SCOFFER-BALL - Two tactics - 4-3-3 (WB/HB/IF) / 4-3-3 (IWB/HB/IW) TROPHIES/ GOALS/POSSESSION

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Hi everyone, This is my first time uploading some of my tactics so bare with me for updates / my presentation of my tactics.

INTRODUCTION AND INSPIRATION

Firstly, My inspiration for these tactics are from the manager of Huddersfield Town Carlos Corberan, I am a Huddersfield town supporter and season ticket holder and the philosophy he has brought to my team has taken shape this season. He served as the under 21's manager for Leeds United before joining Huddersfield the start of 2020/2021 season, And worked closely with Marcelo Bielsa for as number of years and you can see what inspirations he has taken from him on the pitch.

Due to injuries and playing staff Huddersfield have mainly used a 3-5-2/3-4-3 this season, but when able to do so they use an attacking 4-3-3 with plenty of movement, hard work, high tempo attacking football that I have tried to recreate.

I alternate between the below tactics in game depending on how the game is going, and will also start a game in either formation dependant on my scouts feedback, their weaker areas of the pitch or if I'm just on a good run with either of the tactics!


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RESULTS

I have tested this tactics for 3 seasons now in a journeyman save starting at York, I won the title with York, but found the tactics struggled due to the quality of players I was using and also just generally not having the right players for the formation but this all changed when mid way through the second season in National conference was hired by Plymouth Argyle who were 17th in league 1. I managed to finish 1 place outside the play offs on the final day, and I am currently near the end of the second season with them, firmly top of the table with a 12 point gap and unbeaten in 42 games, won the Papa johns trophy and knocked Manchester City out of the Carabao Cup. We am also generally dominating the team stats in every area that matters.

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GENERAL INFO

Opposition instructions - Mark all strikers tightly / Show the whole team on to weaker foot.

General training - leave to assistant.

Set pieces - I have included some of my own, but by no means are these the most effective to my knowledge, but they have been working fine for me so far.

THE TACTICS

The two tactics I am sharing with you today are as follows ;

Scoffer-Ball 4-3-3
This tactic uses attacking fullbacks that stretch the pitch making room for the inside forwards to cause havoc on the oppositions defence and half spaces. You will find with the CB's set to play wider and the Half back dropping in they will recycle possession a lot to either side of the pitch till they find openings too attack and score. In attack the formation can look like a 3-2-5, throwing players forward into space while keeping possession and pinning the opposition in their box. In defence players will work hard to get the ball back while the back line of 2 CB's and a HB nullify and counter attacking opportunities. The trio of central midfielders is a great engine room to get this tactic going, a deep sitter (HB), a runner who tracks back (BBM) and a creative passer who sometimes ventures forward to support (DLP).

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Scoffer-Ball-Alternate 4-3-3
Whilst this is very similar to the first tactic, it has a hint of inspiration from the new Barcelona manager Xavi on how the wingbacks/wingers attack. With the wingbacks changed to Inverted wingbacks and the Inside forwards changed to inverted wingers it changed the dynamics of how the spaced are created and exploited. If the wingers are wide the wingbacks will now penetrate the half spaces with underlapping runs, and vice-versa, if the inverted winger has already cut inside the wingbacks will instead overlap and stretch the pitch. You will find with this tactic your wingbacks will score quite a few goals, i have had games where they even get hattricks! Always fun to see.

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THE PLAYERS


Below are what I look for when scouting players, In my player search (this really depends on the level of club you are managing) I search the specific attributes that player requires to play in that role, then only keep 8 of them ticked, then in the search menu change the attributes matched to 6/8 so I get a more broad range of player results and just adjust the attribute value from there.

But generally what I find most important for each role is as follows.

