Stop blaming the game! Have patience!

[RDF tactics]

Okay, so a couple days ago i had a massive go at FM, ******** about it being the worse FM till i found out that i was being a rubbish manager.

Yes the game has bugs and it can improve, but nothing its perfect so FM cannot be perfect, but now its perfectly fine to me lol

Key points!
FM is so detailed so use the details they give you!!!

- the reason why FM put scouts to give a report about the other team is to help you so read it, it may help!

- if a team scores most of there goals by passing or crossing then you must close them down and mark tight so they have less of the ball and create that pass chance, in reverse, if they score most of there goals by long ball, then drop back, common sense

- players training performance, its more important than you think, if they are training poor, what makes you think they will perform good on match days? A lot of people don't think to check this but don't say i didn't warn you, don't be fooled by a players morale, if its high but training poor don't expect great things from him, so speak to your player and tell him to perform better in training

- Injures? What injuries? People have moaned a lot about this but recently i haven't seen it! People have this idea of putting training high and/or individual training focus on high, because it makes them develop better and quicker, but surely thats given them a better risk to get them injured? Surely! The best way to develop players is them to get younger players tutored by older players with high determination and game time, the best way to develop a player! My training is on average, and individual focus on average, with match prep on 40% and rest before match. This give them a better prep before a match, surely winning a match is important?

- team talks! I haven't yet to master this, but using calm team talks a lot may help, do have to be assertive or passionate in every match, specially when your on a good run, as it may just over complicate things but this is just my opinion

- making subs at right time can just change the game, don't be afraid to use them, specially if you have to take of your best player, the amount of times i had to take my striker of at half time because he's playing a 6.2, he is holding the team back, why keep him on any longer? Okay your replacement may not score, but others might, but that sub could be crucial to the team performance

I got a lot more to say but i doubt anyone wants to spend anymore time reading lol so hope this helps, because it has revive my FM career lol

If you want more info, just contact me, happy to help a FM community


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[HarrisBoy]

Agreed. I would like to see people construct more critical posts about themselves rather than of the game. There's a lot of criticism of SI in threads here, but no criticism from people of themselves and what they might be doing wrong. If you can't admit your own flaws, improvement is going to take a while...

 

[smith123]

It's no 07, 08, 10, 11 or 12 but it's still a fun game and much more detailed and an improvement on last years for me. Granted i wish i could have as much fun on it as i had on the fab five i named but maybe i'm just getting old.

 

[RDF tactics]

Agreed. I would like to see people construct more critical posts about themselves rather than of the game. There's a lot of criticism of SI in threads here, but no criticism from people of themselves and what they might be doing wrong. If you can't admit your own flaws, improvement is going to take a while...

Agreed, i was one of those people who used to come on this site, download a tactic and think i will win everything.

There is so much more too this game and you should use every tool they give you otherwise pointless in having these tools.

Of course there is bugs and whatever, but there is was you can minimize the chances of these bugs from happening, being an actual manager is a start lol



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[RDF tactics]

It's no 07, 08, 10, 11 or 12 but it's still a fun game and much more detailed and an improvement on last years for me. Granted i wish i could have as much fun on it as i had on the fab five i named but maybe i'm just getting old.

Have you tried the classic mode? Its more fun on there.

I haven't yet used it myself though as i feel the normal mode is the closet thing to realistic. But you can make it fun, i've had plenty fun, but you do have to work for that fun lol


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[craiigman]

I play FM more patently than most. I make sure I cover everything before I press continue. I look at everything and check everything I need to. My training is top notch, my coaches are top notch, my formations are trained correctly, my team morale is high, I always seem to get good reactions from team talks and talking to the press, I read the reports, I see where the weak spots in my team are. I do all the **** things you a "meant" to do.

Yet FM14 just doesn't like it. It was very much the same on FM13 until the Jan patch which fixed a lot of the problems and I ended up putting in 167 hours. I haven't played the new update yet so I cannot say on what its done. But I have got 68 hours on FM14 but I am yet to finish a season with any team.

Yes I can admit that my tactics haven't always been good, getting used to the new system and stuff. However for me at least it doesn't seem to matter what formation or tactic I play the game just wants to **** me over. I've tried all the formations you can think of, changing the shouts and doing all that. Going over each players best and worst and buying players I need.

