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TACTICTESTPLDFORAGGGDPTSAGPGACPGAPPG
Annihilator v7Lazovich1323221781442672.441.352.02
TRIBUTE TO FERENC PUSKAS v2Lucho (145)902111091021822.341.212.02
Annihilator v5 for Instant Result (with OI's)Lucho (145)902081001081802.311.112.00
Annihilator v5 (with OI's)Lucho (145)90186106801792.071.181.99
Knap FM16.3 442 AF THE CRUNGELucho (145)902341251091772.601.391.97
Spectre v2Lazovich132286189972512.171.431.90
Date! 4-4-2dginola Bournemouth76181130511442.381.711.89
Annihilator v2 (with OIs)Lucho (145)90182107751702.021.191.89
Knap Midsommer Std Update (with OI's)Lucho (145)90190108821702.111.201.89
CALLY MAC'S DREAM TACTICLucho (145)90181110711662.011.221.84
Plug and Play 4-4-1-1Core2FM (West Ham)90193138551662.141.531.84
Annihilator v1 (with OI's)Lucho (145)90199118811652.211.311.83
WRATH! V5 - ATTACKINGLucho (145)90184122621652.041.361.83
Annihilator v2 (with OIs)dginola Bournemouth76174134401392.291.761.83
Deadly Circle v11Lucho (145)90185112731602.061.241.78
Raumdeuter Party v2Lucho (145)90188118701602.091.311.78
Annihilator v2 for Instant Result (with OIs)Lucho (145)90183127561602.031.411.78
Spectre v2Lucho (145)90186116701592.071.291.77
Knap Midsomerdginola Bournemouth7615499551342.031.301.76
Knap Midsommer Std Update (with OI's)dginola Bournemouth76180133471342.371.751.76
SPQRdginola Bournemouth76144105391331.891.381.75
Annihilator v2 (with OIs)Lazovich132258172862311.951.301.75
Kingdom v1 (with OIs)Lucho (145)90153101521571.701.121.74
WRATH! V5 - ATTACKINGCore2FM (West Ham)90158114441571.761.271.74
FM Serbia 4-4-1-1 Striker Domination (with OI's)Lucho (145)9014894541561.641.041.73
Deadly Circle Counter v1Lucho (145)90182132501562.021.471.73
Deep Sicillian Defence v5dginola Bournemouth76171134371292.251.761.70
Date! 4-4-2Lucho (145)90173127461521.921.411.69
Annihilator v7dginola Bournemouth76169120491282.221.581.68
Spectre v2dginola Bournemouth76181128531282.381.681.68
TRIBUTE TO FERENC PUSKAS v2dginola Bournemouth76173135381282.281.781.68
Date! 4-4-2Lazovich132276221552222.091.671.68
4231 Deep Tribute to FM-BaseLucho (145)90149100491511.661.111.68
Knap Summer Holiday (with OIs)Lucho (145)90192132601512.131.471.68
galego25 TFF Sunfire Attacking Tweak v1Lucho (145)90160107531501.781.191.67
Chicken Wing! v2.88Lucho (145)90172110621501.911.221.67
Knap FM16.3 442 AF THE CRUNGEdginola Bournemouth76201138631262.641.821.66
Deep Sicillian Defence v5Core2FM (West Ham)90143108351491.591.201.66
Deadly Circle v3Lucho (145)90160113471491.781.261.66
Dazed and Confused CounterCore2FM (West Ham)90163123401491.811.371.66
Annihilator v3 for Instant Result (with OIs)Lucho (145)90162133291491.801.481.66
Knap MidsomerLazovich132249199502181.891.511.65
