Second season issues
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Speaking from my experience, I also had your problems in 2nd season.
I normally watch the extended highlights during the match, and defensively I can react to AI attack.
My biggest problem (mainly because my last was FM 14) is trying to understand how can I improve my attack or exploit AI weaknesses. I try to use scouts and coach advises but even so the results are none.
From WJ feedback, I think this gonna be sorted out by experience and lots of tries and mistakes.
I normally watch the extended highlights during the match, and defensively I can react to AI attack.
My biggest problem (mainly because my last was FM 14) is trying to understand how can I improve my attack or exploit AI weaknesses. I try to use scouts and coach advises but even so the results are none.
From WJ feedback, I think this gonna be sorted out by experience and lots of tries and mistakes.
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It's not complicated at all. It's unbelievably simple to identify issues, especially the more common ones. What's likely happening is that because you do so well the first season, you get a big reputation boost. Because of that and your good form, teams will really park the bus when they face you again. Because of them doing that, space will be difficult to find, so you need to create space. There are many ways of creating space.
It's easy to spot teams sitting back. It's easy to spot your strikers not being passed to. It's easy to spot a lack of dropping deep/pulling wide that pulls defenders out of position. It's easy to spot players standing statically. Anyone can do this. It doesn't take a day. It doesn't take hours.
What may not be easy for everyone, is fixing it.
If you want some advice on what to do or look for, tactically, then you should really post your complete tactical setup for a start.
The other difficulty will be to well understand english (i am french) 
Of course i've put them in english for you
Thanks WJ
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Thanks WJ
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Here's the complete team and especially the striker which i have have the biggest problems
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English isn't my first language either, so don't worry.
Looking at your tactic, I'm wondering what the plan is, especially against packed defences. Your setup is incredibly limiting.
- Your players aren't allowed to dribble/take on defenders, so they'll be looking to pass more than run with the ball.
- When they then do look to pass, they're being forced to pass straight to feet only (apart from the AP/S) and only to players very close to them.
- So they're left with very few options and you're cutting the time they have to make decisions down a lot with the high tempo.
- Your midfield is static and only the AP (as previously mentioned) is allowed to use his brain a little to unlock the defence. That means creativity solely falls to him and to a certain extent, the fullbacks, who are asked to hammer the crosses in.
- The one constant goal threat you have in the IF/A is now told to sit deeper and choose when to make runs and also hold up the ball more, so a lot of his potency is now gone too.
So, to sum up, what's the point of the tactic? How does it create chances, who creates them and who for? How are you creating space against packed defences?
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Look for Overlap
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https://community.sigames.com/topic...manager-2015/?do=findComment&comment=10322561How does that influence that much? I need to read some tactic articles it seemsany suggestions where to look?
Look for Overlap[FONT="] encourages wide midfielders and wide forwards to focus on offering deep support with wide defenders encouraged to offer more mobility. The more advanced wide players are instructed to stay deep, hold up the ball and offer support to fullbacks or wingbacks who will be looking to overlap quickly with frequent forward runs. This encourages early overlap patterns down the flanks which can be useful when you are struggling to get the ball behind an aggressive fullback.[/FONT]
Thanks again for the advices but this game is not playable for me. I am not Ancelotti and i am interested in managing a team and a club, not to get frustrated by all the games where i shot 25 times and no goals and the other team 1 shot 1 goal, or my team missing 2 penaltys is the same game, or two red cards in 5 fouls, or whatever i never saw in the real life. If you don't change every game your tactic the AI will find a way to beat you but they tell you that it's not good to change your tactic too often. Arf ....
No improvements on interviews, on contrats, on transfers, on scouts and they want you to know football better than who ? The others teams never changes their tactics and they always win, all the managers are still in their clubs after 10 years (Emery, Jardim, Zidane, Guardiola, Wenger, Anvelotti, Conte etc ...) that is real time manager ?
So disappointed of this FM17 ...
No improvements on interviews, on contrats, on transfers, on scouts and they want you to know football better than who ? The others teams never changes their tactics and they always win, all the managers are still in their clubs after 10 years (Emery, Jardim, Zidane, Guardiola, Wenger, Anvelotti, Conte etc ...) that is real time manager ?
So disappointed of this FM17 ...
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Yes. You have to change your tactic every game. Because that's what you did the first season, right? Oh... you didn't?
You were given space last season that is now not there. It's dead simple. If you refuse to adapt, that's on you. But yes, of course FM17 is a disappointment because you're not winning anymore. Very mature.
Teams adapt to you. That's realistic. Look at Leicester last season - teams sat back and allowed them to counter. Now those teams sit back more, give Leicester the ball, and as a result Leicester are notably less effective in the EPL. If the AI never altered how it approached you, that would be massively unrealistic and a game-breaking factor. It would putting the ME AI back 10 years-plus.
