Anyone who says Ronaldo is better has a biased opinion. I reckon I am pretty neutral on this one, and for me Messi > Ronaldo.
Defensive play involves tracking fullbacks, nullifying your flank, and winning the ball back. Ronaldo does none of these things. If you have an attacking fullback against Ronaldo, it's pretty much a given that he can go forward whenever he likes.
And before you say Messi doesn't do this either, think about it. Because that just isn't true.
Pele scored in 3 world cups... And won 3, has messi.. Thought not. Dont even try to compare Pele and this kid.
I dont think it is the best league in the world, it is boring and predictable, it has 2 class teams and that is it. The league isnt a physical one, it is tailor made for attacking players.
You just listed a man who won 3 world cup. well played CJ.
no, i said i hated Barcelona. Madristra said he hated Messi as he was an ugly dwarf ****. i said all that is true, but i never said i didnt like him.
To the rest of your post... I cba to read that much, jeez give us a break.
You would get a load of Media hyped up Nonsense, I thought better of you then to listen to pundits/ newspapers and talk shows, Anyone who closely watched that game( I watched the re-run 6 or 7 times) Would see Messi was nothing special in that game, Off course he played well but not amazing. His team won 2-0 and you score, You always look better. Xavi was the king that day.
GodCubed said:Defensive play involves tracking fullbacks, nullifying your flank, and winning the ball back. Ronaldo does none of these things. If you have an attacking fullback against Ronaldo, it's pretty much a given that he can go forward whenever he likes.
And before you say Messi doesn't do this either, think about it. Because that just isn't true.
Pele was on historically great Brazilian national teams. If he played for a terrible NT he hasn't won any world cups. Messi has been good for about 2 or 3 years for Christ's sake...you expect him to have one a World Cup already? Argentina's national team is awful right now and had no shot at doing well in the World Cup. They seem to be turning things around with Baptista at the helm but no one will beat Brazil next World Cup (and if a team can, the refs won't allow it).
As for La Liga being the best in the world, no one is claiming it is, but it's one of the big 4, which are all very close, so he's proven himself in arguably the top league in the world, if not, one of the very best. End of.
My post had 7 paragraphs and two of them were two sentences long, so basically 5 paragraphs. How do you do in school?
You just listed a man who won 3 world cup. well played CJ.
Right, but at very least my argument actually has some backers outside of this site, unlike you who without any grounds seem to claim that Messi was average in the biggest game of his career.
If you think Messi was nothing special in that game, you need your eyes tested. Yes, Xavi was the best player on the park, but Messi was sublime as well.
He just listed a player who played in the best international team of all time. In a team built around him with world class players. The same ridiculous argument being used for Messi and Barca.
Internationally:
Messi - Appearances: 54
Goals/assists - 26
Goal/assist every 2.07 games
Ronaldo - Appearances - 80
Goals/assists - 29
Goal/assist every 2.76 games
And Argentina are 5th in the World Rankings, Portugal are 8th. But as DMF has reminded us recently, Portugal tanked Spain 4-0 so they can't be that bad.
He just listed a player who played in the best international team of all time. In a team built around him with world class players. The same ridiculous argument being used for Messi and Barca.
Argentina also tanked Spain 4-1 before that. They can't be as bad as people are saying they are either surely?
Should we start comparing the greatest player of all time with this Kid then alex..?
I'm not disputing that, there is very little difference between the two nations. Nothing being made of the above stats I see though?
I'm not disputing that, there is very little difference between the two nations. Nothing being made of the above stats I see though?
NO ONE is comparing the best player of all time to Messi. I'm just stating why this argument is flawed.
Why would I compare the best player of all time to Messi? He is the best player RIGHT NOW, not ever.
And why do you keep referring to him as 'this kid'?! He's 23 ffs, Ronaldo is 2 1/2 years older than him.
Okay..
Ronaldo then has a greater international record for a less superior side than Messi..
Well. The argument remain. Pele did it on 2 stages,, Messi has clearly not... FACT.
He is some kid....
So despite the evidence, you insist that he has a better international record?
Less superior side? Behaveeee. You were waxing lyrical about Portugal in the FIFA world rankings thread, as evidenced here.
As stated, his Brazil side were probably the best international side that the world has ever known. Argentina are far from that. You expect Messi to win a world cup single handedly? How did Ronaldo do in the 2010 World Cup btw?
So despite the evidence, you insist that he has a better international record?
Less superior side? Behaveeee. You were waxing lyrical about Portugal in the FIFA world rankings thread, as evidenced here.
So despite the evidence, you insist that he has a better international record?
Less superior side? Behaveeee. You were waxing lyrical about Portugal in the FIFA world rankings thread, as evidenced here.
As stated, his Brazil side were probably the best international side that the world has ever known. Argentina are far from that. You expect Messi to win a world cup single handedly? How did Ronaldo do in the 2010 World Cup btw?
He's better on the international stage that Lionel Messi.
The team is excellent, but we're not as good as Argentina, Germany, Brazil, Spain, Holland. I always say we're better than England. We are. Don't understand why England are above us in the World Rankings constantly.
Argentina also tanked Spain 4-1 before that. They can't be as bad as people are saying they are either surely?
They then beat us 2-1 in the last international break. But of course, their international team is awful.
Okay..
Ronaldo then has a greater international record for a less superior side than Messi..
Should we start comparing the greatest player of all time with this Kid then alex..?