I've been working in direct style for some time, and I can safetly say its a bad formation to play direct, direct is about strikers creating chances for themselves, while the rest of team stay behind the ball. The formation you using favors possession to create chances in many ways. I recommend something with defensive wingers and full backs if they are reliable defenders 4-4-2, otherwise use 3-5-2. Strikers with attack duty, preferably strong/tall + fast/dribbler. A lone Advanced forward or poacher also work well if you have a tall Attacking Midfielder (AMC/ST) to play 4-4-1-1.
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but we're trying to re-create Mourinho's Chelsea of old...he didn't use a 4-4-2 or a 3-5-2 or 4-4-1-1
I'm going to shelve the Porto tactic as I dont think it is possible to implement it at this time, from my research they played with a very high defensive line, and played the offside trap extremely well but in FM this is very easy to punish for the AI with a long ball over the top..
I will research the chelsea games and see what is possible with them over the next few days
I will research the chelsea games and see what is possible with them over the next few days
Currently testing Chelsea tactic seems ok so far. will update following real testing
I've tried to create the current Mourinho Chelsea tactic and it failed miserably in the game, lol, much like it's IRL.Boring football, losing random away games to the likes of Basel or Stoke.
im not even sure mourinho knows what he is doing at chelsea this season, the special one so far has been a bit "special" just like moyes
Moyes has been a lot worse. xD
Mourinho isn't a coach for the possession football Roman insists on playing. He also tends to favor the players he himself can create at young age, like Oscar, Hazard. I'm surprised to see Mata sidelines (Yes he's playing recently but that's cuz Oscar is injured) and KdB is totally out of picture. I have really high hopes for KdB and he only cost 7M. We wasted 30M+ on Willian. Also Mourinho favors hard working physical players like Ramires more than technical it seems and Ramires isn't a perfect fit for the system he's attempting to play.
I'm a bit surprised that he hasn't been all that angry and frustrated after loses this time, he seems calmer, I prefer anger when losing to teams like Stoke. Chelsea have been absolutely dreadful to watch, we're just scraping games since the second game against Aston Villa. The likes of Cardiff and Norwich have caused us trouble and he's had to go Overload mode with two strikers to grind results. A right back is playing left back and doing better than current right back but still can't displace him out of the team. I've to say I'm a bit disappointed.
Going to offer this up for testing, it is a 41221 based on the old guard Chelsea team, who played under Mourinho.
in my short tests I have scored an average of 3 goals per game and conceded an average of 0.23 per game.
it is a counter attacking tactic that may not suit all teams due it the influence of certain player roles but I think its effective for any team with the right players. It is still a work in progress but as uni takes priority full testing and updating might take too long.
cheers guys
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in my short tests I have scored an average of 3 goals per game and conceded an average of 0.23 per game.
it is a counter attacking tactic that may not suit all teams due it the influence of certain player roles but I think its effective for any team with the right players. It is still a work in progress but as uni takes priority full testing and updating might take too long.
cheers guys
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Agreed, Moyes has been worse haha
Mourinho has matured as a professional since the last time he was at chelsea. His temperament in the public eye is much more media friendly but I would expect the same passionate person behind closed doors and can bet my life on the team being micro managed to suit him better and results will come by the end of the season.
The team selection issues is something as outsiders we cant really understand, attitude in training, ability to play how mourinho wants will be affecting this regardless of how good the players are technically.
I'm willing to test your tactic mate (Winning with Sacchi tactic is boring ahah). I love counter attack tactics/approaches and they seem to be so few in here. Have a couple questions for you:
1- Do you think this can be used as a long term approach and build a team around this? I mean developing other formation (like with a AMC or 2 DMC, etc), mold the players (PPM, right training, etc), bring the players, etc.
2- I see that you have the shout "drop the D-line". Isn't a bit too much since you have the counter strategy? Just asking, not criticizing
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3- How about the training? Ofc depends on the team as Mourinho seems always to improve the weak links in the team (focusing attacking, defense, decisions, etc). But I'm thinking in the likes of team cohesion or tactics to improve decisions, etc. Match preparations will be defense positioning;
4- Finally do you use OI's? I think this is important regarding the way Mourinho prepares his teams.
Cheers in advance.
1- Do you think this can be used as a long term approach and build a team around this? I mean developing other formation (like with a AMC or 2 DMC, etc), mold the players (PPM, right training, etc), bring the players, etc.
2- I see that you have the shout "drop the D-line". Isn't a bit too much since you have the counter strategy? Just asking, not criticizing
;3- How about the training? Ofc depends on the team as Mourinho seems always to improve the weak links in the team (focusing attacking, defense, decisions, etc). But I'm thinking in the likes of team cohesion or tactics to improve decisions, etc. Match preparations will be defense positioning;
4- Finally do you use OI's? I think this is important regarding the way Mourinho prepares his teams.
Cheers in advance.
Well from KdB's interviews he really doesn't have a problem with not playing so much, although he does hope he'll play more, Mourinho has said in interviews that he works hard and trains well, let's see. I have big hopes for the kid and can play in Lampard role in 4-3-3.
I'm willing to test your tactic mate (Winning with Sacchi tactic is boring ahah). I love counter attack tactics/approaches and they seem to be so few in here. Have a couple questions for you:
1- Do you think this can be used as a long term approach and build a team around this? I mean developing other formation (like with a AMC or 2 DMC, etc), mold the players (PPM, right training, etc), bring the players, etc.
