Issues with the game

[Mike.]

Can we get a screenshot of team instructions as well please.

 

[DjEoin]

im not saying ive not changed this about
and im not saying i just throw my team out there and hope for the best
what im saying is with my players and skill they should still win games even if i did

ive had 7 successful seasons and now after having my best season with my best team, everything is going to ****

so yea i am annoyed especially when it feels like people that are trying to help are just not listening to what im saying

blaming everything on counters does not help me

 

[DjEoin]

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[TheBetterHalf]

i just did answer

Thanks.

Now, my point here is to look for a pattern, never minding one or two odd matches. Look at how many CCCs you create and your conversionrate( never mind the opponents stats now). If you get about 2-4 each game, averaging 3, then you need to look at how good they actually are. If you are getting fewer than 3(always remember to include ALL matches this season, not just the ones where you struggle to score) and are having lots of possession and are getting lots of Longshots etc, them this will lot of the times lead to the following....


....namely that the players get frustrated/anxious /nervous INGAME( not after the game). Here, this oftent leads to that once they do get a good chance to score, they are now less likely to score from it than if being composed. All this leads to a vicious circle.

 

[DjEoin]

Thanks.

Now, my point here is to look for a pattern, never minding one or two odd matches. Look at how many CCCs you create and your conversionrate( never mind the opponents stats now). If you get about 2-4 each game, averaging 3, then you need to look at how good they actually are. If you are getting fewer than 3(always remember to include ALL matches this season, not just the ones where you struggle to score) and are having lots of possession and are getting lots of Longshots etc, them this will not of the times lead to the following....


....namely that the players get frustrated/anxious /nervous INGAME( not after the game). Here, this oftentimes that once they do get a good chance to score, they are now less likely to score from it than if being composed. All this leads to a vicious circle.

im having min 2 a game, my average is about 3-4 a game

i dont seem to have a good conversion rate this season but thats what i dont get, my team is full of good goal scorers

so what should i do to improve that?

 

[TheBetterHalf]

im having min 2 a game, my average is about 3-4 a game

i dont seem to have a good conversion rate this season but thats what i dont get, my team is full of good goal scorers

so what should i do to improve that?

Without actually knowing, I suspect that as the opponents now sit deeper and are playing more compact against you, your players are getting less time on the ball inside an just outside the box, meaning that the area is more crowded ad both you and the opponent are flooding the central midfield. As you are much better than the opponent, you still create chances but when your players get them, they are under more pressure, more likely to be out if balance, having the ball on their weaker foot etc.

Here, the answer would be to stretch their defence by using a wide formation and being more patient. Why not reduce the tempo by 30 %. You could also try to play with more width and just one holding MC. You could also try having more players moving between the lines, like one fullback on Attack and one winger on support.The next step would be use wingers but that might not suit your squad.

 

[Mike.]

im having min 2 a game, my average is about 3-4 a game

i dont seem to have a good conversion rate this season but thats what i dont get, my team is full of good goal scorers

so what should i do to improve that?

You are playing fluid, which typically suits one or two specialists, but you are playing 4 ( the playmakers). so you are negativing their affect somewhat.

You are also using a Poacher role, which is relatively static.

A key issue is the full back position, you are playing quite narrow, but you are not offering any with or overlaps

And your front 4 are attacking the same space often, you attack looks very 1-dimensional, and no one is breaking the line to support the striker.

Personally I'm not all that keen on narrow formations. But I would start by turn the poacher to an Advanced forward, and which ever foot is his strongest, set the player on the other side to be an AMC Attack.

I would also give one of the Full backs, an attack role, and change the BWM to CM defend, I would also remove the manual tweak to the defensive line, either use a lower mentality, or use the drop deeper shout, if you wnat a lower defensive line. Then I would see how that goes from there

 

[Mike.]

Without actually knowing, I suspect that as the opponents now sit deeper and are playing more compact against you, your players are getting less time on the ball inside an just outside the box, meaning that the area is more crowded ad both you and the opponent are flooding the central midfield. As you are much better than the opponent, you still create chances but when your players get them, they are under more pressure, more likely to be out if balance, having the ball on their weaker foot etc.

Here, the answer would be to stretch their defence by using a wide formation and being more patient. Why not reduce the tempo by 30 %. You could also try to play with more width and just one holding MC. You could also try having more players moving between the lines, like one fullback on Attack and one winger on support.The next step would be use wingers but that might not suit your squad.