Then as soon as I start doing well, the game just flat out goes "no". And then I get thumped 4-0 at home by bottom of the league. And I don't care what anyone says you should not need to change your tactic for every game, that's not realistic. Yes you do need to make some small changes. But if I'm beating Liverpool 3-1 comfortably one week and the next getting beaten 4-0 by Hull City then where is the logic?

So your "be patient" hows 70 hours of patience and still being ****** over for you?

 

[SMcManus84]

Just wish I was an fm god like you....... Pff

 

[RDF tactics]

I play FM more patently than most. I make sure I cover everything before I press continue. I look at everything and check everything I need to. My training is top notch, my coaches are top notch, my formations are trained correctly, my team morale is high, I always seem to get good reactions from team talks and talking to the press, I read the reports, I see where the weak spots in my team are. I do all the **** things you a "meant" to do.

Yet FM14 just doesn't like it. It was very much the same on FM13 until the Jan patch which fixed a lot of the problems and I ended up putting in 167 hours. I haven't played the new update yet so I cannot say on what its done. But I have got 68 hours on FM14 but I am yet to finish a season with any team.

Yes I can admit that my tactics haven't always been good, getting used to the new system and stuff. However for me at least it doesn't seem to matter what formation or tactic I play the game just wants to **** me over. I've tried all the formations you can think of, changing the shouts and doing all that. Going over each players best and worst and buying players I need.

Then as soon as I start doing well, the game just flat out goes "no". And then I get thumped 4-0 at home by bottom of the league. And I don't care what anyone says you should not need to change your tactic for every game, that's not realistic. Yes you do need to make some small changes. But if I'm beating Liverpool 3-1 comfortably one week and the next getting beaten 4-0 by Hull City then where is the logic?

So your "be patient" hows 70 hours of patience and still being ****** over for you?

I know what you mean, but i must say since playing the game how it should, i haven't had problems, of course i have lost games but still successful.

Try and try, to us, our training maybe be top notch, our coaches and tactics, but it may not be if you get a bunch if bad results, every formation can work, but a tactic is different, things like team instructions and player instructions is what i meant by tactics.

And signing players you think will work because of there attributes will not always work, you got to accept that, otherwise the game will just be too easy. In real life, Man Utd sign Forlan who thought would be good for them, Veron, it doesn't always work out.

Did you change anything when you played Liverpool and Hull City? Because i would have, every team plays different, you probably beat liverpool because both attacked and you are probably the better attacking team, but Hull will play to counter your tactics if you see what i mean. Mourinho is the prime example of what im trying to say, he went to city and beat them with a clean sheet, but how he played at City, he would play the same way at home to Cardiff, your team instructions should change according to who you are playing.


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[RDF tactics]

Just wish I was an fm god like you....... Pff

Far from...so much better FM users out there. Im just getting to understand the game


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[HarrisBoy]

But I have got 68 hours on FM14 but I am yet to finish a season with any team.

So your "be patient" hows 70 hours of patience and still being ****** over for you?

>Not finished a season
>Patience isn't being rewarded.

I'm struggling to take you seriously.

 

[RDF tactics]

He wouldn't play at the same way at hone to Cardiff*


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[RDF tactics]

>Not finished a season
>Patience isn't being rewarded.

I'm struggling to take you seriously.

I was thinking the same thing but he has points.

What i don't get is that so many people have had unbelievable achievements on FM14 alone, so i know its not the game...

People blame the game too often, yes, the game can be silly, you can have 25 shots, 7 clear cuts and score 1 lol but then clearly something is wrong with your team/tactic/or whenever, FM just has a funny way if showing it lol


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[Burnsey85]

I'm all for being patient, but my problem is nonsensical sackings. Had them with Southampton, West Ham(to a lesser extent) and most recently Everton, here's what happened at Everton...

Finished first season 7th, Second season 9th(I think, proper missed Lukaku)
Sold players for upwards of 45mil over 2 seasons(Got 14m for Miralles and 29m for Barkley alone)
Bought players for miniscule amounts compared (Rodwell for 4.5m, Barry free, Cassano & Guidetti for pennies...)

Only board requests were bring up youth, by 3rd season I had about 2 who were heavily rotated in, and 3/4 backup all from the youth ranks.

Third season started shakily, had a board meeting after dropping to 16th and losing to Palace 3-0, talked my way out of it and then shot up to 7th over the next couple of months.

