How do you make wingers pass instead of shoot?

[pipodeclown]

So I have a counter tactic that involves fast wingers... Often enough 2 on 1, but no matter what, they keep shooting from impossible angles. I have 5 matches in row "wellington phoenix unlucky, costly finishing etc... I have disciplined, Shoot less often, cross more, more direct passes. My players even have 13/16 crossing :O... What do I have to do to stop them shooting from impossible angles?

 

[mking1992]

put the winger on support duty, they will shoot less by default, and then set players instructions to cross more often + cross aim centre.

hope this helps!

p.s.- takes about 8-10 games to have a real effect, nothing works instantly in this game!

 

[pipodeclown]

I just got sacked... This is crazy lol... I will take that advice into next game but this has to be most frustrating save game ever... last 5 games i had average of 5 ccc 0.0 and only 1 goal

 

[louiscfc]

Set their PPM to look for pass rather than shot

 

[pipodeclown]

Set their PPM to look for pass rather than shot

They were both old so deemed useless. Will try that on regens

 

[vjcsmoke]

It's just extremely hard to score, period with the new FM2014 match engine. Even a top of the table EPL team will rarely average over 2 goals per game.

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab312/goraiden/EnglishPremierDivision_OverviewStages-9.pngMost

Wingers shot on target percentage is between 35% and 45% and of those shots only a few will actually be threats to score goals.

For example, here is one of the best Right wingers in the world, valued at 53m:
ErikLamela_OverviewProfile.png Photo by goraiden | Photobucket

Want to guess what his shooting percentage is? Here you go:
http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab312/goraiden/ErikLamela_StatsOverview.png

Shocking, isn't it? Only 33% of his shots are even on target.
And he's one of the top players in the WORLD at his position!

Now let's do a little math on his actual scoring percentage:
152 shots = 12 goals. That means he scores a goal on 7.9% of his shots.
Thats LESS than 10% Simply atrocious! But that in a nutshell is what is wrong with the FM2014 match engine. The way they handle shooting and scoring goals is just bolluxed!

 

[ILSATS]

Sorry OP, this is probably an impossible task in FM 2014. I've played 5 teams in FM 2014, ranging from Skrill N/S to EPL teams, with countless wingers, from part-time players to world-class ones. I've never managed to make them shoot less and pass more. It seems like once wingers get high enough speed & dribble, they will always try to dribble through the entire opposition team, and then do hopeless shots that most of the time do not hit targets.
I've tried everything I could , including setting their roles to winger/advanced playmaker/inside forward... , set to attack/support..., set team/player instruction to shoot less often/dribble less/cross more often...., get PPM look for the pass rather than the shoot/ dribble less..... After all this, they do try to pass like 10% more, but still they will dribble most of the time and do stupid shots.

 

[Mike.]

It's just extremely hard to score, period with the new FM2014 match engine. Even a top of the table EPL team will rarely average over 2 goals per game.

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab312/goraiden/EnglishPremierDivision_OverviewStages-9.pngMost

Wingers shot on target percentage is between 35% and 45% and of those shots only a few will actually be threats to score goals.

For example, here is one of the best Right wingers in the world, valued at 53m:
ErikLamela_OverviewProfile.png Photo by goraiden | Photobucket

Want to guess what his shooting percentage is? Here you go:
http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab312/goraiden/ErikLamela_StatsOverview.png

Shocking, isn't it? Only 33% of his shots are even on target.
And he's one of the top players in the WORLD at his position!

Now let's do a little math on his actual scoring percentage:
152 shots = 12 goals. That means he scores a goal on 7.9% of his shots.
Thats LESS than 10% Simply atrocious! But that in a nutshell is what is wrong with the FM2014 match engine. The way they handle shooting and scoring goals is just bolluxed!

Thats actually not that off. Ronaldo scores from 13% of his shots from the flank. Before you can all it off: You need to analyse where he is shooting from, how many he is taking a game and how successful he is at them. For example my wide players dont shoot from outside the box at all, encouraged to get in the box and off the ball.

 

[ILSATS]

The difference is even while being considered a selfish player, Ronaldo still passes around a lot. Wingers in FM 14 don't.

 

[Mike.]

The difference is even while being considered a selfish player, Ronaldo still passes around a lot. Wingers in FM 14 don't.

My wingers are among my top assisters, and up there on passing. Wingers most certainly do pass.

 

[ILSATS]

Well , many people here disagree with you.

 

[Mike.]

Well , many people here disagree with you.

Not really the point though. The point is that its still possible. We're playing the same game. If I can do it, so can any one of you.

By the way Ronaldo averages 33 passes a game.

 

[ILSATS]

The point is Ronaldo can do crosses or passes when he know he should. Wingers in here don't. Maybe I should have been clearer for Mr. Damage Control.