You don't need to alter your tactic massively on a match to match basis. But you do need to adapt to the changing circumstances. No different than you would need to adapt if you lose a key player and don't have anyone to fill that same role.
You don't need to alter your tactic massively on a match to match basis. But you do need to adapt to the changing circumstances. No different than you would need to adapt if you lose a key player and don't have anyone to fill that same role.
No i didn't change the first season, always the same tactic .... like i did in the past FM.
And FM17 is disappointing because not fair of what you do with your players, not because i lose. If i had 20% the ball, 3 shots and 25 fouls per game, i could understand. But smashing the other team each time and finishing with a 1-1 or lose 1-0 YES that's making me MAD !!!! (6)(6)(6)
And FM17 is disappointing because not fair of what you do with your players, not because i lose. If i had 20% the ball, 3 shots and 25 fouls per game, i could understand. But smashing the other team each time and finishing with a 1-1 or lose 1-0 YES that's making me MAD !!!! (6)(6)(6)
OK Bigpapa but what i don't know is WHAT to change and WHY ! If i play possession ball tactic and i play against a 4231 or a 442 what must i change ? And if the other team play offensive or defensive ? And if the other team play direct football or possession ball ? My assistant always give me **** advices ...
You are falling into the Arsenal trap, from the sound of it. Look how often teams park the bus against Arsenal because they know they can't beat them playing open and expansive. So they defend in numbers, look to counter, and try to maximize set pieces. And they can sneak draws or even wins because while Arsenal might have a ton of shots, few are truly quality scoring chances (and Arsenal tend to be wasteful with scoring chances on the whole) and there are often huge opportunities to counter.
If you are favored or heavily favored, teams will play more conservative against you. You can try to take the attacking to extremes, but that's just leaving your side even more open for counters. So instead force the opposition to react. If you push forward in numbers, press your line high, you are really just compressing them and if they have decent organization and reason quality, they can be exceptionally hard to break down. Runs get cut off because there is no space. Passing lanes don't' exist because there is no space. What's the logical solution? Find ways to create that space.
The easiest way is to be less attacking. Drop your mentality to Standard or even Counter. Balance out your attack-heavy duties a bit if you aren't already balanced. Yes the team will be less aggressive but by pulling back a bit, but you can force the opposition to be less compacted and leave some space for you to exploit. You may create less scoring chances but you should really only care about creating good ones, not 30 yard punts because a player can't find passing lanes to penetrate. Try to ensure you have players making runs as movement through the space you are forcing is what will tear your opponent's deep block to pieces.
If you are favored or heavily favored, teams will play more conservative against you. You can try to take the attacking to extremes, but that's just leaving your side even more open for counters. So instead force the opposition to react. If you push forward in numbers, press your line high, you are really just compressing them and if they have decent organization and reason quality, they can be exceptionally hard to break down. Runs get cut off because there is no space. Passing lanes don't' exist because there is no space. What's the logical solution? Find ways to create that space.
The easiest way is to be less attacking. Drop your mentality to Standard or even Counter. Balance out your attack-heavy duties a bit if you aren't already balanced. Yes the team will be less aggressive but by pulling back a bit, but you can force the opposition to be less compacted and leave some space for you to exploit. You may create less scoring chances but you should really only care about creating good ones, not 30 yard punts because a player can't find passing lanes to penetrate. Try to ensure you have players making runs as movement through the space you are forcing is what will tear your opponent's deep block to pieces.
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Just because you have a number of shots, doesn't mean they're good quality attempts. And just because you have more shots than the opponent, doesn't guarantee you a win. You'd be surprised if you saw the stats where teams do not win after having the most shots or the most possession.
I cannot believe you don't know why you need to change things around. Teams sit deep and with a lot of numbers now. They saw you winning the league and the CL. They're scared. They're not trying to win. They're trying not to lose. It's not an alien concept.
So you face teams who put 8 or 9 players behind the ball. How are you going to get through that wall? It's easier if you can create holes/space to exploit. Right now, you're doing nothing to create anything.
The DF/D dropping deep is a decent idea. He drops deep, hopefully distracting a defender or two and dragging players out of position. Who's attacking that space? None of your midfielders will. They all just sit, static. You have 1 player that can attack that space (the IF/A) but he's been told to sit deeper. Make a plan there? There's a lack of intelligent movement.
You're using 15 instructions. That's an insane amount and I'm willing to bet that they (not all though) are a major reason for your failings. You really could do with simplifying the tactic.
And I'll ask again, because it's an important question : So, to sum up, what's the point of the tactic? How does it create chances, who creates them and who for? How are you creating space against packed defences?