Each players has the option for that...What are the uses of it...When whould I want to instruct a player to run wide with the ball to the touchline and then go back to other touchline?When The player given this instruction would know to do something that would help my team...
Running Wide with the ball
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I use it when playing against a team thats very narrow in midfield or teams that play 3 at the back. Then it pulls players out of position and creates gaps for other players.
What is exactly narrow in midfield?...And when the player manages to create a gap does he make a through ball?Does't the chances that he will loose the ball for a counter attack worries you?
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Narrow? Like when you play a team who play a 442 diamond in midfield with a dm, 2 mc's, and an amc. And it doesnt really bother me because if my player does lose the ball from playing a through ball then most of the time the defender has to turn and chase the ball down and beat my player to the ball. It very rarely just goes straight to the defenders feet, but if i does thats when its good to have the 'hassle the opponent' team instruction on.
That's really helpful...But why exactly it's a good move to do against a team with narrow midfield....I gather that any midfield without 3 midfielders could be called narrow,right?
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Not necessarily, cos you'l come across teams that play 4231, so their aml/amr's give them width. Other teams might play with 2 in central midfield, but they may have 3 dc's so their width could come from attacking wingbacks which act like wingers. I've just played the World Club Championship final against Santos, they played a 4222 formation. 2dms,2mcs,2stc. I used that run wide with ball shout purely because I'd be one on one with there fullback on many occassion. My inside forward would cut inside, drag the fullback in, then my complete wingback was on his own to pick out a cross in a dangerous area.
The first picture just shows my how far up my fullbacks push up to get a cross in, and how often. Second picture shows the passes we made throughout the match, my widemen made at least 60 passes each! Haha. But if you look for the numbers 20 and 2 down the right hand side, and the numbers 3 and 10 on the left then you'll see where my players recieved the ball and how wide they were. Third one- that we made 17 crosses in the match, most werent successful but we got in the position to keep having a crack. But tbf, we only played 1 striker, Suarez, so I didnt expect many to be successful. Last picture, just the chances we made.
Wow it took me an hour to analyze all the fantastic info here...(by the way tbf means "to be fair" for those who read it)...So you are saying you are using it against 3 "centre backs to pull them out of positon"...Why would their centre backs chasing after you if you are running wide..You are not a threat to anyone...And if I am the manager of the opposing team I would tell them to take a break ,smoke a cigarette until you decide to attack...that's why I am having my midfielders to take care of ?What makes it work to create a gap in their defence?What Player would be most suitable to do such a maneuver...Which role? And which attributes would enable him to be successful doing it...It seem to be a very complex maneuver to accomplish so why ALL the players of the team have the option to do it?Why for example Full backs have the option to do it?Does anyone in any position could do it to gain a specific objective? Or does this maneuver is meant for the objective you described earlier...Does this maneuver have other uses?
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Running wide with the ball is a new instruction to players introduced first time in Football Manager 2014...Checking the internet this is the only thread in the whole world that covers this subject...So anyone cares to shed some light on my previous post...There are quite a few questions there...
How I interpret the instruction of "Run Wide with Ball" is similar to the old movement instruction on 2013 of "Hug the Touchline". I've only used it briefly with my fullbacks because I used to always tell them to "Hug the Touchline" and my wide attacking midfielders to "Cut Inside" on older versions of the game in order to create space for an overlap.
I don't think telling a player to "Run Wide with Ball" will mean he will pick up the ball in the centre of the park and run to the touchline, that just seems ridiculous. I think it is just telling him to stay out wide when he picks it up, rather than cut inside, which is a different instruction.
If that is correct, I think it would be useful to set your fullbacks to "Run Wide with Ball" and your wide attacking players to cut inside. Should create space for the fullback out wide so that they can get in a cross.
I don't think telling a player to "Run Wide with Ball" will mean he will pick up the ball in the centre of the park and run to the touchline, that just seems ridiculous. I think it is just telling him to stay out wide when he picks it up, rather than cut inside, which is a different instruction.
If that is correct, I think it would be useful to set your fullbacks to "Run Wide with Ball" and your wide attacking players to cut inside. Should create space for the fullback out wide so that they can get in a cross.
