FM - Unplayable?

[dair]

I just bought my very first FM game. Entertaining and addictive already. But frustrating at the same time.

I have already spent some 20 minutes reading up on the awful finishing in FM on various forums/sites to see whether its just me or the game. Same with various attributes, how they act, the PPMs, player morale, shot angles, team talks etc.

For example, I will take my last game (Chelsea vs Liverpool).

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The statistics say opposite of the score. We obviously dominated possession and had much superior chances to score, as shown in the CCC stat. I would like to avoid the talk of "what is actually classified as a CCC IRL". The clear cut chances when viewed are simply astounding sitters. The striker is completely one on one with the keeper and has no other players around him. I'd expect a "world class" striker to finish at least 1 of those even at his worst form.

But no - it was never to be as Reina typically blocked all those shots. Or rather - my striker put them straight at him. This of course resulting in a MOTM award and a rating of 8.8.

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So I say, fair enough lad. Those were fantastic saves. I have seen some unbeatable keepers in my time. What I don't agree with, is this happening every 2 matches. I rarely see such performances in real life, the one in Schalke vs United (Neuer) is the closest I can think of in some 20+ games. And again, it would be acceptable when they are the two best keepers involved, but it happens to EVERY single keeper from Gomes to Almunia.

Of course to add further to pain, this guy scored twice from 30+ yards.

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Meanwhile my striker in typical hilarious fashion decides that he wants the commentator to say "Oh, that was a sitter!" or "How did he miss that?" or "He missed when it was easier to score!" or "Should have done much better with that chance!" and etc, but I'm sure you get the point.

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This brings up my opinion on FM. There are FAR too many CCC/scoring chances/sitters created in FM. Its not the strikers finishing (well it is) but actually the amount of those chances being converted. I'm somewhat confident that FM prevents this so huge scorelines don't happen.

And again, I agree with this match, that keepers are unbeatable on one day, that poor strikers have amazing days, that even the worlds best don't score, that chances are gone waisting all the time. And again, what I DON'T agree with, is the frequency with which it happens.

What are your honest opinions on this, and is FM really entertaining when you have to put up with such a headache?

 

[Shaneckham]

Yer couldn't agree more the game really test my patience some times you lose a game, when the opposition score goals from nowhere and you players miss 5 clear cuts. My last game I played I had 10 clear cuts didn't score so frustrating. Also the amount of corners and throwings the computer score is silly, iv lost many of games by 2 corners and a freekick. I don't mind this happening as this does happen sometimes it's just the frequency that things happen of this game.

 

[Shaneckham]

Another classic FM unrealistic corner and long shot enough to beat my team
View attachment 167851 As you can see my team dominated 5 one on ones, the goal i ended up scoring was from a tigh angle not even a clear cut, i dont understand how it works on this game seem to be easier to score goals from nowhere than from clean through one on one could walk the ball in the net but no, the striker decides to hit it straight at the keeper even tho hes got the skills to be putting that straight in the back of the net. SI need to sort this out, so boring every game same story same goals.

 

[Lee]

**** happens. The game is just dice roll after dice roll. It can't always go your way.

 

[I Hate Fish]

**** happens. The game is just dice roll after dice roll. It can't always go your way.

The problem is that the dice almost never goes your way. I can easily have 30 or so shots in a match with at least 15 OT and have 65%+ possession when the AI only needs one chance to score on a counter.

 

[dair]

**** happens. The game is just dice roll after dice roll. It can't always go your way.

Come on, what kind of response is that? SI always spends time and puts passion on a videogame thats supposed to simulate real life football management. They do a good job but a game can never become truly "real". But what they can do is avoid such things from consistently happening. I'm sure that its not just dice roll because there are various elements that come into play to determine the outcome.

I'm not asking it to go my way all the time, I just ask for my strikers to properly finish according to their attributes. Or perhaps a stronger defense/weaker GK tweak so there are less sitter chances. I can honestly say there is only one maybe two or three in an everyday football match. But in a single game you can get like 20 breakaways only to score 1 because the score must be kept down.

 

[Shaneckham]

**** happens. The game is just dice roll after dice roll. It can't always go your way.

I know that but when this sort of thing happens it always goes down the same way, i dont want to win every game easy that wouldnt be realistic but is it realistic to concede corners and long shots all the time i rarely concede any other way. Id just like to see something differnt never mind tho still love this game, but just annoying that clear cuts get fluffed all to often.

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Also when you look at some of the players that score rockets against you and their long shots are poor make you wonder if you are be cheated.

 

[Chokopop]

Another frustrating, and unrealistic thing imo, i dont know if you have experienced this yet : I score a goal. Kick off, they run through my field as if there were no players at all. No matter what i do. I have never seen this in real life. And this happens every 3rd or 4th game.

 

[Lee]

It doesn't happen all the time, those games are very rare (if you're doing everything right).

