PSV tactics!

[Church89]

I need some help with my PSV tactics. I'm in my second season. I lost the title to Ajax in the first season in the 89th minute but this year Ajax is dominating. I'm 3rd in the league trailing 10+ points.

I'm using my ST as a Trequartista
My wingers are both said to attack.
Engelaar is my Deeplying playmaker (support)
Haestead is my ball winning midfielder (defend) (this doesn't sound right at all, to be honest)
Wuytens as Defending midfielder (defend)
CD's are CD's defending.
Full backs are full backs, automatic.

I've brought in Lorenzo Ariaudo from Juventus for 9 Mil (to replace Salcido) and Oscar for 6 Mil (to replace Affelay, he's leaving after this season)

I could use some help on alternative tactics or some purchases here because I want to play attractive football with wingers but it's not working, at all.

 

[Gooner12]

I need some help with my PSV tactics. I'm in my second season. I lost the title to Ajax in the first season in the 89th minute but this year Ajax is dominating. I'm 3rd in the league trailing 10+ points.

I'm using my ST as a Trequartista
My wingers are both said to attack.
Engelaar is my Deeplying playmaker (support)
Haestead is my ball winning midfielder (defend) (this doesn't sound right at all, to be honest)
Wuytens as Defending midfielder (defend)
CD's are CD's defending.
Full backs are full backs, automatic.

I've brought in Lorenzo Ariaudo from Juventus for 9 Mil (to replace Salcido) and Oscar for 6 Mil (to replace Affelay, he's leaving after this season)

I could use some help on alternative tactics or some purchases here because I want to play attractive football with wingers but it's not working, at all.

I dont know your tactis, but try to make sure every player plays a short passing game EXCEPT for your creative and intelligent playmakers, who need to find killer ballers. If you have a team on the weak/short side, make crossing "rarely" for all of them.

As for your players, a deep lying playmaker in CM never worked for me, I used advanced playmaker with support on Fabregas and he ends up bagging 10 goals a season and some 20 something assists.

Your striker might do better in other roles, just try him in each role and see how his attributes match up. I think you shouldnt play him as Treq. because it cant be a support duty, and when youre playing a lone striker it VERY highly advisable to make him a support duty because otherwise he can be isolated. With support, he will come deep for the ball and have more options for help from the midfield if he runs into trouble.

oh and make on of your CMs either a central midfielder or a box to box midfielder, with a SUPPORt duty. you cant have defend duties in midfeild because it leaves them behind and cuts off suply to your wingers and attack

Hope that helps, sorry but i dont really know much about your squad so i tried to help more on the tactis side

 

[Malilk]

With every 4-5-1 system i use i set the wingers to Advanced playmakers. They become sooo much more effective. Full backs to wing backs too.

Whats your goal scoring like? with a treq as your head guy you have no real focal point in the attack.

Defensive wise- try cautious tackling and pressing more overall, with wingers and strikers tackling hard and always pressing.

Limited central defenders ALWAYS!

 

[Church89]

What would you like to know about my tactics? Any screenshots you require?

I've put my striker up as a deep lying forward in a support role.

one MC is a deeplying playmaker right now (matches best with his attributes) in a suport role, and the other is a CM with an attacking role.

Thank you Malilk, I've changed the roles according to your help too!

My goal scoring is kind of poor I would say. 24 matches with 34 goals for and 10 against.

I'm playing Feynoord (rivals ;]) next match so I'll see what it brings me!

 

[Malilk]

No problem.

After the next few matchs go to the analysis tab and see what happened. If there is something going wrong after the changes that is where you'll find it out.

 

[Church89]

I've managed a 2-0 win over feyenoord, but in all honesty it wasn't that convincing. A header by one of my wingers and a tap in in the 93rd minute.

My strategy is controlling but it doesn't really sound logical. Should I lay back more and play on the counter, or press and attack more?

 

[Gooner12]

I've managed a 2-0 win over feyenoord, but in all honesty it wasn't that convincing. A header by one of my wingers and a tap in in the 93rd minute.

My strategy is controlling but it doesn't really sound logical. Should I lay back more and play on the counter, or press and attack more?

try starting with a standard match stategy, and if a strong opponent who attacks, counter, and if an opponent who parks the bus and shuts up shop, play control.

 

[Malilk]

No reason you cant do both. Set to fluid and overload. Play deeply with an slightly below normal tempo. Passing normal, Time wasting in the middle. stick to positions. With the advanced playmakers and wing backs you'll have loads of attacking strength.

How did the striker play?

oh and counter attack!

 

[Church89]

No reason you cant do both. Set to fluid and overload. Play deeply with an slightly below normal tempo. Passing normal, Time wasting in the middle. stick to positions. With the advanced playmakers and wing backs you'll have loads of attacking strength.

How did the striker play?

oh and counter attack!

I'm playing against Schalke now, counter attacking. I don't think my team is ready to play with fluid and overload yet right now. But I will try it soon if this doesn't work. How can players stick to positions if they are playing fluidly by the way?

I subbed the striker after the first half, his sub bagged a goal in extra time.