After losing to Arsenal, Fulham, Man Utd, then Leicester(3-0 again, admittedly) I had another board meeting asking me to pick up 10 points in 5 games and my first two games were Chelsea and Man City, lost both & got sacked. Fair play...

Except at this point I was around 11th in the League when sacked and this was in December. Even after narrowly missing out on Europe the 2 seasons before, Everton wouldn't sack a manager for being 11th in December, while reaching board promises and making them a fortune.

Very similar story with Southampton, while the West Ham game was a bit more understandable(very bad run of results against average teams if I remember correctly) but I was still only mid bottom half of the table at the point of sacking. Both of which were in the second season.

Makes it very hard to get addicted to this years like I have every other year, when you know the boards are ridiculously harsh... especially when you say they're exceptionally harsh compared to real chairmen these days!

I know this post is slightly away from the points you made, but this is all to blame the game. I'm being patient, I'm doing as well / better than the current real managers and still getting sacked. That's not a lack of understanding or a lack of patience. That's purely a bad game if that game prides itself on being realistic.

 

[pipodeclown]

I actually really like this game... But only last few weeks, before that I was just as annoyed with it as many people. It's a more difficult game that requires time and patience I love it !

 

[Dihenzo]

I hear what your saying but i do not agree with your key word "PATIENCE". Sum of us here have had the game since release day so its not about patience my friend. The game was released in a poor state meaning it forces you to adapt to it or you get screwed over big time. That is the limitation most do not enjoy. Understand that people paid for this product & expect it to work well. I do agree that sum criticism about the game has not been objective & constructive but you cannot blame people for that when it takes SI so long to release a patch. We are different, sum people will go on & enjoy the game even if its full of bugs, sum do not even notice them while others will stop playing till a patch fixes those bugs.

Iv only been playing 3 season saves then i start all over again because once the bugs accumulate there is no point playing on. Iv also noticed the division in this forum between those that will forever accept the game in any state & defend it & those that complain on & on about its bugs. All i can say is read through the new patch changelog & explain to me how you expect people to be patient when they have been playing a beta version of the game for many months? A lot of basic elements did not function & its like you demand people to praise what has been a poor game all along. Sorry man, i cannot do that

 

[RDF tactics]

I hear what your saying but i do not agree with your key word "PATIENCE". Sum of us here have had the game since release day so its not about patience my friend. The game was released in a poor state meaning it forces you to adapt to it or you get screwed over big time. That is the limitation most do not enjoy. Understand that people paid for this product & expect it to work well. I do agree that sum criticism about the game has not been objective & constructive but you cannot blame people for that when it takes SI so long to release a patch. We are different, sum people will go on & enjoy the game even if its full of bugs, sum do not even notice them while others will stop playing till a patch fixes those bugs.

Iv only been playing 3 season saves then i start all over again because once the bugs accumulate there is no point playing on. Iv also noticed the division in this forum between those that will forever accept the game in any state & defend it & those that complain on & on about its bugs. All i can say is read through the new patch changelog & explain to me how you expect people to be patient when they have been playing a beta version of the game for many months? A lot of basic elements did not function & its like you demand people to praise what has been a poor game all along. Sorry man, i cannot do that

I do agree, i've had this game since release date, it was the highlight of my year lol and when i got used to the game i was totally ****** off because everything was wrong with it, they fix one problem and another occurs. But this ain't about the bugs, its about people moaning about the bugs because they are losing or getting bad results when they feel they shouldn't, i was one of them.

But then i thought, why do these people that make tactics always get great results and i cannot, its impatience. I thought having the right tactic will just give me instant success, i was wrong, over the couple days i realised there is more to the game that you have to concentrate on.

We can all work with bugs, we've been doing it for years now because every football manager, every release has had bugs, in fact, every game has a bug. But like i said, this about people not having patience with success, because if people, me included, won everything 1st season i would not complain about bugs, and its not the bugs thats stopping us from getting success

But yes, i agree, this year, the bugs are very noticeable and annoying, SI take ages for new patch releases.


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[RDF tactics]

I actually really like this game... But only last few weeks, before that I was just as annoyed with it as many people. It's a more difficult game that requires time and patience I love it !

