How would you guys build the following old school tactic?

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An old long ball system as used by Dave Bassett & Bobby Gould's Wimbledon sides, Howard Wilkinson's title winning Leeds side, Dave Bassett's Sheffield United.

They all featured standard goalkeepers who could kick the entire length of the pitch, slow but monstrous centre backs, one dimensional full backs who rarely crossed the half way line, one big legbreaker in midifield (think Vinnie Jones) and one "Ratter" who would chase around biting ankles and closing down (think Dennis Wise), two bustling wingers who chased up and down and were more about work rate than skill and then the pièce de résistance the two massive lumps up front although they also sometimes used a big man small man combo.

So I'm going to have a guess that we're talking:

Mentality: Attacking (Because there's no attempt at build up, they win the ball and they get it forward)
Shape: Highly Structured (Because everyone has their job. There's hardly any movement. There were always big gaps between the various units. They created opportunities by winning their 1v1s with power and aggression.)

Team Instructions: Pump Ball Into Box or Go Route One. Much Deeper Defensive Line. Float Crosses. Get Stuck In. Prevent Short Goalkeeper Distribution. Be More Disciplined. Dribble Less. Stick To Positions.

I feel that's too many TI's but all seem historically accurate to me. Float Crosses & Pump Ball/Route One will shape the teams passing style. Deeper Defence compensates for lack of pace and mobility at the back. Get Stuck in & Prevent Keeper recreate the in your face attacking unit, Be More Disciplined, Dribble Less and Stick to Positions are there to compensate for the Attacking Mentalities default openness.

GK: GK(d) - self explanatory.
RB: FB(s) - will combine in own half but because of Team Shape will never take part in attack.
CB: DCB(d) - no frills. Row Z.
CB: CB(c) - covering depth, gives backline some insurance. Picks up second balls.
LB: FB(s) - see rb
RM: WM(s) - again, tricky, could have gone DW(d) but this offers more balance
CM: CM(d) - Vinnie Jones seems the architypical CM(d).
CM: BWM(s) - Was a tough call but that did seem to be the way this player played in the system.
LM: WM(s) - see rm

Up front I have no idea. Its tempting to have a TM(a) alongside a TM(s) but that just doesn't look right to me in terms of penetration and balance. In reality that is what they probably used to go with.
Their big man little man was also a bit odd in that someone like 5'4" Terry Gibson was probably more of a DF(s) than a poacher or AF and in the game I can't see a TM(s) and a DF(s) working all that well.

In terms of PI's and shouts. I suppose that depends on who you're playing.

Does anyone else want to offer their 2 cents?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pièce_de_résistance
 
Sounds like a solid old school tactic, it's a welcome frustration to possesion hoggers and I ocasionally tried something similar even with bigger teams - it holds hints of Leicester's grit. I feel you're building it rather well so far.

I'm fond of this tactical archetype you describe with attacking, direct mentality when I try a youth-academy-only type of team with energetic and exuberant players (e.g. Bayern Munich in the future).

Now then - first of alll - highly structured shape. You want to create precise gaps. You imperatively must put a significant faith in your CM(D) so I think this is your tactic's make or break player - you need to choose an intelligent and enduring player to be your core. Do you have him, or do you need to deputise a few tasks to the BWM? I'd treat this as a chance to tweak a malleable BWM role depending on my players' choice and on how much I trust my CM(d).

I'm not yet too knowledgeable about defense - your choice of looks quite solid to my untrained eye.

In the midfield WM(s) are a very good choice, I think, and very flexible for your formation. You have a structured shape and your specialists are most likely: BWM, DF(s) and TM, so it's wise that you've chosen your wide men to be supportive generalists. You can play anyway you want with them. You can tweak these guys every match to suit your particular ambitions and balance the midfield.

Moving on, I feel your attacking partnership could be spot on if you consider a clinical Defensive Poacher to partner the target man. It's just a slight tweak away, a blip in the page of modernisation attempts. A DF(s) who's quick, hard working and with decent finishing - oh, and ideally breaks the offside trap. Think Jamie Vardy: here's the inspiration where you can read about it - https://strikerless.com/tag/defensive-poacher/ . I had very good results with such a role.

The target man could also be a strong DLF(s) - (recommended PI: dribble less) - with a little bit of first touch and passing to play the half-poacher, or you can even withdraw him to an AMA role who loves to power it in.

If you wish to cut back on the TIs, I think I see a starting point:
Pump Ball can be a little overdoing it due to your striker partenrship, unless you're chasing the chances. Prevent short GK distribution can already be achieved by your DF(s). The others look good especially in keeping with your old school reenactment theme but that all depends on your players and their decision-making ability.
 
Thanks for the reply. I'm still tinkering with it. I'm considering the MUCH NARROWER Ti. I definitely think TM(s) is a must. Every side I described had a TM(s) whether it be Alan Cork, John Fashanu, Efan Ekoku, Lee Chapman or Brian Deane. The more research I do the more it seems they also played with either a DF(s) or a Poacher. They sometimes used a TM(s) alongside another TM(a) if they really wanted to rough up the opposition defence but more often than not they had a nasty, scrappy little player who was always on the lookout for a knockdown. Its a really brutal, ugly, in your face kind of football. I think it would be really fun to be able to develop this tactic for FM. Playing football on the ground gets a bit old after a while.
 
Pal, I really doubt that something like that would work well in FM17 because a 4-4-2 fromation is very weak this year :(
 
Thanks for the reply. I'm still tinkering with it. I'm considering the MUCH NARROWER Ti. I definitely think TM(s) is a must. Every side I described had a TM(s) whether it be Alan Cork, John Fashanu, Efan Ekoku, Lee Chapman or Brian Deane. The more research I do the more it seems they also played with either a DF(s) or a Poacher. They sometimes used a TM(s) alongside another TM(a) if they really wanted to rough up the opposition defence but more often than not they had a nasty, scrappy little player who was always on the lookout for a knockdown. Its a really brutal, ugly, in your face kind of football. I think it would be really fun to be able to develop this tactic for FM. Playing football on the ground gets a bit old after a while.

if you use TM,TM+AP work great.
TM+P,P with Roam from position is better.

My experience :

& if you play counter attacking.
you must pay attention to AI defensive line in "any time".
"any time".means,when AI have the ball,when you have the ball,when set piece for AI or you,or corner for AI.
pay attention to AI defensive line,how their CD+FB stand.Atleast you mush know the defensive line high or low.
Defensive line may change time to time,you mush know that.

how many time AI's
CD+FB stand very high ?
Watch the game more than just
Extended match highlights,because you must know what AI doing from time to time.

If you saw AI's CD+FB stand very high in 60~70% of 1st 20~30min,& you may feel AI pressing very hard.
Change you FC to P,with DLP in mc.

P with
Likes to try to beat offside trap PPM is better in this case.
&
Likes to try to beat offside trap + Tries killer balls often is best combination.
you mush allow long passing for DLP,so he will Tries many long killer balls to P.

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its will be long article to share in this case.

& when AI use an DM,with high
defensive line.I like to use AF not P.
when AI always play low
defensive line,i will add Roam from position to FC.
its a long paragraph for the reason,why i doing this.
no time for me now,maybe i share next time.
 
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