That's exactly what I was thinking when I first saw it...
But then I read the manual and it reads like that :"Run Wide With Ball encourages players to move into wider areas of the pitch when in possession in a bid to stretch the opposition and disrupt their shape."...
So I thought it is meant only for central field players hoping to find a gap through the defence...By creating a momentum of movement the creative midfielder is looking for a movement "off the ball" of his friend ,which is a very important attribute to have without the ball for any attackers...So by using from one hand the creativity,flair and dribbling of one player and by using the "Off the ball" movement on the other hand from one of his friends there should be an attempt for a throughball or whatever...The player who dribble the ball knows that if he is going directly forward against 3 defenders who dig deep and not trying to close him down he wouldn't stand a chance...Instead of falling into their hands he choose to stay away from them running wide looking for the gap and the movement of his friend...If this is done correctly at the right timing.....GOAL!!!!
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That was confusing.
I don't know how a central player would perform if you told him to "Run Wide with Ball". He might look to hug the touchline while in possession but that would probably just leave a large space in the middle of the field and make the sideline congested (if you have fullback and wingers/wide midfielders).
I don't know how a central player would perform if you told him to "Run Wide with Ball". He might look to hug the touchline while in possession but that would probably just leave a large space in the middle of the field and make the sideline congested (if you have fullback and wingers/wide midfielders).
"Hug the touch line" means stay wide and wait for a ball to make run along the touchline for a cross...Hug the touchline is the complete oppposite of running wide...Let's say you tell him hug the line but you see that their fullback is a one nasty one that your winger can't cope with...Remember that he is a winger and limited to play along the touch line...He is not a INSIDE FORWARD who knows it both ways...So instead of wasting him on the touchline where he is no good for nothing...You tell him "run wide with the ball"...Now instead of running along the touchline he going to play wide towards the center of the field looking for a cross to the other side or through ball for his striker...or maybe he will get a free kick...Anything is better than the other option, since there is guy there better than him...
Originally you asked what your players would do if you instructed them to "Run Wide with Ball" but now you seem to be talking like you know exactly what they do. Have you tried the instruction in game?
When you select "Run Wide with Ball" the "Cut Inside with Ball" option is highlighted red because it conflicts with that. It is an instruction for when your team has the ball so that makes it a bit different than the movement instructions on previous games. When I tell my fullbacks to "Run Wide with Ball" they dribble along the touchline when in possession, when I instruct them to "Cut Inside with Ball" they dribble infield when in the final third, occasionally resulting in a goal because they don't get closed done.
I have no started linking this together by having a fullback instructed to "Run Wide with Ball" in support of an inside forward who naturally cuts inside. This works to create lots of space for an overlap because the winger drags the opposing fullback infield opening up space for my fullback to run into.
Now what you said above doesn't make sense. If you want your player to move inside in order to avoid a strong defender, you would tell him to cut inside not stay out wide. Running wide with the ball wont increase his movement across the field, he wont pick up the ball on the right flank and look to run it to the left. That's just a waste of time, no one will follow that run, and asking to turn it over in the middle of the park.
When you select "Run Wide with Ball" the "Cut Inside with Ball" option is highlighted red because it conflicts with that. It is an instruction for when your team has the ball so that makes it a bit different than the movement instructions on previous games. When I tell my fullbacks to "Run Wide with Ball" they dribble along the touchline when in possession, when I instruct them to "Cut Inside with Ball" they dribble infield when in the final third, occasionally resulting in a goal because they don't get closed done.
I have no started linking this together by having a fullback instructed to "Run Wide with Ball" in support of an inside forward who naturally cuts inside. This works to create lots of space for an overlap because the winger drags the opposing fullback infield opening up space for my fullback to run into.
Now what you said above doesn't make sense. If you want your player to move inside in order to avoid a strong defender, you would tell him to cut inside not stay out wide. Running wide with the ball wont increase his movement across the field, he wont pick up the ball on the right flank and look to run it to the left. That's just a waste of time, no one will follow that run, and asking to turn it over in the middle of the park.