Its true, i was impatient, if i lost 2 games in a row i would blame the game and quit, if i didn't win the league with a big club i'd quit. I wasn't playing the game like a 'football manager' but i blame FM for that for the previous games, you could find that perfect tactic and win, dont even have to worry about other things

The game is more realistic in that sense, but again, bugs annoy me! Lol


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[Tomw3]

Yeah patience is the key mate it's just i'm having one slight issue. I don't know if tis is a bug or not certain players are reacting badly to individual warnings. For instance, in Jan vertonghen's case, he had a previous game of 6.0 but when I warn him about his previous game he states that he's been defending well and as a result his moral drops. Really weird.
It's frustrating as well when you're trying to break a mid-season slump and eventually I do lose my patience.

 

[Revolve]

The thing is, you're now one of a distinct minority of people who really enjoy the hardcore tinkering and the whole "spend 30 hours learning the game before you can win" thing that SI seem to be pushing. The people complaining (and I'm one of these) are the people who want to enjoy the game straight away without it being a job to figure out it's formula - which let's be honest is just finding out how to exploit ME weaknesses and play around them.

Picking up a plug and play tactic with a formation I like the look of and then getting stuck in to the game is what allowed me to thoroughly enjoy these games for over 500+ hours. I like building a team, bringing one up from nothing to be a powerhouse and improving it's facilities, stadium and attendances over many seasons. I sure as **** don't want to have to first spend 30+ hours being infuriated by the ME until it "clicks" and then more hours every season changing the tactic when the AI clocks it.

That's not fun for me, nor is it for the majority of the fanbase which is why you see many complaints. Unfortunately the vocal majority of the minority who do like the grind shoot straight back with "it's your tactics, just learn the new ways of doing things that SI intended" which prevents any sort of discourse or progress. Of course we could all thoroughly learn the ins and outs of the ME and then excel, but we can't all spend the time and energy to do that when we already have commitments, and not many people even enjoy doing that sort of micromanagement. It's fantastic that you and the tactic creators do, and it's even more amazing that those tactic creators then share them. But that's why people don't like this game. It's punishing, unforgiving, buggy, illogical and infuriating. Some people love it, more people don't.

Unfortunately that seems to be the direction SI are intent on taking the series and honestly I despair. Many of the features elsewhere in the game that have been brought in I really like, and going back to FM13, which I love now it's fully patched, would seem like a backwards step.

 

[Dihenzo]

The thing is, you're now one of a distinct minority of people who really enjoy the hardcore tinkering and the whole "spend 30 hours learning the game before you can win" thing that SI seem to be pushing. The people complaining (and I'm one of these) are the people who want to enjoy the game straight away without it being a job to figure out it's formula - which let's be honest is just finding out how to exploit ME weaknesses and play around them.

Picking up a plug and play tactic with a formation I like the look of and then getting stuck in to the game is what allowed me to thoroughly enjoy these games for over 500+ hours. I like building a team, bringing one up from nothing to be a powerhouse and improving it's facilities, stadium and attendances over many seasons. I sure as **** don't want to have to first spend 30+ hours being infuriated by the ME until it "clicks" and then more hours every season changing the tactic when the AI clocks it.

That's not fun for me, nor is it for the majority of the fanbase which is why you see many complaints. Unfortunately the vocal majority of the minority who do like the grind shoot straight back with "it's your tactics, just learn the new ways of doing things that SI intended" which prevents any sort of discourse or progress. Of course we could all thoroughly learn the ins and outs of the ME and then excel, but we can't all spend the time and energy to do that when we already have commitments, and not many people even enjoy doing that sort of micromanagement. It's fantastic that you and the tactic creators do, and it's even more amazing that those tactic creators then share them. But that's why people don't like this game. It's punishing, unforgiving, buggy, illogical and infuriating. Some people love it, more people don't.

Unfortunately that seems to be the direction SI are intent on taking the series and honestly I despair. Many of the features elsewhere in the game that have been brought in I really like, and going back to FM13, which I love now it's fully patched, would seem like a backwards step.

Well said!! Iv been playing FM13 & i am having a blast. I will try FM14 with the new patch once my busy weekend is over & give it one last try. I am all for a detailed game but i also feel SI are pushing it too far with regards to the match engine. I do not want to be restricted to adapt to its bugs & be forced to play a formation i do not like forever, its boring & far from realistic as sum claim. Iv had a lot of success with FM14 but even so its not fun or rewarding for me. I get the feeling i am constantly fighting with the game than enjoying it. If SI can sort out their match engine & scripts then i am sure many of these complaints would vanish. FM is supposed to be a football simulation game not a match engine research & analysis game