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there was a variety of good football manager games in Germany, in Europe, elswhere.
Several companies made such games.
Most of them payed huge sums of money to FIFA, UEFA or their national FA for the use of data like e.g. club and player names.
As far as I know SI/SEGA did and does the same for their great game.
Yes, Germany is like most (or all) European countries a true vassal of the USA. Our leading politicians frequently travel to Washington to get their orders and directives from the White House.
Yes, German politicians think we are still in stoneage. At least in their politics concerning all kinds of media. For example our constitution still sees the regions (Länder) able to rule media and broadcasting. Outdated and impossible since satellite dishs and the internet are invented.
On the other hand we are Europeans. Members of the European Unions aund even of the single currency.
Since at least 20 years EU is enforcing "free market" in Europe. Sometimes they redicously overdo with that.
Germany signed all treaties and accepted all regulations manifesting that EU-politics.
Still there is only one football manager game left in Germany. That of the US-multi EA. All others (violating all that EU-laws) are prohibited in Germany.
It seems this is a to small section for the European commission to enforce their own laws. But is that clever?
No, it isn't! To allow a clique of bavarian-Franz-Beckenbauer-puppets to create an artificial monopolis here for a foreign US software company is far from being clever.
There was a nice managerial football game by the Brazilian company de Agostini. A modernised sequel of PM '99 with full data rights by FIFA. Obviously they couldn't survive without the german market segment.
There once been famous German games that kind, all gone.
Gone alltogether because of a small number of German football officials creating an EA-monopolis giving a **** on EU-regulations forbidding exactly that.
EU too fights software piracy. But why should I illegally buy a game via internet that still I have to pirate to be able to use it?
It is a perversion that the EU-comission forces me and others into piracy by not enforcing there laws here.
Every year there is a German language file somewhere on the internet. If I paste it into the game, by laws, this is criminal software piracy, because of altering the original work.
Also because SI/SEGA (like others too) are expelled from the German market -they are not allowed to sell the FM here- I can't legally activate it from here. So even if I would buy (wich I would if it was legally in stores here) I still have to use a crack to be able to play it.
This makes me a software pirat even if I buy the game. That can't be intended by EU's anti piracy politics.
The EA-Soccer-Manager-Monopolis (not correct to use Football as it's made by barbarian Americans) is not a minor issue. Because it is sympthomatic for European stonage politics concernig media.
Try for example to access live progamms of the BBC from out Germany or from ZDF from out the UK via internet. Works only with additional software that virtually puts Your PC into the other country. For sure not really legal. But it is fully legal and no problem to watch the same TV programmes via satellite.
That follows the same principles. Some idiots still can't understand that there is no more national authority over whatever media. It can't be as it is outdated simply by commonly spread modern technology.
 
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I'm not quite sure where you want to go with this thread...

Ah, I see now, sucks, sorry.
 
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I'm confused, why aren't you allowed to buy FM in Germany?
 
Because the German FA doesen't recognise SEGA's FIFA data rights. They want to be payed from them for something they already payed the FIFA for.
 
I'm confused, why aren't you allowed to buy FM in Germany?
By the sounds of it, it is due to relations between Germany and USA to monopolise the markets and is probably why Germany isnt "playable" in FM as a national team
 
By the sounds of it, it is due to relations between Germany and USA to monopolise the markets and is probably why Germany isnt "playable" in FM as a national team

Yeah that makes sense I guess but still pretty confusing..

I want this game in German stores, legally, as I like it.

How on earth can it be illegal to buy a game? I mean that makes no sense at all.
 
It isn't really illegal to buy it. But officially impossible as the game's publisher is not allowed to sell it here. So there is for example no German phone number for the phone activation, too.
 
It isn't really illegal to buy it. But officially impossible as the game's publisher is not allowed to sell it here. So there is for example no German phone number for the phone activation, too.

So who is allowed to sell in your country?
 
What the ****? Only EA can sell games!? I thought monopolies were illegal?
 
Can't Konami?

Konami does sell PES here. But I'm not sure if the German version of it has Bundesliga and German National Team data. DFB (the german FA) sold the right to use Bundesliga and German national Team data exclusivly to Electronic Arts. Perhaps You know a German game "Anstoss" (outside of Germany "on the ball"). Our FA even threatened fansites with datafiles with huge sums of compensation if they would have continued to offer those files. Because they (DFB) wanted to enforce the EA monopolis.

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What the ****? Only EA can sell games!? I thought monopolies were illegal?

Yes according to EU-regulations monopolies of whatever kind are illegal.
 
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And the German government are ****** at us for wanting to put up border control and they allow monopolies? Morons.
 
And the German government are ****** at us for wanting to put up border control and they allow monopolies? Morons.

I don't think the German government is able to stop this. Probably Beckenbauer and his Bayern Munich are behind that ****. Would Your government oppose national symbols?
 
I don't think the German government is able to stop this. Probably Beckenbauer and his Bayern Munich are behind that ****. Would Your government oppose national symbols?

Probably not if regarding them would give them more votes. Just after the election they probably would oppose them as it wouldn't hurt their politics.
 
So what do you want us to do?

I'm not sure about that. I put this here to see if someone responds to it. And I am surprised that there is more response as I thought. On the other side I thought more Germans to be in here. As FM is quiet popular for a banned game, I think. Probably I put something similar into the official SI forum in English and German asking the readers of it to post complains to the European Commission. As the status quo violates EU regulations.
 
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