBH.


I think what is strange is, having started my second season again, I came back to a game I originally won 6-0 away at Stoke. Yeah, a phenomenal result, but the irony is, this time around I had more chances, and scraped a 1-0 win.


Is really hurts when you've carved out repetitive quality chances only for players to unassumingly miss, and I ain't speaking of the statistical CCC, were some aren't really CCC, I'm talking empty nets, and 1-on-1s.


I have noticed quite a few chances recently were a player will go through, 1-on-1 with their GK, side-foot him to create an angel into an empty net, and screw the shot back at the GK. I can only describe it as a purposeful miss. It boggles belief.


I really feel resigned that I may have to revert back to FM11 if this continues, just to see how often this occurred on there.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Like I wrote, its all down to the poor defending missleading people, getting people to develop tactics that LOOKS like they are solid but that in fact are not. I am not speaking about you here as such, but people in general that tweaks the sliders etc.

I personallt dont see these scenarios too often though as I use the TC only and when evaluating the flow Of the game ( after lets say 15- 20 minutes), I dont count those chances mentioned

 

[bullybeef73]

I to use the TC creator which I think is really underestimated in developing tactics.


I mentioned on SI that maybe in future, a toggle could be added prior to the game were you could alter the goal conversion rate to something a little more acceptable on a game. Obviously defending would be a little more difficult, so there would be a downside.


But all this being said, although players regularly miss good chances IRL too, it is also rare to create good quality CCC IRL, especially in the EPL. However, I think in a game environment it is honestly difficult to watch good efforts on goal wasted, and it naturally looks a bit weird when it occurs.

 

[CFC CALLUM]

I'm disappointed with the quality chances missed even with finishing training they still fail to miss them great chances that IRL footballers would score any day, defiantly needs a look at, come on SI.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

I'm disappointed with the quality chances missed even with finishing training they still fail to miss them great chances that IRL footballers would score any day, defiantly needs a look at, come on SI.

Its not the players or the traning though( training on it does not mean that they focus on it during the game as such), its that the circumstances under which they get the chances are poor, yet they are considered a CCC. If one would look at it in slow speed and from some different angels and then take into account the other aspects I wrote about, its pretty easy to spot.

 

[CFC CALLUM]

Its not the players or the traning though( training on it does not mean that they focus on it during the game as such), its that the circumstances under which they get the chances are poor, yet they are considered a CCC. If one would look at it in slow speed and from some different angels and then take into account the other aspects I wrote about, its pretty easy to spot.

Maybe but the chances missed can be awful sometimes and should be finished all day tbh, very annoying when you get 20+ chances and fail to score.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Maybe but the chances missed can be awful sometimes and should be finished all day tbh, very annoying when you get 20+ chances and fail to score.

Totally agree. And the things is that this is also one part Of the game, that the more chances you miss, the mord likely you are to miss the next one( due to frustration). This is why tactics that produces à lot Of those chances mentioned earlier often fail putting away this that should be converted.

 

[CFC CALLUM]

Yeah I think its something SI may need to look at to add that extra realism and the corners are so easy to score with. Its near enough impossible to stop them near posts headers that go in or across the goal mouth. I've tried everything to stop them has anyone found a solution to this?

 

[CFC CALLUM]

Totally agree. And the things is that this is also one part Of the game, that the more chances you miss, the mord likely you are to miss the next one( due to frustration). This is why tactics that produces à lot Of those chances mentioned earlier often fail putting away this that should be converted.

Another frustrating thing is the opponent scoring their first shot meanwhile you have 20+ and fail to score.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Another frustrating thing is the opponent scoring their first shot meanwhile you have 20+ and fail to score.

Yeah, thats **** when it happends. I have able to avoid that happening now since when I see à pattern in us having à bad day/ creating many but poor chances, I drop deeper and retain possession instead as I know that frustration and lack Of concentration Will se us conceed.

 

[Michael19]

They really need to work on the match engine for this game. I've realised that if the game doesn't want you to win you won't regardless of what you do. A frustrating thing is when against better opposition I find that the opposing team don't outplay me - instead my team will just play rubbish and all the goals I concede are from my own players making ridiculous mistakes. Players wasting brilliant opportunities as well is also a real pain, it wouldn't bother me if it happened to the opposition too but it doesn't. I can have 5 shots on target with a proficient striker against a poor keeper who will miss all of them wheres the other team can have 5 shots on target with a poor striker against a top keeper who manages to score 3 of them.

