Liga BBVA 2010-2011 Thread.
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Still Ibra had to adapt to new league, team. Also he is not an out and out goal scorer.
IMO, Media and many were quick to write him off. They never gave a chance for Ibra to settle and to add to that his relationship with Pep got worse.
David villa is as much flop as Ibra, IMO he is even bigger flop than Ibra for the reasons i have stated in my previous post. Just that David Villa is Spanish, Spanish media dont pick much on him..
And regarding Eto'o, No they couldn't have sold him to any team as his wage demand was too huge(Maybe City would have offered) and Inter wanted him to be part of the deal. Barca were left with no options as they would have lost Eto'o for free.
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Any team that wanted Eto'o would've got him. He's not stupid enough to have super huge wage demands if he knows he's not wanted. He would've lowered those demands eventually.
Ibra wasn't a flop and neither is Villa. Both are different players, and have done their job for the team very well. But on value for money, Villa is having a much better season.
On a lesser wages he would have stayed at Barca. He wanted super huge one, so only he moved. Barca got ****** up as they payed 40 Million plus Eto'o for Ibra and paid Ibra as much as Eto'o demanded. Ibra had bigger ego than Eto'o which backfired them later in the season.
My initial point was Ibra was labeled flop at around this time of the season despite having better season than Villa.
A very slightly better season, but they paid so much more money for him that you can see why he's labelled a flop. Same as Torres.
Torres was a £50M signing, and scored his first goal today despite signing in January and playing in 14 matches.
Carroll was a £35M signing, and scored twice since he first played, yet he's not labelled a flop.
Neither have done much special but the price is a massive factor of expectancy.
Maybe, but still i wont accept that. Player should be judged on performance and Ibra didn't get any time to settle in the team and adjust to the league. And also relationship with Pep didn't help either.
And Ibra had more assists than Villa, and also Villa has missed so many chances, it was unreal. Had it been Villa of Valencia, he would have scored near 30 goals this season..
Exactly. So many chances that he could easily have scored 30 goals this season, but he's been off form and hasn't. We all know Villa can play much better than he has been doing.
Exactly my point. 2 players didn't play as well as they could, but one got abused dog bollocks, the other one's form is not even talked about.
More than the money the club paid, i think it was Ibra's arrogance which made him the flop. Media just wanted to write **** about him. We all know how much stick arrogant player gets while others don't..
I genuinely can't believe I've read this.
If you can read other posts as well you might believe what you have read
And also very good that you have picked up only part of the post while ignored the reason why i thought so..
If you can read other posts as well you might believe what you have read
And also very good that you have picked up only part of the post while ignored the reason why i thought so..
Well no I can see the reasons why, I just don't agree with them. Of course price has huge implications as to whether you're a 'flop' or not; Shevchenko was brought for £30m by Chelsea and his time there is now seen as a failure, meaning he was a flop; due to his enormous price tag. If on the other hand, he was brought for half the price, his tenure wouldn't be looked at as badly, yes it would still be poor but at the end of the day, whether you are a flop or not is massively determined by pricetag.
Going by that logic even Villa should be labeled as flop isn't it. He was signed for some 35 Million and he has scored just 22 goals in some 45 games. With the price tag and the scoring record he had, he should have scored at lest 30 with the service he is getting.
Even going by performance Ibra didn't miss so many easy chances as Villa did..
And even if Sheva was signed for free he would have been labeled as flop.
No of course he shouldn't be, the difference with Shevchenko is that he scored 9 goals in 47 games which roughly equates to a goal every 5 games, Villa has an average of about 1 in 2 for Barca.
In league games for Barcelona, Ibrahimovic scored 16 in 29 games; David Villa has 17 in 25. Also look at what Messi is doing with this season in comparison to last season as well, whether this has anything to do with Villa we don't know, but as an attacking force with him, Messi and Pedro chopping and changing they look far more impressive.
9 in 47 is a flop even if signed for free considering the wages he would be getting.
Not much difference in the league goals too. I'm sure Ibra had more assists though. Also like i said Ibra had to adapt to new league whereas Villa was playing in the league for a decade.
With such a small difference, Ibra got so much abuse, which is what i pointed out. Not whether Villa, Ibra were flop or not..
Then i followed it up with If Ibra was a flop then even Villa too..
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Congratulations to Messi for scoring his 50th goal of the season. Remarkable feat..
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Xavi didnt shake hand with Arbeloa and Ramos and did only with Iker. He said they both are not his friends. What a *****. Have never seen a sore loser than him. He is a great player but i dont think i hate any player more than him bar Balotelli.
Another Gem, Pique..
Thats why i hate the midget army..
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Just look how all Barca players started running towrds Ref including Valdes. I have said it before, Pep is not as good as everyone thinks. Just giving a press conference with a smile doesn't make him angel. There was pic where Pep was protrayed as Angel with a devil tail. Thats a perfect picture. There is no way any manager would let this happen week in week out.
So many players under Rijkaard never did this. Bunch of cheating midget army.
To top it all Barca had the nerve to complaion. Jeez. Shame of a club.