Date! 4-4-2Core2FM (West Ham)90169140291481.881.561.64
Deadly Circle v6 (with OIs)Lucho (145)90169121481471.881.341.63
TRIBUTE TO FERENC PUSKAS v2Lazovich132238193452151.801.461.63
Sir Goalalot 16.3Core2FM (West Ham)90149121281461.661.341.62
Kingdom v2dginola Bournemouth76155111441232.041.461.62
Plug and Play 4-4-1-1dginola Bournemouth76149121281231.961.591.62
Dazed and Confused CounterLucho (145)90179125541451.991.391.61
TK4-3-3Lucho (145)90167135321451.861.501.61
Annihilator v7Core2FM (West Ham)90169129401441.881.431.60
Raumdeuter Party (with OIs)Lucho (145)90174140341431.931.561.59
Hydra v2Lazovich132236192442091.791.451.58
Assymetric Rambleon (with OIs)Lucho (145)90172116561421.911.291.58
Hydra v2Lucho (145)90156123331421.731.371.58
Puskas IIICore2FM (West Ham)90160132281421.781.471.58
TRIBUTE TO FERENC PUSKAS v2Lucho (120)90160147131421.781.631.58
Kingdom v1 (with OIs)Lazovich132226163632071.711.231.57
Diego Simeone Unbeatable Atletico Madrid (with OIs)Lucho (145)90144109351411.601.211.57
Classic Golddginola Bournemouth76157118391192.071.551.57
Mr L 4-2-1-3 Sicilian Attack 16.3Lazovich132206168382061.561.271.56
Spectre v2Core2FM (West Ham)90137109281391.521.211.54
Deadly Circle v11dginola Bournemouth76146126201171.921.661.54
CALLY MAC'S DREAM TACTICLazovich132219180392031.661.361.54
Kingdom v2Core2FM (West Ham)90177142351381.971.581.53
Classic GoldLazovich132224190342001.701.441.52
Kontinum v2Core2FM (West Ham)90139120191361.541.331.51
Kingdom v1 (with OIs)Lucho (120)90126135-91351.401.501.50
DF normal apvLazovich132241218231981.831.651.50
WRATH! V5 - BALANCEDCore2FM (West Ham)90136119171341.511.321.49
FourFourTwo-LaldyLucho (145)90175146291341.941.621.49
4-3-3 Possession Tactic / Scholes Can't TackleLucho (145)90145122231331.611.361.48
TRIBUTE TO FERENC PUSKAS v2Core2FM (West Ham)90146129171331.621.431.48
Vodu SpaceInvader 16.3Lucho (145)9014313491331.591.491.48
Plug and Play 4-5-1Core2FM (West Ham)90133112211321.481.241.47
Annihilator v6Core2FM (West Ham)90162139231321.801.541.47
4-3-3 Apocalypse AttackLazovich132281252291922.131.911.45
Annihilator v5Core2FM (West Ham)9014213661281.581.511.42
Replica v2 StructuredLucho (145)90117103141271.301.141.41
The 5-2-3Lucho (145)90125111141251.391.231.39
4-4-2- INVERTEDLucho (145)9014613881231.621.531.37
arsenal 4231Lazovich132258295-371781.952.231.35
Annihilator v2 for Instant Result (with OIs)Lucho (120)90154161-71211.711.791.34
Four SticksCore2FM (West Ham)90146164-181211.621.821.34
4231 Deep Tribute to FM-BaseCore2FM (West Ham)90124141-171201.381.571.33
Knap BRON-Y-AUR STOMPLazovich132231221101761.751.671.33
Black KnightCore2FM (West Ham)9012811961191.421.321.32
CALLY MAC'S DREAM TACTIC v2Core2FM (West Ham)90135144-61191.501.601.32