I think SI have got the results realistic, but the way the game is played on the pitch is not.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Lets not turn this into a rant thread containing false infomation as many of those over at SI. ( aimed at me to )

 

[bigtukker]

What seems to work for me is to check the preferred foot of the player...

 

[tactical genius 99]

missed chances

i too have the problem of missing ccc, ie the ones where the likes of messi or sanchez or hazard or pato or cavani are running clean through just the keeper to beat , i miss at least 3 or 4 a game, but it mainly only happens whilst im playing a network game and im not the host, the mate i play with rarely creates ccc but has broken the goals record in spanish league numourous times as real madrid, where as me, as barcelona create ccc 8 or 9 times a game and can struggle to even win the game, luckily my defence is water tight! for example the last 3 times ive played my mate hes beaten me everytime , yet ive had the better chances, more possession just cant convert, the last game he only had 5 shots on target, none ccc yet scored 4 goals, i had 13 shots on target, 7 ccc and got none, im guessing its a glitch on the game, can anyone shed light?
also, in 3 consecutive as barcelona manager i had over 30 shots in all 3 games, failing to score a single goal, drew 2 of them 0-0 and lost the other 1 nil, to an own goal and they didnt even have a single shot the whole game
cheers

 

[Christian Lebis]

The missing chances is frustrating especialy because the oponent often scores from a verry long distance shot shortly after.

The weird thing is that this happens more frequently near the end of the season and I often feel utterly cheated by the AI.

I have actually resorted to the low tactic of "save before every match" and replay untill you win. Oddly enough if you replay the same match with the exact same tactics and players you'll eventually win once, Experimented an entire day with this once because I was absolutely certain the game was cheating (I even forgot to feed the bunny and my daughter that's how angry and obsessed I was, replayed the same game from 08.00 hours till 23.00 hours and something, even got in a huge argument with my gf who almost left me) I'm not going that far anymore tough, but these days instead of endlesly playing the same match I'll reload 2 times but only if I lose due to extreme chance wasting or verry freak behaviour by the players. If I lose those 2 times for the same reasons, I reload the game and add a new manager and take control of the oposing team and put the striker in goal and the goalie in the striker position.

Because if the AI can cheat and win games where I have 80% posession and 300+ passes but waste 15 chances on goal and the AI scores it's 3 half chances, then I can cheat too by god!

 

[Mike.]

The missing chances is frustrating especialy because the oponent often scores from a verry long distance shot shortly after.

The weird thing is that this happens more frequently near the end of the season and I often feel utterly cheated by the AI.

I have actually resorted to the low tactic of "save before every match" and replay untill you win. Oddly enough if you replay the same match with the exact same tactics and players you'll eventually win once, Experimented an entire day with this once because I was absolutely certain the game was cheating (I even forgot to feed the bunny and my daughter that's how angry and obsessed I was, replayed the same game from 08.00 hours till 23.00 hours and something, even got in a huge argument with my gf who almost left me) I'm not going that far anymore tough, but these days instead of endlesly playing the same match I'll reload 2 times but only if I lose due to extreme chance wasting or verry freak behaviour by the players. If I lose those 2 times for the same reasons, I reload the game and add a new manager and take control of the oposing team and put the striker in goal and the goalie in the striker position.

Because if the AI can cheat and win games where I have 80% posession and 300+ passes but waste 15 chances on goal and the AI scores it's 3 half chances, then I can cheat too by god!

The AI cant cheat. The match engine cannot tell the difference between user and AI inputs.

 

[Christian Lebis]

Sure doesn't feel like the AI can't cheat in my games.

just now, I'm leading 1-0 against man city with rsc Anderlecht, my team is suposed to play real short passes and avoid risk (I'm a fan of slow passing football defending with the ball) and all goes as plan, my team is attacking, my dmc and wing defenders have plenty room to play the ball to eachother but instead my player dwells on the ball and just stands there and waits for Man city player to take the ball from him, send a verry long pass to lonely Tevez who walses past 3 men and scores in the 44th minute, with the second half starting with again my players just giving the ball away and conceding a goal in the 48th minute.

The game ended because I smashed my keyboard against my screen and started kicking my pc like a madman. Good thing my kidd wasn't in the room

I'm now going to try and play that game again. Let's see how the game will cheat me out of victory again by making my players act like retards when things are going well.

I've heared about something called real time editor if the game cheats me out of victory again with weirdness I'm going to use that to make it fair

 

[Christian Lebis]

And there it is.... Tevez scores after 3 minutes from an impossible distance

I'm going to turn every man city player into rubbish with the editor