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Having sitting in Fifth 5 points behind top. The squad is the original.
Dortmund Tactic
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play Moritz in the centre Cm (AP) did you not get Ze Roberto?
play Moritz in the centre Cm (AP) did you not get Ze Roberto?
Zé Roberto quite isn't part of the Dortmund squad, and I'm not sure you'll really want to sign that granddaddy 
Borussias' basic line-up is pretty easy to rebuild up FM:
--------------------------- Lewandowski/Barrios ----------------------
----------------------- (Lewy: CF or AF, Lucas: POA) -----------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Grosskreutz/Perisic ---------- Kagawa ---- Goetze/Blaszczykowski --
----- (Gr.: IF/S, Per.: IF/A) ------ (AP/A) ------- (G.: IF or AP, Bl.: W) -
----------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------- Gundogan/Leitner ----- Bender/Kehl ---------------
------------------------ (DLP/S) ----------- (BWM) ------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Schmelzer ------ Hummels ------------ Subotic --------- Piszczek --
----(FB/S) -------- (BPD/S) ------------- (LD/C) ----------- (WB/A) --
So it boils down to your "default" 4-2-3-1 with some modifications depending on which players you play with and which team you are to play against. Add some relentless pressing, fast-paced and direct passing, lots of counter-attacks and you're done.
Although there's a lot of detail work required to fully rebuild a realistic tactic for Dortmund, as there's a couple of fine alterations from 'default' player roles. Some I'd like to point out:
- To me, the most difficult thing to apply in FM is varying 'formations' for offensive and defensive phases in the match. As rather lot teams do, Borussias' defensive formation is a compact, deep, rigid 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1. However, attacking play comes in a very fluid 4-2-3-1, with Kagawa coming deep (up into central defender territory) to collect the ball, both wingers stick their noses into the opposing box with both Wingbacks bombing down the lines. So there's your formation problem.
- Depending on opposition and who's playing in central midfield, Mats Hummels plays a straight playmaking role out of his pocket in the defensive line. As 1. FC Cologne got to know it twice this season (5:0 and 6:1 wins for Dortmund), his long passes are brutally dangerous against high defensive lines of your opposition, as there's lots of room behind the opposing defensive line for your quick wingers to break into. Haven't tried out so far, but picking Hummels as your primary playmaker should work in FM as well as it does irl. No guarantees, however! To make implementation matters worse, FMs' Ball-Playing Defender model feels like under the influence of classic Liberos or guys like David Luiz steaming into attack. And I'm not quite sure if you'll get that 'long range pass distributor' thingy out of a BPD.
- Recreating Lewandowski's Striker role doesn't look easy as well, as there's an awful lot of stuff happening around him. In defense mode, he runs at defenders to disrupt build-up play (-> Defensive Striker). However, he doesn't come deep to support defense in midfield, rather waiting high up the pitch to collect any balls played out of his own defense (-> Advanced forward).
Due to his athletic abilities, this waiting-for-clearances-play became a vital part in both Dortmunds attacking and defensive play: the defense can simply lob out every ball that looks dangerous, knowing that there's a **** versatile guy waiting up front to collect the ball and even protect it against two defenders - and thereby initiating counter-attacks. This makes him sort of the 'first' playmaker in attack. That'll make him a Complete Forward, which would seem the obvious choice for a striker with a huge load of tasks to perform. But it doesn't reflect that guy as exactly as it could, tho. Meh.
Borussias' basic line-up is pretty easy to rebuild up FM:
--------------------------- Lewandowski/Barrios ----------------------
----------------------- (Lewy: CF or AF, Lucas: POA) -----------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Grosskreutz/Perisic ---------- Kagawa ---- Goetze/Blaszczykowski --
----- (Gr.: IF/S, Per.: IF/A) ------ (AP/A) ------- (G.: IF or AP, Bl.: W) -
----------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------- Gundogan/Leitner ----- Bender/Kehl ---------------
------------------------ (DLP/S) ----------- (BWM) ------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Schmelzer ------ Hummels ------------ Subotic --------- Piszczek --
----(FB/S) -------- (BPD/S) ------------- (LD/C) ----------- (WB/A) --
So it boils down to your "default" 4-2-3-1 with some modifications depending on which players you play with and which team you are to play against. Add some relentless pressing, fast-paced and direct passing, lots of counter-attacks and you're done.
Although there's a lot of detail work required to fully rebuild a realistic tactic for Dortmund, as there's a couple of fine alterations from 'default' player roles. Some I'd like to point out:
- To me, the most difficult thing to apply in FM is varying 'formations' for offensive and defensive phases in the match. As rather lot teams do, Borussias' defensive formation is a compact, deep, rigid 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1. However, attacking play comes in a very fluid 4-2-3-1, with Kagawa coming deep (up into central defender territory) to collect the ball, both wingers stick their noses into the opposing box with both Wingbacks bombing down the lines. So there's your formation problem.
- Depending on opposition and who's playing in central midfield, Mats Hummels plays a straight playmaking role out of his pocket in the defensive line. As 1. FC Cologne got to know it twice this season (5:0 and 6:1 wins for Dortmund), his long passes are brutally dangerous against high defensive lines of your opposition, as there's lots of room behind the opposing defensive line for your quick wingers to break into. Haven't tried out so far, but picking Hummels as your primary playmaker should work in FM as well as it does irl. No guarantees, however! To make implementation matters worse, FMs' Ball-Playing Defender model feels like under the influence of classic Liberos or guys like David Luiz steaming into attack. And I'm not quite sure if you'll get that 'long range pass distributor' thingy out of a BPD.
- Recreating Lewandowski's Striker role doesn't look easy as well, as there's an awful lot of stuff happening around him. In defense mode, he runs at defenders to disrupt build-up play (-> Defensive Striker). However, he doesn't come deep to support defense in midfield, rather waiting high up the pitch to collect any balls played out of his own defense (-> Advanced forward).
Due to his athletic abilities, this waiting-for-clearances-play became a vital part in both Dortmunds attacking and defensive play: the defense can simply lob out every ball that looks dangerous, knowing that there's a **** versatile guy waiting up front to collect the ball and even protect it against two defenders - and thereby initiating counter-attacks. This makes him sort of the 'first' playmaker in attack. That'll make him a Complete Forward, which would seem the obvious choice for a striker with a huge load of tasks to perform. But it doesn't reflect that guy as exactly as it could, tho. Meh.
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