Lower League Team Managers ,I have an important question to ask...

[Ursulla]

I would like to ask those of you who are managing Lower League Teams or out of past experience to advice me in regards how should I go about hiring staff members for my under 18 squad...
The boards advice and allow me to hire 4 Staff members for my under 18 squad...
1)Head of youth development
2)Under 18 Head Coach
3)Under 18 Assistant Coach
4) One other under 18 staff (Coach, Goalkeeper coach, Fitness Coach) ...

So my question is which do you hire and what are your reasons behind hiring them...Any Advice would be greatly appreciated...

 

[doyce7]

I usually don't hire an assistant coach for u18s, I prefer to have a well rounded coach and either a goalkeeper coach or fitness coach. Both are cheaper than the assistant and bring similar benefits. Course I kind of consider myself to be the "head coach" of all my teams and the u18 head coach my assistant.

 

[Ursulla]

I usually don't hire an assistant coach for u18s, I prefer to have a well rounded coach and either a goalkeeper coach or fitness coach. Both are cheaper than the assistant and bring similar benefits. Course I kind of consider myself to be the "head coach" of all my teams and the u18 head coach my assistant.

Thanks, But I can't hire both well rounded coach and at the same time a specialist coach...Only one staff from category 4...Which means only 1 staff member according to your suggestion?...

 

[doyce7]

I misunderstood my thinking was 4 total coaches and so I would replace the assistant. If the board requires an assistant then I'd say go with a well rounded coach to help with training. Unless you have a top knoch assistant and a good head coach that can handle the outfielders by themselves. If both are good then a goalkeeper coach might be the best option.

 

[managingmanager]

Depends on your and your U18 manager's attributes. Ideally, one of you has good fitness coaching, so you can hire a GK coach, and find a U18 asst mgr with well-rounded coaching attributes

 

[Ursulla]

Depends on your and your U18 manager's attributes. Ideally, one of you has good fitness coaching, so you can hire a GK coach, and find a U18 asst mgr with well-rounded coaching attributes

That is exactly what I am doing now...Would putting ADDS offer me new staff members to hire or are they just the same staff members I see when searching a specifc role? And what about the budget,would it be a heavy burden to employ 4 staff members for my under 18 squad or is it soemthing my board could live with?

 

[managingmanager]

Well your staff wages comes right out of your wage budget, so that's for you to decide. I don't believe ads will solicit a response from staff that you can't find yourself from the staff search page, with or without the unrealistic transfer filter. If anything, I find the quality of the staff responding to my ads to be subpar in most cases.

One thing to add about the Head of Youth Development. If you're a lower league team, and expect to progress through the leagues at a decent pace, I don't see much value in hiring one. Your current youth players, and any that he finds in the future while you're still in that league, likely won't be good enough. Most will only be good enough to play in the league you're currently in, even at full potential. So by the time they develop, you'd be playing in a higher league, and would have no use for them.

 

[seacow]

you need to consider whether your youth system is capable of bringing through any decent talent. i am currently managin hyde in the conference and only have a u18s manager as anything more in a waste of money. i plan to rise through the divsions quicker than i can produce the players for the division so until i build the facilities to a better level i would rather spend the budgeted staff wages on better players

 

[Ursulla]

Well your staff wages comes right out of your wage budget, so that's for you to decide. I don't believe ads will solicit a response from staff that you can't find yourself from the staff search page, with or without the unrealistic transfer filter. If anything, I find the quality of the staff responding to my ads to be subpar in most cases.

One thing to add about the Head of Youth Development. If you're a lower league team, and expect to progress through the leagues at a decent pace, I don't see much value in hiring one. Your current youth players, and any that he finds in the future while you're still in that league, likely won't be good enough. Most will only be good enough to play in the league you're currently in, even at full potential. So by the time they develop, you'd be playing in a higher league, and would have no use for them.

Thanks,that is all really useful info...I was hoping for HoYD to find me new promising youngsters that I could sell to bigger clubs making a little bit of profit out of them rather than develop them myself with my poor facilities...Is such a scenario is imaginary?