Dude get a life...we get it Barcelona dove a lot that game, but it's not the first time nor the last time that has happened in football, and no unfair penalties were won or anything. You spend so much time and energy posting about how evil Barca is that it's just getting sad. Just because two or three players have an acting problem doesn't mean that it's a "pathetic club" or that Guardiola is evil or that they should be hated by everyone. Every team has a diver or two and an annoying actor or two, look at Nani at ManU. And anyway, the disappointing amount of bitchiness is mostly due to it being a ****** 0-0 defensive game. Had RM decided to go out and play a bit of football for once guaranteed there wouldn't have been any of those problems.
Irony that you posted this after posting 100,000 words post in Jose is overrated thread. No Barca dont have 2-3 players. They have 11 in the first 11 and 25 in the whole squad. Shame that David Villa has changed so much after joining Barca.
It is not just about diving, did you see how the whole team attacks ref for small decisions, crying for cards for every small foul? Midget army.
No I'm not asking anyone to hate them as it is none of my concern unlike you who went on how everyone should love their game. I just post what i feel about the club and i haven't asked anyone to follow my route.
Oh no unfair penalties were given, but the key player who was holding Madrid team was sent off coz of which they lost the tie and champions league.
When Rijkaard was the manager this was not the case. Players didnt hound ref like they do now. Ever since Pep took over, you can see how everyone attacks ref.
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one thing i'll say about Barca is that they are like a pack of dogs always surrounding the ref, their acting really deserves an oscar it was never a red and that really killed the game.
everyone sees barca as such a team with a holy attitude but really some of the things they have done under Pep have been a disgrace
everyone sees barca as such a team with a holy attitude but really some of the things they have done under Pep have been a disgrace
9 in 47 is a flop even if signed for free considering the wages he would be getting.
Not much difference in the league goals too. I'm sure Ibra had more assists though. Also like i said Ibra had to adapt to new league whereas Villa was playing in the league for a decade.
With such a small difference, Ibra got so much abuse, which is what i pointed out. Not whether Villa, Ibra were flop or not..
Then i followed it up with If Ibra was a flop then even Villa too..
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Congratulations to Messi for scoring his 50th goal of the season. Remarkable feat..
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Xavi didnt shake hand with Arbeloa and Ramos and did only with Iker. He said they both are not his friends. What a *****. Have never seen a sore loser than him. He is a great player but i dont think i hate any player more than him bar Balotelli.
Another Gem, Pique..
Thats why i hate the midget army..
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Just look how all Barca players started running towrds Ref including Valdes. I have said it before, Pep is not as good as everyone thinks. Just giving a press conference with a smile doesn't make him angel. There was pic where Pep was protrayed as Angel with a devil tail. Thats a perfect picture. There is no way any manager would let this happen week in week out.
So many players under Rijkaard never did this. Bunch of cheating midget army.
To top it all Barca had the nerve to complaion. Jeez. Shame of a club.
******* ****. We get Barcelona dive and that you hate them but some of the stuff you spout out with is just ridiculous. Both teams are as bad as each other (Madrid usually worse), both teams are shocking yet you never have a go at Madrid. You make out they are some angels when it is the complete opposite.
And of course Barcelona have the right to complain, what Mourinho did was just shocking. I can understand blaming the ref and having a go but saying Barcelona get decisions because they have a charity on their shirt is just shocking. Going further to say that the head of the Spanish fa is corrupt is just ridiculous. Yes, Barcelona get the decisions but so do Madrid. The way Madrid go about the game they will get people sent off.
What Mourinho did was shocking.
No mention of the monkey chants at Dani Alves - no matter what he did he did not deserve that.
I never actually heard the chants made at alves if they were made than it is sickening
I am not saying that Real are innocent but i hate how people always see us as the villains and barca as such a holy team when in fact they are as bad as each other
I am not saying that Real are innocent but i hate how people always see us as the villains and barca as such a holy team when in fact they are as bad as each other
I have clearly said it is not just about diving, more about play acting and hounding the ref for every decision which Madrid didn't do. Even if they did it was negligible. That was how Barca acted.
I haven't made a single post on Madrid, then how can i say they are angels. Hounding and trying to con ref in every possible way is what frustrates me, that Madrid never did. So i didn't have a go at them.
When you have a team who were man down for 5 consecutive games against Barca, then it needs some thinking. I'm glad Jose said what many had in their mind.
And FFS Pepe made No/Faintest of contact with Alves. It was world class acting from Alves that made ref to show red card. Not the tackle. Biscuits made worse tackle but didn't even get yellow.
Did you miss Biscuits calling Marcelo monkey? Which was clearly caught in the video. That was after Biscuits went down holding his face when Marcelo touched his chest.
I have said many time, I hate the midgets coz of their play acting, acting as if they are dead for fiantest of touches, hounding ref for every small decision. No team in the world does this. There will be rare occassions where team does that, but not week in week out like Barca.
Pedro going to ground trying to send Arbeloa off. David Villa going to groung at every chance.
Biscuits, i wont even talk about him and Alves.