Replica v2 StructuredCore2FM (West Ham)90146148-21191.621.641.32
Deadly Circle v11Core2FM (West Ham)9014914901191.661.661.32
Annihilator v3dginola Bournemouth761491436991.961.881.30
Deadly Circle v11Lucho (120)90142157-151171.581.741.30
V3 343 Zero Sea's Tiki-TakaLazovich132259303-441711.962.301.30
Spectre v2Lucho (120)90142164-221161.581.821.29
V7 Evolution - ChristianEriksenLazovich132154165-111641.171.251.24
Annihilator v1 (with OI's)Lucho (120)90134158-241111.491.761.23
galego25 TFF Sunfire Attacking Tweak v1Lucho (120)90129146-171091.431.621.21
GoalsGoalsLazovich132270301-311592.052.281.20
WRATH! V5 - ATTACKINGLucho (120)90134150-161061.491.671.18
Date! 4-4-2Lucho (120)90159187-281061.772.081.18
Dazed and Confused CounterLucho (120)90120151-311041.331.681.16
The Four HorsemenLucho (145)9090110-201031.001.221.14
Annihilator v5 for Instant Result (with OI's)Lucho (120)90143185-421031.592.061.14
Annihilator v3 for Instant Result (with OIs)Lucho (120)90146161-151011.621.791.12
Deadly Circle v6 (with OIs)Lucho (120)90135174-391011.501.931.12
4-4-2- INVERTEDLazovich132188226-381471.421.711.11
Hydra v2Lucho (120)90109151-42981.211.681.09
Knap Midsommer Std Update (with OI's)Lucho (120)90122177-55971.361.971.08
Deadly Circle v3Lucho (120)90124148-24951.381.641.06
Annihilator v5 (with OI's)Lucho (120)90135172-37951.501.911.06
Knap Summer Holiday (with OIs)Lucho (120)90143178-35941.591.981.04
Vodu SpaceInvader 16.3Lucho (120)90110182-72941.222.021.04
Raumdeuter Party (with OIs)Lucho (120)90121169-48931.341.881.03
Raumdeuter Party v2Lucho (120)90136166-30911.511.841.01
CALLY MAC'S DREAM TACTICLucho (120)90111179-68881.231.990.98
Annihilator v2 (with OIs)Lucho (120)90123181-58881.372.010.98
Assymetric Rambleon (with OIs)Lucho (120)90103175-72871.141.940.97
4231 Deep Tribute to FM-BaseLucho (120)90106171-65861.181.900.96
Deadly Circle Counter v1Lucho (120)90111181-70861.232.010.96
Knap FM16.3 442 AF THE CRUNGELucho (120)90127193-66851.412.140.94
FM Serbia 4-4-1-1 Striker Domination (with OI's)Lucho (120)9091137-46801.011.520.89
Chicken Wing! v2.88Lucho (120)90109162-53791.211.800.88
Replica v2 StructuredLucho (120)90100184-84781.112.040.87
FourFourTwo-LaldyLucho (120)90123191-68781.372.120.87
The 5-2-3Lucho (120)90112194-82751.242.160.83
4-3-3 Possession Tactic / Scholes Can't TackleLucho (120)9099171-72741.101.900.82
TK4-3-3Lucho (120)90114205-91721.272.280.80
4-4-2- INVERTEDLucho (120)9089171-82690.991.900.77
Diego Simeone Unbeatable Atletico Madrid (with OIs)Lucho (120)9078165-87660.871.830.73
The Four HorsemenLucho (120)9093173-80651.031.920.72
Perfect The Counter AttackLucho (145)9088166-78640.981.840.71
Perfect The Counter AttackLucho (120)9066251-185320.732.790.36