SK (S) - Aerial reach / Command of area / Handling / One on ones / Reflexes / Anticipation / Decisions / Positioning
WB/IWB (A) - Acceleration / Pace / Crossing / Tacking / Position / Off the ball / Work rate / Stamina
CB (D) - Tackling / Marking / Heading / Positioning / Anticipation / Pace / Jumping reach / Strength
HB - (D) - Tacking / Marking / Anticipation / Positioning / Passing / Composure / Decisions / Strength ( over 6ft tall or 15+jumping reach if below if possible)
DLP (S) - Passing / Vision / Decisions / Off the ball / Positioning / Composure / First touch / Technique
BBM (S) - Passing / Tacking / Off the ball / Positioning / Work rate / Stamina / Team work / First touch
IF/IW (S) - Acceleration / Pace / Flair / Dribbling / Finishing / Composure / Off the ball / Agility
PF (S) - Finishing / Heading / Composure / Off the ball / Work rate / Stamina / Jumping reach / Team work (I prefer to play a striker with a physical presence)

Thank you for taking the time to have a look at my tactics. Please give me any constructive feedback, and let me know how you find the tactics.

Hopefully I can keep you all up to date with my journeyman save and if I manage to finish this season unbeaten in the league!

Thanks you,
Joel Scholefield
UP THE TOWN, Corberan's Barmy Army.

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Update 1
I managed to finish the season unbeaten with Plymouth, was totally unexpected but as you can imagine I'm very impressed with how the tactics help up throughout a full season, especially as we went 54 games unbeaten streak of 42 (That was held by Huddersfield Town in the , smashing the previous record of 43 games from January 2011 to November 2011...:cry:) . As fun as it was playing as Plymouth, I decided I wanted a new challenge and was actively applying for jobs in other leagues abroad to try the tactics out with a better team or just at a higher level.

As the season came to a close i noticed Everton had been relegated so I decided to have a go at getting the vacant manager position. To my surprise I was successful in my application, my main challenge was getting all the best players there to stay at Everton, and I was successful to a certain extent but lost a few decent players as I didn't want bad morale effecting my teams performances. I played Ben Godfrey as a HB all season and it was an amazing decision he bossed the park 9/10 games. Now I have just finished my first full season there gaining promotion to the Premier League instantly with 106 points, 9 ahead of second place. We had a few losses here and there but that's expected as we moved up to a better quality division, and i would say we could have easily won or drawn the games we lost in.

Below I will show you a few images of the end results of my Plymouth save and the results of my recent season with Everton. I am looking forward to my first season in the Premier League and sharing my results.

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I like the simplicity and logic in your tactics here, mate. It's based on fundamentals of ME source code and I am pretty sure it's working for every team!

Nice work here!
 
I like the simplicity and logic in your tactics here, mate. It's based on fundamentals of ME source code and I am pretty sure it's working for every team!

Nice work here!
Thank you for your feedback! It's not often i share my tactics as I don't make them often.
 
I like the simplicity and logic in your tactics here, mate. It's based on fundamentals of ME source code and I am pretty sure it's working for every team!

Nice work here!
Have you tested them for yourself?
 
Just started using this tactic, absolutely loving it so far. Dominant on the ball and defensively sound.

Are there any mid-match changes that you would make?
Hi mate thank you for your feedback!

I rarely change anything to be honest, i do one shout per half either "fire up" or "demand more". And then I alternate between the tactics during the game if I need any changes.

Please upload some photos when you finish the season.
 
Hi mate thank you for your feedback!

I rarely change anything to be honest, i do one shout per half either "fire up" or "demand more". And then I alternate between the tactics during the game if I need any changes.

Please upload some photos when you finish the season.

Hi mate,

Yeah I definitely will include some photos when the seasons finished, since I switched to the tactic I've won 4 out of the last 5.

Against what kind of formation would you suggest using the IWB tactic?
 
Hi mate,

Yeah I definitely will include some photos when the seasons finished, since I switched to the tactic I've won 4 out of the last 5.

