Tactical help required

[Cookie1]

But as I said, I think you can alter their shooting tendencies and risky passes via PIs? Don't have the game open right now.

Most of the AML/R roles involve dribbling often. If you don't want that, then you should really then look to either drop them back a strata or use central AMs.

Support Advanced Playmaker is probably the worst of the roles you could have chosen if you also expect them to make runs and share goal scoring duties. They're not aggressive enough. The Attack duty version is maybe worth a shot to see if it's what you want, but again, they will be playmakers. They'll receive the ball more and they'll look to supply rather than score for the most part.


Maybe that's the main problem here. Variation is good, don't forget.

Remember what you're asking your players right now. You're asking all 3 midfielders to remain narrow and sit next to each other. That's making it dead easy to defend. Especially when 2 of the 3 won't really be looking to make runs either.

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I don't understand why you have Retain Possession though? You didn't select it to reduce through balls, because you added that back with Pass Into Space and you didn't select it for the Shorter Passing, because you already have Play Out of Defence and Shorter Passing.

You can change the shooting tendencies and risky passes, but the dribble more and cut inside PIs are there by default and cannot be removed. So an inside forward will still do the same thing.

If I drop the wide AMs back a strata then I will not be able to create the diamond that I want.Moving them central leads to the problem of them getting in each others way.

I have Retain Possession because I want my team to hold on to the ball when there are no passing options instead of giving it away, and also because I like my team to have the most of the ball.

 

[WJ]

You can change the shooting tendencies and risky passes, but the dribble more and cut inside PIs are there by default and cannot be removed. So an inside forward will still do the same thing.

So you don't want them to dribble. That's the issue with using an AML/R role. There's always Dribble Less as a TI, but that will reduce dribbling across the board.

If I drop the wide AMs back a strata then I will not be able to create the diamond that I want

Why not? Why can't a Wide Midfielder be asked to Sit Narrower?

Moving them central leads to the problem of them getting in each others way.

Have you tried this?

I have Retain Possession because I want my team to hold on to the ball when there are no passing options instead of giving it away, and also because I like my team to have the most of the ball.

I'll try again.

1 - It reduces risky pass, which you increased again with Pass Into Space. So no difference at all.

2 - It shortens passing, which you already shortened with the other Instructions.

The instruction doesn't do anything else. All you've done is shorten passing even more.

This may well be a reason why inside forwards struggled. You've given them few options as far as passing in concerned.

 

[Cookie1]

So you don't want them to dribble. That's the issue with using an AML/R role. There's always Dribble Less as a TI, but that will reduce dribbling across the board.

Why not? Why can't a Wide Midfielder be asked to Sit Narrower?


Have you tried this?


I'll try again.

1 - It reduces risky pass, which you increased again with Pass Into Space. So no difference at all.

2 - It shortens passing, which you already shortened with the other Instructions.

The instruction doesn't do anything else. All you've done is shorten passing even more.

This may well be a reason why inside forwards struggled. You've given them few options as far as passing in concerned.

I'll try the WM role. See if it does what I want.

I have tried using three CAMs with different roles but I want them to be doing the same thing, which will as I mentioned lead to them getting in each others way. I might try the WM. It seems the best option.

About the Retain Possession, I dont understand why the inside forwards, or any other players in the formation have fewer passing options? I mean, the inside forward will have the CAM, the ST and the FB along with the CMs to pass to. I just dont want him to pass it long as it's not the style of play I want. Another thing, if I remove Retain Possession, wouldn't that lead to loss of possession very often, as I have pass into space ticked? Thanks.

 

[WJ]

I have tried using three CAMs with different roles but I want them to be doing the same thing, which will as I mentioned lead to them getting in each others way. I might try the WM. It seems the best option.

At the very least you want the 'outer' AMCs to drift wider to create that diamond, surely though?

About the Retain Possession, I dont understand why the inside forwards, or any other players in the formation have fewer passing options? I mean, the inside forward will have the CAM, the ST and the FB along with the CMs to pass to. I just dont want him to pass it long as it's not the style of play I want. Another thing, if I remove Retain Possession, wouldn't that lead to loss of possession very often, as I have pass into space ticked? Thanks.

Well, obviously ----- as I've said, your Pass Into Space and Retain Possession cancels each other out, so if you remove Retain Possession, just remove Pass Into Space and you're back to where you were?

 

[Cookie1]

At the very least you want the 'outer' AMCs to drift wider to create that diamond, surely though?

That is exactly what I want. But I cant think how to instruct the outer AMs to drift wide? There is no PI to do this.

About the retain possession, i get your point. Just wanted to ask something else: doesn't removing Pass into Space reduce through balls? Is there any other way to play through balls instead of the Pass into space TI??

 

[WJ]

That is exactly what I want. But I cant think how to instruct the outer AMs to drift wide? There is no PI to do this.

Move Into Channels.

About the retain possession, i get your point. Just wanted to ask something else: doesn't removing Pass into Space reduce through balls? Is there any other way to play through balls instead of the Pass into space TI??

I'm not sure how to put this anymore.

What you had was : Each role's default setting + Risky Passes (Pass Into Space) - Risky Passes (Retain Possession = Each role's default setting

What you'll have after removing Pass Into Space and Retain Possession : Each role's default setting + Nothing - Nothing = Each role's default setting.

If you want more Risky Passes add them in the TIs or PIs?

 

[Cookie1]

I'm not sure how to put this anymore.

What you had was : Each role's default setting + Risky Passes (Pass Into Space) - Risky Passes (Retain Possession = Each role's default setting

What you'll have after removing Pass Into Space and Retain Possession : Each role's default setting + Nothing - Nothing = Each role's default setting.

If you want more Risky Passes add them in the TIs or PIs?

Got it. Thanks. Makes sense now. Sorry to trouble you so much with it.

About the tactic, I will see if it works. One last question: Do you think its better if i use three CAMs or its better if I move the Wide AMs deeper into the WM role??

 

[WJ]

It's your vision, in your head. I don't know what's 'better'.

I would try the 3 AMC version first though. It looks exactly like the image you posted. :S