AGPG = Average Goals Per Game


ACPG = Average Conceded Per Game

APPG - Average Points Per Game
 
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First position Tactic i agree with, Quality Tactic and 4-2-3-1 is an awesome formation
 
First position Tactic i agree with, Quality Tactic and 4-2-3-1 is an awesome formation
I agree it is a very good tactic but the table does not tell the whole story as only 4 tactics have been tested in all 4 tests.
 
CA 120 replicates an underdog team and CA 145 a top 10 mid table team. The CA 145 is equivalent to my modified West Ham test. I have started the top 4 team tests and will later do an underdog test.

I am working on completing a full set of tests, so a modified underdog team, mid table and top 4 team, this will give a better idea as to the strengths and weaknesses of each tactic.
 
Another suggestion Will, my modified West Ham test is probably the equivalent of Lucho's CA 145 mid table top 10 test. Dginola's Bournemouth test is probably equivalent to Lucho's CA 120 test. Could you split the table and as more tests are completed you could update each section to give a better idea as to how each tactic works with a certain subset of players.
 
So you started a conclusion without some of these other test to have done test with tactics that is in your board.... lol, just i was wonder what is going wrong here lol
Most of the cages are empty... i think this thread should never have opened .i dont see the reason :/
 
TACTICTESTPLDFORAGGGDPTSAGPGACPGAPPG
TRIBUTE TO FERENC PUSKAS v2Lucho (145)902111091021822.341.212.02
Annihilator v5 for Instant Result (with OI's)Lucho (145)902081001081802.311.112.00
Annihilator v5 (with OI's)Lucho (145)90186106801792.071.181.99
Knap FM16.3 442 AF THE CRUNGELucho (145)902341251091772.601.391.97
Date! 4-4-2dginola Bournemouth76181130511442.381.711.89
Annihilator v2 (with OIs)Lucho (145)90182107751702.021.191.89
Knap Midsommer Std Update (with OI's)Lucho (145)90190108821702.111.201.89
CALLY MAC'S DREAM TACTICLucho (145)90181110711662.011.221.84
Plug and Play 4-4-1-1Core2FM (West Ham)90193138551662.141.531.84
Annihilator v1 (with OI's)Lucho (145)90199118811652.211.311.83
WRATH! V5 - ATTACKINGLucho (145)90184122621652.041.361.83
Annihilator v2 (with OIs)dginola Bournemouth76174134401392.291.761.83
Deadly Circle v11Lucho (145)90185112731602.061.241.78
Raumdeuter Party v2Lucho (145)90188118701602.091.311.78
Annihilator v2 for Instant Result (with OIs)Lucho (145)90183127561602.031.411.78
Spectre v2Lucho (145)90186116701592.071.291.77
Knap Midsomerdginola Bournemouth7615499551342.031.301.76
Knap Midsommer Std Update (with OI's)dginola Bournemouth76180133471342.371.751.76
SPQRdginola Bournemouth76144105391331.891.381.75
Kingdom v1 (with OIs)Lucho (145)90153101521571.701.121.74
WRATH! V5 - ATTACKINGCore2FM (West Ham)90158114441571.761.271.74
FM Serbia 4-4-1-1 Striker Domination (with OI's)Lucho (145)9014894541561.641.041.73
Deadly Circle Counter v1Lucho (145)90182132501562.021.471.73
Deep Sicillian Defence v5dginola Bournemouth76171134371292.251.761.70
Date! 4-4-2Lucho (145)90173127461521.921.411.69
Annihilator v7dginola Bournemouth76169120491282.221.581.68
Spectre v2dginola Bournemouth76181128531282.381.681.68
TRIBUTE TO FERENC PUSKAS v2dginola Bournemouth76173135381282.281.781.68
4231 Deep Tribute to FM-BaseLucho (145)90149100491511.661.111.68
Knap Summer Holiday (with OIs)Lucho (145)90192132601512.131.471.68
galego25 TFF Sunfire Attacking Tweak v1Lucho (145)90160107531501.781.191.67
Chicken Wing! v2.88Lucho (145)90172110621501.911.221.67
Knap FM16.3 442 AF THE CRUNGEdginola Bournemouth76201138631262.641.821.66
Deep Sicillian Defence v5Core2FM (West Ham)90143108351491.591.201.66
Deadly Circle v3Lucho (145)90160113471491.781.261.66
Dazed and Confused CounterCore2FM (West Ham)90163123401491.811.371.66
Annihilator v3 for Instant Result (with OIs)Lucho (145)90162133291491.801.481.66
Date! 4-4-2Core2FM (West Ham)90169140291481.881.561.64
Deadly Circle v6 (with OIs)Lucho (145)90169121481471.881.341.63
Sir Goalalot 16.3Core2FM (West Ham)90149121281461.661.341.62
Kingdom v2dginola Bournemouth76155111441232.041.461.62
Plug and Play 4-4-1-1dginola Bournemouth76149121281231.961.591.62
Dazed and Confused CounterLucho (145)90179125541451.991.391.61