2- I see that you have the shout "drop the D-line". Isn't a bit too much since you have the counter strategy? Just asking, not criticizing
3- How about the training? Ofc depends on the team as Mourinho seems always to improve the weak links in the team (focusing attacking, defense, decisions, etc). But I'm thinking in the likes of team cohesion or tactics to improve decisions, etc. Match preparations will be defense positioning;
4- Finally do you use OI's? I think this is important regarding the way Mourinho prepares his teams.
Cheers in advance.
1, I'm not sure entirely what you mean, u can develop a team to play this way yes, but success will take time. In regards to an amc, or 2 dmc this would be further developing a team to play differently. This one is based on an approach by Mourinho.
2, I don't thus it is a bit much, from my interpretation this strategy is used to park the bus and invite teams to push forward created space in behind.
3, training is dependant on player needs. I always use balanced no matter what but this is again up to individual preference. Match prep indeed defensive positioning.
4. Oi's I set to assistant always too. No matter which tactic I use as this provides defense against individual threats which change from game to game.
thanks man,
remember it is up for testing so not final tactic, so be as critical as you can if you give feedback
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cheers mate!
First of all: thank you mate, it is a pleasure to use this tactic!
I started a save with Blackburn Rovers applying your approach. First season in Championship was fantastic. Whilst media valued me 12th, I totally overachieved and dominated the league. I applied your tactic after matchday 7. From that on your tactic made me draw a nice hockey stick development. Some impressions:
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Wigan steamrolled...
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Rhodes (CF), Josh King & Ben Marshall (IFs), Jason Lowe (Anchorman\BBM) and Scott Dann (CD) played outstanding seasons. The tackling statistics were tremendous.
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My transfer budget is/was very low due to a significantly increased wage budget from existing contracts. And - I really learned about the clubs turbulent history here - Rovers huge amount of accumulated debts over the years.
So I only was able to get two lads: J. Lescott (CD) for free and L. Cattermole (Anchorman (A)) for some EUR 7 mios. Thats my performance so far.
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Beating the kinds of Arsenal, Chelsea (3-4 away) and L`pool looks great, but I have got the feeling the opponents are increasingly adapting the tactical approach.
Any alteration ideas to become more versatile?
Thanks again
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I had forgotten about this tactic ever since the break I took from FM but just tried it again and omg you lovely beast.
I actually beat Jose Mourinho himself with this tactic, City(managed by Jose, after Pellegrini was sacked) recently smashed me 3-1 in community shield and I had a game at Etihad just after 3 weeks.
I knew that if I went with counter-attacking tactics at start, Mourinho would be cautious and hence won't concede, so I went attacking for like first 30 minutes (I like to live dangerously) and they tried to counter but I managed first half 0-0 without creating any chances, nor letting them create. (played low tempo, control in their half), second half I went with this tactic and Joe had changed to 4-2-4, and I had feeding frenzy on the counter, won 2-0!
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yes this if or 2011 but this is look likes real murinho tactics
yes this if or 2011 but this is look likes real murinho tactics
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gk-cech gk d
rb-ferriera limited fb def
cbr-carvalho cb cover
cbl-terry limited cb stopper
lb-bridge fb supp
dm-makelele anch def
cmr-essien bwm def (with get further forward)
cml lampard b2b sup (with more shots)
amr-robben if att
aml-cole if att
st-drogba tm supp
very rigid (season 2 switch to rigid) , defensive , more direct , pass into space , deeper def line , stand off , more disciplined , stick to positions.
To create the movement of the if's allow wide players to swap and in the tactics set right footed players in the amr as wingers att and in aml as if att. Left footed players in amr as if att and in aml as wingers att. Your st has to be a complete forward but plays the target man role in sup so to link play with your wide men and the b2b player. When full backs would be more restricted and only 1 went forward at a time but still was held back most attacking full back would normally be down left so as i cant make the tactic allow one at a time i chose rb to focus mainly on the def side of his game then lb to support the play more without being overly attacking. This creates the right type of play and style. In season one training should focus on the defensive side of the game and teamwork to get a cohesive style then season two would swap attacking focus with defensive to create a deceptively more fluid looking style. Teamwork and team cohesion is the 1 constant in training to maintain the togetherness.
What are your thoughts?
rb-ferriera limited fb def
cbr-carvalho cb cover
cbl-terry limited cb stopper
lb-bridge fb supp
dm-makelele anch def
cmr-essien bwm def (with get further forward)
cml lampard b2b sup (with more shots)
amr-robben if att
aml-cole if att
st-drogba tm supp
very rigid (season 2 switch to rigid) , defensive , more direct , pass into space , deeper def line , stand off , more disciplined , stick to positions.
To create the movement of the if's allow wide players to swap and in the tactics set right footed players in the amr as wingers att and in aml as if att. Left footed players in amr as if att and in aml as wingers att. Your st has to be a complete forward but plays the target man role in sup so to link play with your wide men and the b2b player. When full backs would be more restricted and only 1 went forward at a time but still was held back most attacking full back would normally be down left so as i cant make the tactic allow one at a time i chose rb to focus mainly on the def side of his game then lb to support the play more without being overly attacking. This creates the right type of play and style. In season one training should focus on the defensive side of the game and teamwork to get a cohesive style then season two would swap attacking focus with defensive to create a deceptively more fluid looking style. Teamwork and team cohesion is the 1 constant in training to maintain the togetherness.
What are your thoughts?
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I quite like that set up, have you tested it?