Low PA players with good stats

[eupheus]

I'm managing Manchester United and there are a few players that doesn't have great potential but looks like they could still do a good job for the team.

Some of these players include Lingard, Tunnicliffe, Petrucci and Ekangamene.

What do I do ? I'm thinking of selling them but I'm reluctant to do so due to me wanting them to succeed.

 

[tommyd150]

they have low PA become your Man United so you will probs have world class players who play in there position so there rating wont be as high they decent back up i suppose

 

[eupheus]

I don't think it has anything to do with squad players ratings. CA is the one that is relative to it.
Januzaj's PA is 4.5 stars.

So should I sell them ?

 

[Kwarkzak]

In FM12, One of my most effective players was the shittiest of the entire team. It was just that those stats he had fitted the role he performed in the team.
Look at it like this: you won't keep a worldbeater on your bench and happy for long, let alone the wages they demand. If one of these blokes is good enough as a rotation option, why not keep him around? Means more money left to spend on other aspects of the team.

 

[Sp3aker]

The best managers are ruthless

If you're never going to even possibly be good enough to break into my first 11, then I sell them.

 

[apvmoreira]

I always have 22 players, one for each position. They all rotate, so everybody is happy and fit. If some of them are ok and do the job (like Contento in Bayern), i keep them until a regen appear.

If keeping them just because they are fine but you don't use them, sell asap

 

[Dynamo_ZahnZee]

I judge players by their performances and sometimes stats count for nothing. Jay Spearing always played out of his skin for me for Liverpool in FM10/11 and I kept him at the club for 4-5 season despite him being considered (by scouts) a Championship player.

 

[FootballManagerG0D]

I always have 22 players, one for each position. They all rotate, so everybody is happy and fit. If some of them are ok and do the job (like Contento in Bayern), i keep them until a regen appear.

If keeping them just because they are fine but you don't use them, sell asap

You used Diego Contento over Alaba? Other than that I agree with apvmoreira, 22 players, you should have at least one backup in every position, unless it's a position you play with 2 of, like CM or CB. then have 3 backups.

 

[apvmoreira]

You used Diego Contento over Alaba? Other than that I agree with apvmoreira, 22 players, you should have at least one backup in every position, unless it's a position you play with 2 of, like CM or CB. then have 3 backups.

No, i use Alaba as 1st team and Contento as a backup. My point was that Contento is a 2 start player that does the job, not being brilliant, and if he has that kind of player in United, keep it.

 

[SFolio]

I don't think it has anything to do with squad players ratings. CA is the one that is relative to it.
Januzaj's PA is 4.5 stars.

So should I sell them ?

It does. Januzaj's is 5 star potential for most other teams looking at him

 

[FootballManagerG0D]

apvmoreira: Totally get what you mean now, have a 2* CB be a god for me when he's needed.


SFolio is right, current and potential ability star ratings are based on your current options in that position. Like if you have ever had a player who has 4* out of his 4* yet it still says can improve a lot in the near future, it just means he is the best in your team in that spot, so current ability and potential ability is compared to himself in the stars at the top.

 

[tommyd150]

Btw DO NOT SELL Januzaj hes different class but if you are Man United use Nick Powell hes very good

 

[eupheus]

I've got another question. If a 22 year old is still in the u21 squad and has 2 to 3 star potential, should I either loan him out again, sell him, give him a chance in the first team or keep him in the u21 squad ?

 

[tommyd150]

people over 21 can play in U21 cause its actually reserve team so can have like 5 players over 21 if you can loan them out to a decent team with good training facilitates then do it but if not use them in cup games and against teams who are like bottom of league and get players to tutor them.

 

[eupheus]

people over 21 can play in U21 cause its actually reserve team so can have like 5 players over 21 if you can loan them out to a decent team with good training facilitates then do it but if not use them in cup games and against teams who are like bottom of league and get players to tutor them.

Is there a possibility for potential to increase ?