TK4-3-3Lucho (145)90167135321451.861.501.61
Annihilator v7Core2FM (West Ham)90169129401441.881.431.60
Raumdeuter Party (with OIs)Lucho (145)90174140341431.931.561.59
Assymetric Rambleon (with OIs)Lucho (145)90172116561421.911.291.58
Hydra v2Lucho (145)90156123331421.731.371.58
Puskas IIICore2FM (West Ham)90160132281421.781.471.58
TRIBUTE TO FERENC PUSKAS v2Lucho (120)90160147131421.781.631.58
Diego Simeone Unbeatable Atletico Madrid (with OIs)Lucho (145)90144109351411.601.211.57
Classic Golddginola Bournemouth76157118391192.071.551.57
Spectre v2Core2FM (West Ham)90137109281391.521.211.54
Deadly Circle v11dginola Bournemouth76146126201171.921.661.54
Kingdom v2Core2FM (West Ham)90177142351381.971.581.53
Kontinum v2Core2FM (West Ham)90139120191361.541.331.51
Kingdom v1 (with OIs)Lucho (120)90126135-91351.401.501.50
WRATH! V5 - BALANCEDCore2FM (West Ham)90136119171341.511.321.49
FourFourTwo-LaldyLucho (145)90175146291341.941.621.49
4-3-3 Possession Tactic / Scholes Can't TackleLucho (145)90145122231331.611.361.48
TRIBUTE TO FERENC PUSKAS v2Core2FM (West Ham)90146129171331.621.431.48
Vodu SpaceInvader 16.3Lucho (145)9014313491331.591.491.48
Plug and Play 4-5-1Core2FM (West Ham)90133112211321.481.241.47
Annihilator v6Core2FM (West Ham)90162139231321.801.541.47
Annihilator v5Core2FM (West Ham)9014213661281.581.511.42
Replica v2 StructuredLucho (145)90117103141271.301.141.41
The 5-2-3Lucho (145)90125111141251.391.231.39
4-4-2- INVERTEDLucho (145)9014613881231.621.531.37
Annihilator v2 for Instant Result (with OIs)Lucho (120)90154161-71211.711.791.34
Four SticksCore2FM (West Ham)90146164-181211.621.821.34
4231 Deep Tribute to FM-BaseCore2FM (West Ham)90124141-171201.381.571.33
Black KnightCore2FM (West Ham)9012811961191.421.321.32
CALLY MAC'S DREAM TACTIC v2Core2FM (West Ham)90135144-61191.501.601.32
Replica v2 StructuredCore2FM (West Ham)90146148-21191.621.641.32
Deadly Circle v11Core2FM (West Ham)9014914901191.661.661.32
Annihilator v3dginola Bournemouth761491436991.961.881.30
Deadly Circle v11Lucho (120)90142157-151171.581.741.30
Spectre v2Lucho (120)90142164-221161.581.821.29
Annihilator v1 (with OI's)Lucho (120)90134158-241111.491.761.23
galego25 TFF Sunfire Attacking Tweak v1Lucho (120)90129146-171091.431.621.21
WRATH! V5 - ATTACKINGLucho (120)90134150-161061.491.671.18
Date! 4-4-2Lucho (120)90159187-281061.772.081.18
Dazed and Confused CounterLucho (120)90120151-311041.331.681.16
The Four HorsemenLucho (145)9090110-201031.001.221.14
Annihilator v5 for Instant Result (with OI's)Lucho (120)90143185-421031.592.061.14
Annihilator v3 for Instant Result (with OIs)Lucho (120)90146161-151011.621.791.12
Deadly Circle v6 (with OIs)Lucho (120)90135174-391011.501.931.12
Hydra v2Lucho (120)90109151-42981.211.681.09
Knap Midsommer Std Update (with OI's)Lucho (120)90122177-55971.361.971.08
Deadly Circle v3Lucho (120)90124148-24951.381.641.06
Annihilator v5 (with OI's)Lucho (120)90135172-37951.501.911.06
Knap Summer Holiday (with OIs)Lucho (120)90143178-35941.591.981.04
Vodu SpaceInvader 16.3Lucho (120)90110182-72941.222.021.04
Raumdeuter Party (with OIs)Lucho (120)90121169-48931.341.881.03
Raumdeuter Party v2Lucho (120)90136166-30911.511.841.01
CALLY MAC'S DREAM TACTICLucho (120)90111179-68881.231.990.98
Annihilator v2 (with OIs)Lucho (120)90123181-58881.372.010.98
Assymetric Rambleon (with OIs)Lucho (120)90103175-72871.141.940.97
4231 Deep Tribute to FM-BaseLucho (120)90106171-65861.181.900.96
Deadly Circle Counter v1Lucho (120)90111181-70861.232.010.96
Knap FM16.3 442 AF THE CRUNGELucho (120)90127193-66851.412.140.94
FM Serbia 4-4-1-1 Striker Domination (with OI's)Lucho (120)9091137-46801.011.520.89
Chicken Wing! v2.88Lucho (120)90109162-53791.211.800.88
Replica v2 StructuredLucho (120)90100184-84781.112.040.87
FourFourTwo-LaldyLucho (120)90123191-68781.372.120.87
The 5-2-3Lucho (120)90112194-82751.242.160.83
4-3-3 Possession Tactic / Scholes Can't TackleLucho (120)9099171-72741.101.900.82
TK4-3-3Lucho (120)90114205-91721.272.280.80
4-4-2- INVERTEDLucho (120)9089171-82690.991.900.77
Diego Simeone Unbeatable Atletico Madrid (with OIs)Lucho (120)9078165-87660.871.830.73
The Four HorsemenLucho (120)9093173-80651.031.920.72
Perfect The Counter AttackLucho (145)9088166-78640.981.840.71
Perfect The Counter AttackLucho (120)9066251-185320.732.790.36