 

[seacow]

from my experience the more money your club invests into the youth set up as a whole the better the standard of youth player. the HOYD will impact this but not enough to unearth a prem quality player at a league 2 club

 

[managingmanager]

Thanks,that is all really useful info...I was hoping for HoYD to find me new promising youngsters that I could sell to bigger clubs making a little bit of profit out of them rather than develop them myself with my poor facilities...Is such a scenario is imaginary?

Bigger clubs have such an extensive youth recruitment network that they won't be interested in your youth players, even if you do manage to somehow get a player with high enough potential.

You should also heed what seacow said, if your youth players aren't good enough for the higher league, it may be a waste of money and time to hire good U18 staff. But in a lower league, I'd imagine your board limits your number of senior coaches as well, in which case signing U18 coaches can be good way to bypass that restriction, since youth coaches also work with senior players.

 

[Ursulla]

you need to consider whether your youth system is capable of bringing through any decent talent. i am currently managin hyde in the conference and only have a u18s manager as anything more in a waste of money. i plan to rise through the divsions quicker than i can produce the players for the division so until i build the facilities to a better level i would rather spend the budgeted staff wages on better players

That sounds like a sensible plan...So why do you need the Under 18 squad manager ...Isn't he a waste of money?When I look at my league teams I see that almost all of them uses HoYD and almost none uses Under 18 Manager...HoYD could also train and at the same time could find talents and bring new promising talents during the annual youth intake...I can always use my under 21 manager to manage also under 18 squad...I have my HoYD with a model professional personality which is the best for his role...

 

[Ursulla]

Bigger clubs have such an extensive youth recruitment network that they won't be interested in your youth players, even if you do manage to somehow get a player with high enough potential.

You should also heed what seacow said, if your youth players aren't good enough for the higher league, it may be a waste of money and time to hire good U18 staff. But in a lower league, I'd imagine your board limits your number of senior coaches as well, in which case signing U18 coaches can be good way to bypass that restriction, since youth coaches also work with senior players.

I'm afraid they can't...Only Under 21 staff could do that...So I can't beat the system one way or another...

 

[seacow]

i dont use my u21 at this level so dont have an u21 manager, if a player is good enough to graduate my u18s i put them in my first team squad and make available for reserve fixtures to keep up fitness. i keep an u18 manager as i may get 1 player each intake or find a good young freebie a season that i place in my u18s for development(trusting my u18 manager to coach and develop as he should have closer contact with the player than a HOYD might as they look at recruitment. all of this is my own personal viewpoint and im sure there are plenty out there that believe the opposite. i would rather get all 1 star potential youth intake and afford to sign a 4/5 star first team player than get a bunch of 2.5 star youth players and not be able to afford the extra player at a LLM level. dont get me wrong as soon as i hit league 1 i will 100% have a HOYD but in the conference its simpler and more effective to feed of prem clubs castaways

 

[Ursulla]

from my experience the more money your club invests into the youth set up as a whole the better the standard of youth player. the HOYD will impact this but not enough to unearth a prem quality player at a league 2 club

So HoYD by himself can't find players with a potential higher than my level ?! That is bad news...How are you going to raise the funds for higher set up ?What could possibly make the board willing to build a better facilities?When is it a good timing to ask them?

 

[seacow]

there is every chance he can but if you look IRL at where each player is playing 97% of them came through the academy of clubs at the same/higher level (youth level). the best way to make money is to get promoted and go far in the cups without spending beyond your means. i like to raise 500k or 1m in the bank before asking for a youth upgrade, and the higher the league you play in the more likely the board will invest, if you are trying to progress without buying any transfers then be prepared for a long save. it is doable but hard work.

 

[managingmanager]

I'm afraid they can't...Only Under 21 staff could do that...So I can't beat the system one way or another...

Really??

So HoYD by himself can't find players with a potential higher than my level ?! That is bad news...How are you going to raise the funds for higher set up ?What could possibly make the board willing to build a better facilities?When is it a good timing to ask them?

First and foremost make sure your club's finances are at least stable. Other than that it's always good to make board requests when their confidence in you is high. Ideally, when confidence is high, your contract is running out and they propose opening contract talks. Right after I secured the League 1 title (and automatic promotion), I requested buying our current stadium, they said no, I said something, and they agreed. Then immediately asked to open contract talks as a reward for my success, they asked if there were any requests I wanted to make, I said expand training facilities AND youth facilities. They agreed to do so as soon as I sign a new contract.