 

[Vanjagl]

It's all down to stats in the end. High CA doesn't mean player will play good. Lot of CA goes away on weaker foot (1.5 CA per level), which is staggering 30CA if he has 20 weaker foot. Imagine how good player with 190CA and 1 weaker foot would look? Well, go to editor and edit Nani's weaker foot. Then load new game and see his stats. Did you ever wonder why some players never got 'either' for their feet? Well, this is why. Take Ronaldo for example. He has very good left foot and he deserves at least 15 or 16 weaker foot. But that means with current stats, his CA would go probably over 200. Anyway, that can be the factor that keeps those 'low potential' players good players. Their stats. Not CA alone.

 

[railesh]

High CA doesn't mean player will play good. Lot of CA goes away on weaker foot (1.5 CA per level), which is staggering 30CA if he has 20 weaker foot. Imagine how good player with 190CA and 1 weaker foot would look?

Hi man, sorry but i did not understand a thing about that. I am not being rude, can you please explain to me?

Well, i have taken control of Manchester United, scouted ( using genie scout) and made a list per position ( the listed players are not because they have high PA but my personal preference). I don't like splashing the cash on worldclass players. I like the idea of getting a cheap players who can perform well and have the right stats in the right places for the role i would ask them to perform, i can tutor them and improve them. So i got list of players with a PA of 140-150 who have good attributes (i will post a list later today as am at work now). These players on that list are for if i happen to sell a first teamer and i promote the backup player to first teamer, i need a new backup. The thing is that i am sure if i can improve their mentality through tutoring, training and match practice, they can establish themselves as attribute wise, they seem decent. Do you people think it is a good idea to get those players with PA 140-150?

 

[Vanjagl]

Hi man, sorry but i did not understand a thing about that. I am not being rude, can you please explain to me?

Well, i have taken control of Manchester United, scouted ( using genie scout) and made a list per position ( the listed players are not because they have high PA but my personal preference). I don't like splashing the cash on worldclass players. I like the idea of getting a cheap players who can perform well and have the right stats in the right places for the role i would ask them to perform, i can tutor them and improve them. So i got list of players with a PA of 140-150 who have good attributes (i will post a list later today as am at work now). These players on that list are for if i happen to sell a first teamer and i promote the backup player to first teamer, i need a new backup. The thing is that i am sure if i can improve their mentality through tutoring, training and match practice, they can establish themselves as attribute wise, they seem decent. Do you people think it is a good idea to get those players with PA 140-150?

Ok, let's start with basics. Every player has current ability and potential ability ( how good they can be in the future and that number is determined at the start of each save and it cannot be changed without editors), thus CA and PA. Each level of stats take some part of players CA. Let's say you have player who has 1 for heading and you edit his stats to have 2 for heading. His CA should rise. However you may not see it if you check his CA again. So let's say you increase his level of heading by 3 and when you check his CA it grew by 1. Same goes with weaker foot. It takes part in players ability. The higher the level of his weaker foot is, the larger amount of CA is taken. One level of weaker foot ( it spreads from 1-20) takes 1.5CA. So you have player who has 150CA and 1 weaker foot ( very weak in position screen, although very weak spreads from 1-7) and then you have player who has 150CA and 10 weaker foot (reasonable in position screen). That means player with 150CA/1WF has 148.5 CA to spend on his attributes and player with 150CA/10WF has 135CA to spend on attributes. Thus player with lower weaker foot and same potential looks better than the other player. Another very important thing SI did this year is separate key stats for each position. If two players have same stats but play on different position, it's very likely they will have different CA. Also, Pace and Acceleration takes the most CA per level. It can be up to 3 CA per level. If player doesn't have stellar pace and acceleration, that probably means he can have great technical attributes ( look at RVP). I'll post SS of some guy I edited so you can see his CA and his stats when his pace and acceleration are below 5. It's unbelievable.

Also, for United, you should look for players with 160CA as backup players. You can have player with 150CA but like I said, his stats need to be good.

 

[eupheus]

Also, for United, you should look for players with 160CA as backup players. You can have player with 150CA but like I said, his stats need to be good.

How many stars would be considered 160CA ?

 

[Vanjagl]

How many stars would be considered 160CA ?

Depends on lot of things like your reputation and players who you have in team. If you're Barcelona, it probably will be 2.5-3*. If you're Fulham it will be 3.5-4*.