 

[Gooner12]

No reason you cant do both. Set to fluid and overload. Play deeply with an slightly below normal tempo. Passing normal, Time wasting in the middle. stick to positions. With the advanced playmakers and wing backs you'll have loads of attacking strength.

How did the striker play?

oh and counter attack!

Thats just some horrible tactics i dont think anyone even uses those...

Especially overload it is NOT meant to be used for a full match you will let in a lot of goals, it is used in 10 min bursts or at the end of games youre losing.

Wingers dont have to be both playmakers, infact wingers need speed and technique more than creativity, and playmakers play centrally cause they dont have to need speed and rely on their passing and intelligence.

also how can you tell him to make it FLUID then say STICK TO POSITIONS ? they are the exact opposite !!!! Fluid doesnt encourage them to stick to positions !

and dont time waste at all unless you are winning , play with quick temp, wide width, and adjust it from there. usually if your winning you wanna play slower, and narrower.


Sorry mate but I just think your tactics are very bad

 

[Church89]

I encourage you guys to discuss about the tactics here I really don't see the overload tactic working really, especially combined with fluid tactics.

I do use my wingers as advanced playmakers right now, and Oscar has bagged 2 in 2 matches now. But Dzdudzak is very speedy and I think winger suits him better.

I drawed 2-2 against Schalke 04, not bad if you ask me. Both of the wingers scored one.

 

[Malilk]

Thats just some horrible tactics i dont think anyone even uses those...

Especially overload it is NOT meant to be used for a full match you will let in a lot of goals, it is used in 10 min bursts or at the end of games youre losing.

Wingers dont have to be both playmakers, infact wingers need speed and technique more than creativity, and playmakers play centrally cause they dont have to need speed and rely on their passing and intelligence.

also how can you tell him to make it FLUID then say STICK TO POSITIONS ? they are the exact opposite !!!! Fluid doesnt encourage them to stick to positions !

and dont time waste at all unless you are winning , play with quick temp, wide width, and adjust it from there. usually if your winning you wanna play slower, and narrower.


Sorry mate but I just think your tactics are very bad

I win everything with arsena,l madrid and spurs and you say my tactics are bad?

1. Fluid and positioning are separate things. Fluidity is do defensive players attack and offensive defend, or do they stick to their own roles. Positioning is wether or not players roam across the pitch.

2.Overload is used to ensure pressing. The fact that cautious tackling is used and deepness in play allows overload to be kept.

3. limited defenders ensures the overload doesn't cause you to concede. in my Madrid save I conceded 12 times in all competitions. Arsenal was 15. Goals scored? averaged out 2.6~2.8 a game.

4. with the playmakers set to attack role they always dribble, so speed is essential. Also setting them to advance playmaker ensures they get more goals as they cut inside when not on the ball (which allows for the overlapping wingbacks)

Don't dis things you haven't tried.

 

[Church89]

Hmm, I see. That's very interesting. But PSV isn't near the level of these teams. I'm afraid my players don't posses the quality to make this tactic work. Or does it not matter what players you use for it?

 

[Malilk]

Sorry bout the rant church. Glad the wingers thing is working out

About the strikers? just experiment and see what happens. With Arsenal poacher worker well (adriano) and with Madrid it was complete forward (ronaldo).

hopefully the rant explained what the fluid/overload/rigid was about.

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Hmm, I see. That's very interesting. But PSV isn't near the level of these teams. I'm afraid my players don't posses the quality to make this tactic work. Or does it not matter what players you use for it?

I'm not sure to be honest. It worked in my spurs save?

At the same time your goal of playing attractive football is made much more difficult because of your players?

 

[Church89]

Sorry bout the rant church. Glad the wingers thing is working out

About the strikers? just experiment and see what happens. With Arsenal poacher worker well (adriano) and with Madrid it was complete forward (ronaldo).

hopefully the rant explained what the fluid/overload/rigid was about.

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I'm not sure to be honest. It worked in my spurs save?

At the same time your goal of playing attractive football is made much more difficult because of your players?

I've applied your settings. I just lost a match against Roda JC with 2-0 so that was kind of dissapointing to say the least.

By playing deep you mean that the defendings are defending deep, yes?

 

[Malilk]

Ye thats what i meant. Are you counter attacking?

If its not working for you I apologise. I only tried to advise you on what has worked for me.

It could be down to the quality of players.

edit: At least the wingers advice worked for you

 

[Church89]

I'm not counter attacking, I'm overloading.. I can't do both.

 

[Malilk]

It has helped me break when I win the ball back. Hence the deep defending.

Here is a couple of my tac's if they help.

Last one did actually work without the corner glitch goals are no more than two a game though (on the last one).

 

[Church89]

These tactics are obviously not working for me. Lost against Schalke 04, lost against FC Groningen too.

I can apply these tactics to my 4-5-1?

 

[Malilk]

The same concepts? I suppose ye.

If they don't work leave them though. If ye sign a few quality players or start a new one with a better team check them out.

My last result with the 4-2-4 is attached in case you think i'm full of it. (which would be reasonable all things considering )