Another frustrating, and unrealistic thing imo, i dont know if you have experienced this yet : I score a goal. Kick off, they run through my field as if there were no players at all. No matter what i do. I have never seen this in real life. And this happens every 3rd or 4th game.

Never heard of that happening, got some proof of that? Sounds like a bug or maybe just a tactical problem. Might be worth reporting to SI.

 

[Shaneckham]

Another frustrating, and unrealistic thing imo, i dont know if you have experienced this yet : I score a goal. Kick off, they run through my field as if there were no players at all. No matter what i do. I have never seen this in real life. And this happens every 3rd or 4th game.

Yer iv seen that, ****** stupid. A couple of things iv noticed on this game is right before your about to concede a corner,throw in or freekick, if the text speeds up just before you concede a set piece then they score. So i always know when im about concede a goal, im not sure if this is a glitch! Also i often score within the first min of the game and its near enough every time offside WTF is that all about, happens to often to be realistic.

 

[Chokopop]

It doesn't happen all the time, those games are very rare (if you're doing everything right).



Never heard of that happening, got some proof of that? Sounds like a bug or maybe just a tactical problem. Might be worth reporting to SI.

Not really atm, as i just rage and go on with the game. I'll upload a vid of it next time it happens.

 

[dair]

Lee - no one is being biased here. Well certainly not me. (unless subconsciously) I started tracking stats from my matches and I need about 3x shots on target/CCC to win.

I can say with all honesty that I've never had a keeper rating go over 7.9 unless we absolutely dominated a game but the opposing teams have one at least once a month
The only other minor "bug" I noticed is consistent straight red cards for players on 1-5 minutes. That is TRULY unrealistic because I've never seen people getting sent off that often.

If I wanted to win everytime I would just use FMRTE and give every player 20+ for every stat.

 

[Shaneckham]

Yer the game is amazing, and i love it, but just needs a few things sorting out.

 

[Joel`]

Come on, what kind of response is that? SI always spends time and puts passion on a videogame thats supposed to simulate real life football management. They do a good job but a game can never become truly "real". But what they can do is avoid such things from consistently happening. I'm sure that its not just dice roll because there are various elements that come into play to determine the outcome.

I'm not asking it to go my way all the time, I just ask for my strikers to properly finish according to their attributes. Or perhaps a stronger defense/weaker GK tweak so there are less sitter chances. I can honestly say there is only one maybe two or three in an everyday football match. But in a single game you can get like 20 breakaways only to score 1 because the score must be kept down.

Hurr durr you just described a dice roll, albeit a complex one. But still a dice roll.

Your comparisons to real life are absurd. How often do we see a team dominate the other for 90 minutes, then on the counter they score with their first shot? And if a striker on even the lowest of form would score.. wait sorry 14 games was it for Torres? Stop being so ignorant. You either don't watch football or are blissfully ignorant of the fact that these things happen week in week out.

 

[Shaneckham]

Hurr durr you just described a dice roll, albeit a complex one. But still a dice roll.

Your comparisons to real life are absurd. How often do we see a team dominate the other for 90 minutes, then on the counter they score with their first shot? And if a striker on even the lowest of form would score.. wait sorry 14 games was it for Torres? Stop being so ignorant. You either don't watch football or are blissfully ignorant of the fact that these things happen week in week out.

I dont agree with that im a chelsea fan and watch every game, i didnt see many chance one on one for torres, his movement is unreal just need some players to play him in. The point everyone is making is how many one on ones can you miss every game?

 

[Joel`]

I dont agree with that im a chelsea fan and watch every game, i didnt see many chance one on one for torres, his movement is unreal just need some players to play him in. The point everyone is making is how many one on ones can you miss every game?

United vs Schalke? How many did we miss in the first half? Kenwynne Jones missed an open goal yesterday, it happens. Get over it. Strikers aren't perfect IRL and they sure as **** not in FM. **** happens. Deal with it. Striker not performing? Bring in a new young gun so he has to fight for his place.

 

[dair]

Hurr durr you just described a dice roll, albeit a complex one. But still a dice roll.

Your comparisons to real life are absurd. How often do we see a team dominate the other for 90 minutes, then on the counter they score with their first shot? And if a striker on even the lowest of form would score.. wait sorry 14 games was it for Torres? Stop being so ignorant. You either don't watch football or are blissfully ignorant of the fact that these things happen week in week out.

14 games for Torres - guess how many chances (CLEAR CUT OR NOT) he had. I only saw 4-5 legitimate scoring opportunities for him during his Chelsea career. Torres relies on precise through balls which the Chelsea team CANT do. They rely on a completely different system and Torres just doesn't fit there. ****, even the pass from Anelka was the classic Torres through ball. Not to mention that he is no longer the player he used to be. If I had to use FM stats then I'd say that his pace/acceleration has gone down by about 2-4 points and his first touch is dreadful. He will never be used to his full potential even if I'm wrong and he is still the same striker he was at Liverpool if Chelsea don't change their players and style of play.