Just finished my post, and you mirror my thoughts. I'm not keen at all on narrow formations when you become overwhelming favourites, too easy to defend against. As soon as the opposition go narrow and deep it becomes congested and easy to break the pattern of attack

 

[DjEoin]

ok thx for the help from the two of you

ill try and see if any of it works

 

[DjEoin]

the annoying thing is ive build my team around playing narrow

dont really have the wide players but ill try to adapt

 

[Mike.]

ok thx for the help from the two of you

ill try and see if any of it works

If you give one of the players the AMC attack role, give the full back on the opposite side, if you are going to do that. TBH and I have given slightly different ways of doing things, So don't mix and match, may destroy the balance of what we suggest. Try hers out for and while and then mine, or vice versa.

One question. The 4-2-3-1 narrow, are you trying to emulate Man city?

 

[DjEoin]

If you give one of the players the AMC attack role, give the full back on the opposite side, if you are going to do that. TBH and I have given slightly different ways of doing things, So don't mix and match, may destroy the balance of what we suggest. Try hers out for and while and then mine, or vice versa.

One question. The 4-2-3-1 narrow, are you trying to emulate Man city?

i am glad of the help, was just getting very frustrated with it all

and no i just like compact formations that control the game

i do like to play more like the Italian teams, with 3 at the back countering, like jvue and stuff, just find it very hard to play with on here

 

[TheBetterHalf]

If you give one of the players the AMC attack role, give the full back on the opposite side, if you are going to do that. TBH and I have given slightly different ways of doing things, So don't mix and match, may destroy the balance of what we suggest. Try hers out for and while and then mine, or vice versa.

One question. The 4-2-3-1 narrow, are you trying to emulate Man city?

Agree with Mike here.






DJEoin, Just try to see what we are after namely.

- you using more of the pitch.
- more stretching movement from deep along with more players dropping deep, dragging an opponent out if position
- Not tweaking too many of the sliders away from their initial settings.
- Consider if playing a narrow formation is the way to world domination. ( do be aware of that if you use a wider formation, you might see a drop in possession and if getting better chances and result, that in it self will see you get lower possession)

 

[Mike.]

i am glad of the help, was just getting very frustrated with it all

and no i just like compact formations that control the game

i do like to play more like the Italian teams, with 3 at the back countering, like jvue and stuff, just find it very hard to play with on here

I understand the frustration, FM is not very good at tell you why something isnt working.

If you want a compact Mid, you absolutely must provide overlaps from the full backs, of course there are risks in that too.

 

[MANUMAD]

the annoying thing is ive build my team around playing narrow

dont really have the wide players but ill try to adapt

1) Your formation is two narrow. I sometimes use a similar formation with OVERLOAD philosophy and players get in the way of each other.

2) You should NEVER build a team to play one way (eg narrow) only. Especially if you are wth a team too long as you are. If you like narrow formations have one as your main tactic but train also at least one wider formation and have the players to utilise it.

You say somewhere in this thread that top teams dont change tactics from year to year. That is fundamentally wrong. What they dont change is a "philosophy" but in fact they make tactical/formational changes before and even during EACH match. Otherwise whats the point of managers?!

3) Ill tell you what I do to GREAT short term and long term success nomatter what team I play as.. I never EVER got sacked and only once I ever got anywhere near in danger of that but still I ended up winning 3 trophies:

a)Train 3 formations/tactics that are varied.
b) Have 2 scouts with good attributes scout next opponent.
c) Look at their reports esp the "tactics faced" part. Identify the formation which causes them the most difficulty and choose the one formation from the 3 you have which is the most similar to it. Tweak it slightly if need be. On match day use assertive tone according to opponent and then half time etc (too long to explain this - look for threads on this such as RAIKAN's. He doesnt necessarily advise what I do but its reasonable). Watch matches on extensive and have the opposition formation screen at all times. React to what you see. It only takes about 20 minutes to see if your tactics/formation are working. If not: react. I cant tell you exactly how in a short post but I usually use shouts to react tactic wise and only go to tactics screen to change opposition instructions and/or formation. Opposition instructions are VERY important and matches can be won just cos of them: eg I usually find that if you identify the most instrumental attacking and defending players (such as an am and wing backs in a 343 formation and variations) and nullify them you will grind out results. Playing as BOLOGNA I NEVER lost to Juventus utilising this idea.
d) Talk to players. Whenever a match finishes note who did well and who did not and have relevant one to ones with them.
e) Match/general training: tailor make it to address problems (eg seem to let in goals from set pieces: train that for a couple of matches) or according to opponents: eg in Europe against top teams away where I hope to nick an away goal I train usually attacking set pieces. If I win the first leg I depending on opponent I may train defense and/or defense set pieces.

As I say in my thread, you bought a football managing simulation so GO ON AND MANAGE!:

http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/football-manager-2013-discussion/109333-manumads-box-sweets.html