AGPG = Average Goals Per Game

ACPG = Average Conceded Per Game

APPG - Average Points Per Game
 
So you started a conclusion without some of these other test to have done test with tactics that is in your board.... lol, just i was wonder what is going wrong here lol
Most of the cages are empty... i think this thread should never have opened .i dont see the reason :/
table now sorted by average points per game

PS its just for a bit of fun you really do not need to get so upset about it.
 
besides the empty parts could be filled at a later stage if the different testers choose to test some of the tactics missing, which could lead to updates in the table ;)
 
my eyes... this is quite intimidating too many tactics, some with so many versions and so many statistics for normal player to digest
 
i have an idea why not each tester pick a league and test with 3 teams just like dginla and then make summary of it?
like dginola = premier league, will = italy league, corefm = spanish league
 
aussiepower it's not as simple as that, it's also depends on the relative ability of the test team compared to the competition. A test should encompass a variety of teams and tactics. Shameless plug of my own testing, but I have assigned all the best managers to the test league so the test team plays against a variety of popular formations, both offensive and defensive. Once I have completed all three rounds, ie a top 4 test, top 10 test and an underdog test, this will give a better indication as to the relative strengths and weaknesses of each tactic.

For example the plug and play 4-4-1-1 tactic, I noticed straight away that it does not work as well if the MCL is not left footed. Also it needs strong central midfielders who can both defend and attack. If I change to more creative types of midifielders in those roles then the formation does not work as well.
 
Not yet. The goal is to have three types of completed tests. The modified West Ham test db replicates a solid mid table top 10 team, the modified Liverpool test replicates a strong top 4 team, I will later add an underdog test. Once all these tests are finished, we will be able to see which tactic performs best with certain types of teams and players.

I see a lot of people believe that this year there is no way to ascertain if a tactic is good or not. This is true to an extent however some tactics given the exact same conditions will outperform another tactic. This is what the testing is trying to ascertain, ie given the exact same conditions, the save file is the same, the AI teams have been modified to always attack or defend, no if all these variables are to some extent constant, then if tactic a vastly outperforms tactic b, we can declare that in that situation that tactic over the length of a season with outperform the other tactic.

Did you make a underdog table as well?
 
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