I've NEVER seen a game with 15 clear cut chances this year. And I'm talking about the classic striker vs keeper one on one scenario. In real life there could only be one such chance in the entire game. Thats why they hit them on the break with only one shot.

If the current IRL Torres would be given the amount of chances that my Torres gets in FM, he would have 50 goals already.

United vs Schalke? How many did we miss in the first half? Kenwynne Jones missed an open goal yesterday, it happens. Get over it. Strikers aren't perfect IRL and they sure as **** not in FM. **** happens. Deal with it. Striker not performing? Bring in a new young gun so he has to fight for his place.

You're still not getting it. I would be delighted if my strikers missed one or two chances per game. The point is that they will miss tons of them every two games. Possibly 5-10 golden opportunities. The United vs Schalke game is a sensational once in a year performance from Neuer. It does not happen with every goalkeeper every couple games.

Kenwynne Jones is not a world class finisher.

 

[Joel`]

14 games for Torres - guess how many chances (CLEAR CUT OR NOT) he had. I only saw 4-5 legitimate scoring opportunities for him during his Chelsea career. Torres relies on precise through balls which the Chelsea team CANT do. They rely on a completely different system and Torres just doesn't fit there. ****, even the pass from Anelka was the classic Torres through ball. Not to mention that he is no longer the player he used to be. If I had to use FM stats then I'd say that his pace/acceleration has gone down by about 2-4 points and his first touch is dreadful. He will never be used to his full potential even if I'm wrong and he is still the same striker he was at Liverpool if Chelsea don't change their players and style of play.

I've NEVER seen a game with 15 clear cut chances this year. And I'm talking about the classic striker vs keeper one on one scenario. In real life there could only be one such chance in the entire game. Thats why they hit them on the break with only one shot.

If the current IRL Torres would be given the amount of chances that my Torres gets in FM, he would have 50 goals already.



You're still not getting it. I would be delighted if my strikers missed one or two chances per game. The point is that they will miss tons of them every two games. Possibly 5-10 golden opportunities. The United vs Schalke game is a sensational once in a year performance from Neuer. It does not happen with every goalkeeper every couple games.

Kenwynne Jones is not a world class finisher.

Gogo hyperbole.

And you're still not getting it. Hernandez has scored 60 in 53 in my save. Rossi 28 in 23. They're world class strikers, no? And oh look, they're scoring goals. It's most likely an error on your part that you're blaming on the game, because strikers most definitely score their chances if they're good enough and the chance is good enough.

 

[Shaneckham]

United vs Schalke? How many did we miss in the first half? Kenwynne Jones missed an open goal yesterday, it happens. Get over it. Strikers aren't perfect IRL and they sure as **** not in FM. **** happens. Deal with it. Striker not performing? Bring in a new young gun so he has to fight for his place.

Well the striker is performing clearly breaking through their lines 4 5 times again the point is that for some reason they blast the ball at the keeper or wide, even tho their stats would indicate they should do better. And i dont care if he has a bad game but it all to often.

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Gogo hyperbole.

And you're still not getting it. Hernandez has scored 60 in 53 in my save. Rossi 28 in 23. They're world class strikers, no? And oh look, they're scoring goals. It's most likely an error on your part that you're blaming on the game, because strikers most definitely score their chances if they're good enough and the chance is good enough.

Share the wealth then if you have got some tips to give lets have them then? Were not on here to shoot the game down, just to share points of view, so if you have got tips that can help us and other that are having this problem, then please share?

 

[Joel`]

Well the striker is performing clearly breaking through their lines 4 5 times again the point is that for some reason they blast the ball at the keeper or wide, even tho their stats would indicate they should do better. And i dont care if he has a bad game but it all to often.

David Villa has had numerous chances for Barcelona in recent times, didn't stop him going 10+ games without a goal. Even though he was getting the chances, people would say he's underperforming if he goes that long without a goal, no? And this is from one of the greatest finishers in the world. Messi missed some glorious chances against Arsenal at the Emirates. The point is, that even the greatest of players will miss chances. The game is replicating this. If you're missing so many chances in so many games, then it's your fault. Not the match engine.

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Share the wealth then if you have got some tips to give lets have them then? Were not on here to shoot the game down, just to share points of view, so if you have got tips that can help us and other that are having this problem, then please share?

Have competition in the squad. I have Hernandez, Rooney and Rossi all competing for 2 strike spots. Also have a top regen youth striker who plays regularly, so 4 competing for 2 spots. The perfect ratio. Team talks. If they're determined, expect the best from them and they'll usually deliver. If they're low on confidence naturally or due to form, then don't pressure them. If they score in the first half, then "have faith" and they almost always do even better in the 2nd half.

Teaching/Un-learning the correct PPM's. Got a pacey poacher with decent dribbling, then teaching him to round the keeper is great etc.