Against what kind of formation would you suggest using the IWB tactic?
Brilliant! So I don't really take much notice of what formation I'm coming up against, I'll look generally at what my opposition reports are saying and if I think one formation will have a advantage I'll start the game with that.

85% of games I will switch tactics between the origi9nal and the alternate depending on the match stats if its not going too well or have not scored. It just changes the angles of attack and gives their defenders different situations to adapt to.

I am working on a more defensive tactic to shut games out atm so that will hopefully be in the next update.

What team are you playing as mate?
 
Brilliant! So I don't really take much notice of what formation I'm coming up against, I'll look generally at what my opposition reports are saying and if I think one formation will have a advantage I'll start the game with that.

85% of games I will switch tactics between the origi9nal and the alternate depending on the match stats if its not going too well or have not scored. It just changes the angles of attack and gives their defenders different situations to adapt to.

I am working on a more defensive tactic to shut games out atm so that will hopefully be in the next update.

What team are you playing as mate?

Ah nice I see, I'll give switching the tactics throughout the game a go to see for myself.

Looking forward to seeing the next tactic, is it still the same shape? 433?

I'm playing as Brighton, just need to have a couple of signings in the transfer window to really nail down a couple of the positions, mainly Half Back and Pressing Forward.
 
Ah nice I see, I'll give switching the tactics throughout the game a go to see for myself.

Looking forward to seeing the next tactic, is it still the same shape? 433?

I'm playing as Brighton, just need to have a couple of signings in the transfer window to really nail down a couple of the positions, mainly Half Back and Pressing Forward.
I'm thinking of changing the shape slightly to a 4-1-4-1, still utilising a HB so it will be a 5-4-1 without the ball.

And Brighton, I'm very interested to see the results, how is Maupay doing with the striker role? He has good stats for a pressing forward! Let me know who you go for in the HB position. Ben Godfrey is doing amazing for me atm with Everton in the HB position.
 
I'm thinking of changing the shape slightly to a 4-1-4-1, still utilising a HB so it will be a 5-4-1 without the ball.

And Brighton, I'm very interested to see the results, how is Maupay doing with the striker role? He has good stats for a pressing forward! Let me know who you go for in the HB position. Ben Godfrey is doing amazing for me atm with Everton in the HB position.

Ah nice, be interested to see how that plays!

Maupay wasn't doing too well for me, sold him off in January, just looking for a replacement at the minute as I have Aaron Connolly, and Ludovic Ajorque who aren't scoring too many chances.

I've opted to get Roberto Gagliardini to pay the HB role at least until the Summer, then I will look for a more long term fit for the role. Any suggestions on other players that fit this style of play?
 
I love the set up and each explanation behind. I would like to test it on fm19. Is it possible to share PI'? Can you develop why you choose a set up or the other one?
My fear will be with the WB/IWB on attack. Is it not too adventurous? how your team defend on transitions?
Thanks (y)
 
I love the set up and each explanation behind. I would like to test it on fm19. Is it possible to share PI'? Can you develop why you choose a set up or the other one?
My fear will be with the WB/IWB on attack. Is it not too adventurous? how your team defend on transitions?
Thanks (y)
First of all thank you for your comment.

Player instructions are stay wider on both fullbacks and cenerrbacks, and dribble more on the BBM.

In terms of picking a formation that's entirely up to the user, could come to uf you're having a good run with a formation or the opposition team has an area of weakness such as down the flanks or the middle. I usually switch in game between both formations to see what is giving me the best chance of winning.

With having the attacking fullbacks, having thr half back and athletic wider centerbacks allows us to mitigate us being exploited on the counter attack, it's not bullet proof but being able to stretch or condense the pitch with the fullbacks is vital for the formation as it opens thr half spaces for the attackers. We also have wingers on support who do track back to a certain extent, and a midfield dup in front of the half back who also track back and provide defensive cover.

Hope this helps, I'll be updating the tactics shortly as I have not played in some time.
 
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