 

[Sherkey]

And the point is, it's not always that wingers try to shoot. If a winger has 'Cuts Inside' PPM, no matter what you try to do, he'll try to score more than assist, it's natural. For example, I've Lamela with 15 Decisions, but with 'Cuts Inside' PPM. He tries to cut inside many times, it's a bit annoying. But upon setting his position as rigid, and asking him to stay on the right, he does try to cross too.

On the other hand, Thomas Muller, with 19 Decisions and no 'Cuts Inside' always looks to try and assist, either with a killer ball or via a cross.

Their PPMs and Decision Making also matter, not just setting their position as winger.


That being said, yes, wingers(or more to the point, IF) do take irritatingly large number of shots most times.

 

[Mike.]

The point is Ronaldo can do crosses or passes when he know he should. Wingers in here don't. Maybe I should have been clearer for Mr. Damage Control.

If wingers didnt pass or cross when they should, how are people getting them to be top assisters then?

 

[Mike.]

And the point is, it's not always that wingers try to shoot. If a winger has 'Cuts Inside' PPM, no matter what you try to do, he'll try to score more than assist, it's natural. For example, I've Lamela with 15 Decisions, but with 'Cuts Inside' PPM. He tries to cut inside many times, it's a bit annoying. But upon setting his position as rigid, and asking him to stay on the right, he does try to cross too.

On the other hand, Thomas Muller, with 19 Decisions and no 'Cuts Inside' always looks to try and assist, either with a killer ball or via a cross.

Their PPMs and Decision Making also matter, not just setting their position as winger.


That being said, yes, wingers(or more to the point, IF) do take irritatingly large number of shots most times.

I'm not convinced people pay enough attention to PPMs. They make a big difference to a players style.

 

[ILSATS]

If wingers didnt pass or cross when they should, how are people getting them to be top assisters then?

Corners, free kicks, rebounds... etc ?
Almost all of mine are stupid but get a lot of assists, mostly from those situations.

 

[Obliterati]

Thats actually not that off.

Really?

Let's take a look at some real world wingers and how they're doing this season:

CR7: 25 goals on 183 shots - 13.6%
Alexis Sanchez: 16 goals on 44 shots - 36.3%
Antoine Griezman: 15 goals on 79 shots - 18.9%
Eden Hazard: 13 goals on 60 shots - 21.6%
Jay Rodrigues: 12 goals on 87 shots - 13.7%
Arjen Robben: 10 goals on 55 shots - 18.1%
Gareth Bale: 10 goals on 58 shots - 17.2%
Jose Callejon: 10 goals on 43 shots - 23.2%
Jefferson Farfan: 8 goals on 27 shots - 29.6%
Sidney Sam: 8 goals on 39 shots - 20.5%
Adam Lallana: 7 goals on 54 shots - 12.9%

In the example vjcsmoke gave, Lamela had 12 goals on 152 shots in 41 games. That's 7.8%. So not only is he taking a crazy huge number of shots in-game, he's scoring at a rate that is half as low as the worst real-world shooters. Half as low as his own real-world performance, even including this disastrous season.

That may fit your definition of "not far off", but it doesn't fit mine.

 

[Mike.]

Really?

Let's take a look at some real world wingers and how they're doing this season:

CR7: 25 goals on 183 shots - 13.6%
Alexis Sanchez: 16 goals on 44 shots - 36.3%
Antoine Griezman: 15 goals on 79 shots - 18.9%
Eden Hazard: 13 goals on 60 shots - 21.6%
Jay Rodrigues: 12 goals on 87 shots - 13.7%
Arjen Robben: 10 goals on 55 shots - 18.1%
Gareth Bale: 10 goals on 58 shots - 17.2%
Jose Callejon: 10 goals on 43 shots - 23.2%
Jefferson Farfan: 8 goals on 27 shots - 29.6%
Sidney Sam: 8 goals on 39 shots - 20.5%
Adam Lallana: 7 goals on 54 shots - 12.9%

In the example vjcsmoke gave, Lamela had 12 goals on 152 shots in 41 games. That's 7.8%. So not only is he taking a crazy huge number of shots in-game, he's scoring at a rate that is half as low as the worst real-world shooters. Half as low as his own real-world performance, even including this disastrous season.

That may fit your definition of "not far off", but it doesn't fit mine.

You ignored the rest of what I said then?

 

[Obliterati]

You ignored the rest of what I said then?

Of course I did, because you said wasn't relevant to the problem.

A 50 million dollar player with high stats across the board should not ever be taking 150 shots and hitting on 7% of them, no matter what the tactics are and no matter what his PPMs are and no matter what the game situation. It's just wildly unrealistic.

This isn't FIFA, the player isn't controlling the game's every move. If the AI is taking that many low percentage shots, then there's something wrong with the way the AI is processing information. Yes we can try to give him a ridiculous number of stifling instructions in order to keep him from launching shots from 50 yards out, but this is supposed to be simulation of professional football and professional footballers, not mindless robots that need to be told how to kick a ball.