I've had other instances, where the board (same team) would not agree to removing a playing philosophy. Waited till their confidence in me was high, I suggested a new contract, and asked that this philosophy me removed, and they agreed.

Edit: Also, it's my understanding that the higher your determination attribute, the more likely the board will accept your requests.

 

[Ursulla]

Really??



First and foremost make sure your club's finances are at least stable. Other than that it's always good to make board requests when their confidence in you is high. Ideally, when confidence is high, your contract is running out and they propose opening contract talks. Right after I secured the League 1 title (and automatic promotion), I requested buying our current stadium, they said no, I said something, and they agreed. Then immediately asked to open contract talks as a reward for my success, they asked if there were any requests I wanted to make, I said expand training facilities AND youth facilities. They agreed to do so as soon as I sign a new contract.

I've had other instances, where the board (same team) would not agree to removing a playing philosophy. Waited till their confidence in me was high, I suggested a new contract, and asked that this philosophy me removed, and they agreed.

Edit: Also, it's my understanding that the higher your determination attribute, the more likely the board will accept your requests.

abouth the coaches it's really true...You can look if you want at the official guide here
http://www.guidetofootballmanager.com/staff/staff-roles/coaches down at that page you will find Under 18 coaches...

When you say confidence high you mean 80% or 90 %?(I mean the bar of confidence)

Did manage to make profits by seling players?(how big is your pool of players database)...

How much does it cost to make an upgrade of facilities?

Which facilities set up would be enough to start your own youth recruitment?

 

[managingmanager]

abouth the coaches it's really true...You can look if you want at the official guide here
http://www.guidetofootballmanager.com/staff/staff-roles/coaches down at that page you will find Under 18 coaches...

When you say confidence high you mean 80% or 90 %?(I mean the bar of confidence)

Did manage to make profits by seling players?(how big is your pool of players database)...

How much does it cost to make an upgrade of facilities?

Which facilities set up would be enough to start your own youth recruitment?

When I got the stadium, youth facilities, and training facilities all at once, mine was around 80%, but I'd say give it a go anywhere 70 & above.

What players?

The upgrade will probably get more costly as your facilities get better. I don't know how much it costs, but generally, if your club finances are stable or good, you should be fine, as long as your facilities are not already at the level of higher divisions.

Not sure what you mean by the youth recruitment. I would think it depends on your club's level of youth recruitment, rather than facilities. Then, once you recruit these players, obviously you need decent youth facilities and coaches to develop them. My youth facilities are pretty junk at the moment (improvements are not complete yet), but I have an average youth recruitment and I do get some decent options coming through (potential 3-3.5). I got a 16 year old French winger 1.5 gold stars CA, and 4-5 star potential, so I'm pretty excited to see how he develops.

 

[Ursulla]

When I got the stadium, youth facilities, and training facilities all at once, mine was around 80%, but I'd say give it a go anywhere 70 & above.

What players?

The upgrade will probably get more costly as your facilities get better. I don't know how much it costs, but generally, if your club finances are stable or good, you should be fine, as long as your facilities are not already at the level of higher divisions.

Not sure what you mean by the youth recruitment. I would think it depends on your club's level of youth recruitment, rather than facilities. Then, once you recruit these players, obviously you need decent youth facilities and coaches to develop them. My youth facilities are pretty junk at the moment (improvements are not complete yet), but I have an average youth recruitment and I do get some decent options coming through (potential 3-3.5). I got a 16 year old French winger 1.5 gold stars CA, and 4-5 star potential, so I'm pretty excited to see how he develops.

Important part of the game is the transfer market ,So looking at your transer market history ,have you sold any players to make a profit out of them...Is FM 15 A.I has interest of buying any of your players ,let's say 3 teams competing for one of your promising players,that sort of thing...An opportunity to make extra cash that you could invest in your facilities...Or you are competing with other clubs to capture a player....I'm using small database of players in order to increase interest of that aspect of he game...