My answers were taken from Real Life Football...Since I started this thread I have been doing some thinking after getting a few answers here and my other post "Wingers VS Inside forwards..."...I am still learning all the mechanisms of the game...I don't see any point running a team without knowing exactly what each instruction exactly do...I need to feel prepared for such a demanding task as leading a team...Managing a football Club is one of the most demanding challenging and rewarding job exist on earth and I don't take it lightly..I need the inner confidence recognition to deal with all the different aspects,tasks and challenges exists...The movement cut inside is meant specifically for WIDE Players while moving wide with the ball could be given to any player on the field...When you instruct WIDE player to cut inside with ball you are telling him to "to look to come into central areas when running with the ball,driving inside their opponent and heading toward goal.." The CUT INSIDE could be learned by WIDE players as their Prefered Move..which means by learning that move the player will cut inside when recieving the ball in WIDE positions regardless of his WIDE play instruction...looking to run AT the opposition,shooting at goal with his STRONG FOOT...or passing to a team mate according to his player instructions...This is useful for inside forwards and other wide players instructed to cut inside...Such players should ideally play on the opposite side of their stronger foot.This move should be unlearned for wide players not instructed to cut inside... Whereas Running Wide with ball is ":"Run Wide With Ball encourages players to move into wider areas of the pitch when in possession in a bid to stretch the opposition and disrupt their shape."...Which means that such PENETRATING movement as Cut inside doesn't help you against organized defence who are entrenched in their area and you can't find a way IN..Then you Are goining to use that Running wide with ball instruction...The Opponent is not closing in on you.. they are just dug up (or dug in) inside their area looking to keep the score...If you can't find a way in you instruct your player to run wide in order to disrupt the shape of their defence...While moving wide with the ball your other teamates would create new opportunities for the player running with the ball wide with their OFF THE BALL attributes...If such an opportunity arise while running wide, the player would unleash a through ball to his teamate who would get tha ball shoots and GOALL!!!!
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For each instruction you order a player you want to make sure that he is adept and capable of doing it in skillful manner...You wouldn't want to instruct a player which is poor in it...I am going to demonstrate my meaning for using the instruction "Running wide with the ball"...for example for all other instructions...First you must find what are the attributes needed to accomplish it...After searching the guides I come up with 7 important attributes...And I am going to use my Complete wing back as example if i'm going to instruct him to go wide with ball when the need comes or not...Since the most important one is dribbling I will give it 150%....He has 12 so I changed it to 18...next technique 10...Anticipation 8...Flair 17 !!!!....Acceleration 12...Agility 8...Balance 10...summing it into 83...dividing by 7 getting 11.85...Now I write a note for him...Use him for running wide with the ball when the need comes...
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Run Wide With Ball and Hug Touchline ARE NOT opposite.
It is important to understand that these two are totally different instructions.
Run Wide With Ball is a POSSESSION-instruction... that is the player will run wide when he HAS THE BALL
Hug Touchline (in FM14: Stay Wider) is a MOVEMENT-instruction... this is what the player will do when he DOES NOT HAVE THE BALL.
Both are instructions if you can use if you want to stretch the opposition.
It is important to understand that these two are totally different instructions.
Run Wide With Ball is a POSSESSION-instruction... that is the player will run wide when he HAS THE BALL
Hug Touchline (in FM14: Stay Wider) is a MOVEMENT-instruction... this is what the player will do when he DOES NOT HAVE THE BALL.
Both are instructions if you can use if you want to stretch the opposition.
Alright...You got 3 LIKES for it so it was worth the effort..First time I see three Likes at one post...I woner which post has a record of most likes...Now you have 4 for the record(including me)...
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I don't do it for the likes, I'm just trying to help a brother out
That's exactly why I gave you mine also now you have 4...I don't do it for the likes, I'm just trying to help a brother out
Can anyone find any uses for strikers to run wide with the ball?Does anyone give instructions to his strikers to run wide with the ball and if so explain why?Which kind of strikers roles would be suitable to use it...Strikers do have this option that's why I am asking...And i'm not asking about inside forwards...just strikers who usually plays at centre roles...
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