Playing Barcelona Tactics with Hull

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I have spent many hours over the last week trying to amend my tactics to get some results with Hull in the premier league. My ambition is to play a style between Brendan rogers Swansea days and AVBs current robust spurs team that hardly lets in goals.

I have bought in some very good free/cheap players including Keisuke Honda, Zucculini and Radoslav Kovac. I have tinkered with my tactics many times but seem to constantly get battered. I am playing 4-5-1 (with a DM and two CMs) in following roles: GK normal - 2 ball playing CBs - wing backs support - regista (DM) - b2b midfielder (CM1) - DLP/AP (CM2) - wingers/inside forwards (depending on opposition) - poacher. This worked a charm on the last version and I found it to be a decent formula. I try hassle opp, retain possession, slow tempo, look for overlap, high defensive line, work ball into box etc (classic Arsenal/Swansea tactics).

Despite having players who suit the individual roles perfectly (huddlestone as regista for example and Honda as DLP/AP), and trying to change the individual player roles and touchline instructions to be more defensive by realising that I cannot turn up at old trafford and expect to play them off the field (alterations such as having a defensive ball winning midfielder and defensive full backs), I have conceded 35 goals in 19 games and am lying in 18th. My defence regularly gets fried despite my team training always being defending set pieces and def positioning. My team had good morale going up against Crystal Palace at home and I tried my tactic and lost 1-0. Yet I beat Liverpool away 4-2!

Is it the case that I just have to compromise my philosophy because I am a relegation battling team or am I missing something here? My team is fluent with the tactics now but still I am not seeing the results. I have previously been able to do well on tactics alone despite having weak teams. I would hate to revert to classic Stoke pump the ball long tactics. Is it just that FM 14 is more difficult the master in terms of tactics? I read somewhere to try get your wingers to man mark opposition wingers which I will try tonight. But otherwise, I am pretty stuck for thoughts. The only thing I can think of is to go back to the drawing board and play counter attacking football.

Any advice would be good. I hope it is not the fact that this style of football is redundant in FM14!
 
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I don't think that this style suits such a team bud. yes you may have a few players that suit the style to a degree, but on a whole your squad is not good enough (technically) to play this type of football just yet.

I would suggest playing a more deeper, defensive approach for the time being and use this when playing at home and against smaller opposition to get your players used to it

Yeah FB's marking their wingers is one of my little tweaks that worked well in other Fm's.. I have not played Fm14 too much to get stuck into the tactics properly (not much time)

I suggest playing a more direct, controlled, stick to positions, organized game with risky passes coming from Honda and Tom
 
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I have spent many hours over the last week trying to amend my tactics to get some results with Hull in the premier league. My ambition is to play a style between Brendan rogers Swansea days and AVBs current robust spurs team that hardly lets in goals.

I have bought in some very good free/cheap players including Keisuke Honda, Zucculini and Radoslav Kovac. I have tinkered with my tactics many times but seem to constantly get battered. I am playing 4-5-1 (with a DM and two CMs) in following roles: GK normal - 2 ball playing CBs - wing backs support - regista (DM) - b2b midfielder (CM1) - DLP/AP (CM2) - wingers/inside forwards (depending on opposition) - poacher. This worked a charm on the last version and I found it to be a decent formula. I try hassle opp, retain possession, slow tempo, look for overlap, high defensive line, work ball into box etc (classic Arsenal/Swansea tactics).

Despite having players who suit the individual roles perfectly (huddlestone as regista for example and Honda as DLP/AP), and trying to change the individual player roles and touchline instructions to be more defensive by realising that I cannot turn up at old trafford and expect to play them off the field (alterations such as having a defensive ball winning midfielder and defensive full backs), I have conceded 35 goals in 19 games and am lying in 18th. My defence regularly gets fried despite my team training always being defending set pieces and def positioning. My team had good morale going up against Crystal Palace at home and I tried my tactic and lost 1-0. Yet I beat Liverpool away 4-2!

Is it the case that I just have to compromise my philosophy because I am a relegation battling team or am I missing something here? My team is fluent with the tactics now but still I am not seeing the results. I have previously been able to do well on tactics alone despite having weak teams. I would hate to revert to classic Stoke pump the ball long tactics. Is it just that FM 14 is more difficult the master in terms of tactics? I read somewhere to try get your wingers to man mark opposition wingers which I will try tonight. But otherwise, I am pretty stuck for thoughts. The only thing I can think of is to go back to the drawing board and play counter attacking football.

Any advice would be good. I hope it is not the fact that this style of football is redundant in FM14!

What I would suggest you is to play a 4man defense that play narrow with 2 man in front I think you have Huddlestone and Livermore their?

- Play your defense deeper, and narrower.

-Play direct football

- Left and Right back in support role with cross from deep like Ivanovic and Cole for Chelsea under Mourinho..

- one of your two defensive mids stays in front of defense, the other runs from deep i think you should try this for away games..

Mention this if you keep using your own tactic your resulst at home will be strange one time you will win against an other footballing team but if you play against a more defensive counter team they will eat you because you dont have players to dominate 90 minutes long..
 
cheers for the responses guys, I really do appreciate the discussion. I guess it seems that I have to accept defeat and start again with a new team. I will try dropping my defence deeper, playing two dm's and playing narrower etc, to see out the season and hope to get out of the relegation zone. My gut feeling is that I will start again with a better technical team. Thanks again.
 
You can play Your tactic with Hull but I think you looking at it a bit to simply to be honest mate , something I see in common with everyone who struggles on here is that they always have either one tactic or a few really similar ones. Against Sunderland at home there's no problem trying to control the game but Man. Utd away I'd look to counter them. One thing I've noticed in this Fm is it's easy to accidentally sit too deep then not get a sniff for the whole game so be aware of that.

If you want chuck a few screenies up and i'll help you as I've just gone through something similar with the Bluebirds ;)
 
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