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Ashley Cole left in 2006. In those 5 years, the price of wages has gone up immensely. The article is (fairly) well-argued, but eventually wrong.
You wouldnt of paid ashely 60k five years ago?
I think the article is very well written, makes a lot of sense, and picks up on some good points.
Like the one over north london Derbys. you can say, well utd have no lost Scholes and Neville, so there new players wont know the meaning like they used to, It the same way Arsenal Lost Keown, henry, Parlour Etc etc,
but Scholes and Neville are now coaches, and i bet they will still drill it into the newer players.
Not sure I'm up for an article defending Cashley Hole tbph.
His departure wasn't ******* justified. In a summer where people are criticising Nasri for wanting to be 'bigger than the club' (A term I find pretty ridiculous, since it seems most players think this nowadays), and holding the club to ransom, this guy defends Ashley Cole's departure - motivated almost entirely by money since by the time he left, we'd only gone 1/2 seasons without a trophy and got to a CL Final.
His departure wasn't ******* justified. In a summer where people are criticising Nasri for wanting to be 'bigger than the club' (A term I find pretty ridiculous, since it seems most players think this nowadays), and holding the club to ransom, this guy defends Ashley Cole's departure - motivated almost entirely by money since by the time he left, we'd only gone 1/2 seasons without a trophy and got to a CL Final.
If we properly read it Joss, It says Ashley cited reasons of how Arsenal has changed, and that he saw it going that way, from the Title winning side he was part of... And that Ashley could see Arsenal going years without a trophy, as it had many average players thinking they where good... And then it says Nasri is likely to feel the same, because if he was just moving for money, He would look into a side like City,
Maybe Ashley Cole saw more potential in Chelsea and lets face it, he turned out to have backed the right horse eventually
Players say a helluva lot of things. From the tapping-up to him clearly being motivated by Abramovich's gazillions - there's little room for sympathy in my eyes.
Cole left 2 years before City's billions came in, and I've not said Nasri is motivated entirely by money. City aren't actually interested in him it seems, and I think he has some sense - he knows he would end up like so many other players to be paid millions and end up moving on loan to Besiktas or something.
Maybe. Or maybe he's just a ****. Either way - I couldn't really care less whether he's "backed the right horse" or not. He left in a year of promise for Arsenal - we'd got into a CL final and came within 20 minutes and some bad refereeing decisions of winning it against one of the best teams in the world at that point, and now.
Players say a helluva lot of things. From the tapping-up to him clearly being motivated by Abramovich's gazillions - there's little room for sympathy in my eyes.
Cole left 2 years before City's billions came in, and I've not said Nasri is motivated entirely by money. City aren't actually interested in him it seems, and I think he has some sense - he knows he would end up like so many other players to be paid millions and end up moving on loan to Besiktas or something.
I never said Cole would of gone to City, I was saying, Nasri has apparently asked a third party to see if Utds interest is real, he could of asked them to contact City, but the Fact he picked Utd, shows he wants more then Money,
on another note this has the 2nd highest posts out of chelsea and united!!
and how long was the chelsea one here before arsenal got there's
You have Joss, it's not fair to the other guys.
Players say a helluva lot of things. From the tapping-up to him clearly being motivated by Abramovich's gazillions - there's little room for sympathy in my eyes.
Cole left 2 years before City's billions came in, and I've not said Nasri is motivated entirely by money. City aren't actually interested in him it seems, and I think he has some sense - he knows he would end up like so many other players to be paid millions and end up moving on loan to Besiktas or something.
Maybe. Or maybe he's just a ****. Either way - I couldn't really care less whether he's "backed the right horse" or not. He left in a year of promise for Arsenal - we'd got into a CL final and came within 20 minutes and some bad refereeing decisions of winning it against one of the best teams in the world at that point, and now.
Hardly a year of promise eh considering your rotten luck after that season in basically every competition and it does not matter whether u came within 20 minutes or 1 minute to winning the CL, we were just a penalty away from winning it and we should have beaten the best side in the world atleast 3 times if not for bad refereeing decisions all in the CL so u hardly have reason to moan if ur talking about the CL to a Chelsea fan
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on another note this has the 2nd highest posts out of chelsea and united!!
and how long was the chelsea one here before arsenal got there's
I suppose u also took into consideration the amount of Chelsea Fans and Arsenal fans on this site plus u must consider that since u buy a young gooner every other week u probably have alot more to discuss
But that's because United's interest has been well-reported in the press. City's hasn't. At all.
You're comparing the two of them and suggesting Cole may have wanted more than just money like Nasri probably does (Hence the suggestions that he's waiting to see what business Wenger does this summer) when in fact, Arsenal's season just gone and the squad they had suggested that we were perfectly capable of winning things. Abramovich's money talked.
capable of winning things which they..... did not and Cole felt ur squad was moving downhill while we were moving uphill so its hardly ur opinion on whether ur squad is capable of winning things, is'nt that what u say every season i suppose
Hardly a year of promise eh considering your rotten luck after that season in basically every competition and it does not matter whether u came within 20 minutes or 1 minute to winning the CL, we were just a penalty away from winning it and we should have beaten the best side in the world atleast 3 times if not for bad refereeing decisions all in the CL so u hardly have reason to moan if ur talking about the CL to a Chelsea fan
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I suppose u also took into consideration the amount of Chelsea Fans and Arsenal fans on this site plus u must consider that since u buy a young gooner every other week u probably have alot more to discuss
I'm not 'moaning' at all. I'm saying that we were very close to winning the CL the same year Cashley left, so I don't buy him saying we didn't have any promise. We didn't do well in the League, but that's not to say we had a REALLY bad season. We got to the CC Final with our young guns and again, almost won it.
As the Article states, Cole saw a chance in arsenals mentality, hence him citing senderos ignoring keown in training, as how things have changed, could you imagine a young kid ignoring a club legend happening at Utd.
maybe he did not see potential in Arsenal''s squad to do better and lets face it, at the same time there was much more potential present in Chelsea's squad than Arsenal's squad so maybe he left because he saw more ability in Chelsea compared to Arsenal
What's anything I say this season or other more recent ones got to do with one? We haven't done anything particularly impressive in recent seasons, we did in that one.
Of course Chelsea's squad was getting better. I wonder why that was... Nothing at all to do with Abramovich's billions attracting over-priced players on huge salaries, of course. That's why, as stated in the article, he left because Wenger wouldn't give into his financial demands.
Our squad was hardly going down-hill either: Henry, van Persie, Adebayor, Fabregas, Flamini, Gilberto, Rosicky.
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Jesus almighty. Are we really going to believe Ashley Cole's statements about money not being a motivating factor? Of course it ******* well was.
I'm pretty sure you would not complain if Roman had decided to buy u instead of Chelsea, either way all the players who have huge salaries justify them well when u consider that we lost the core of our team to injuries and we recovered really well to nearly win the league while u guys self-combusted as usual... thats why we regard a season where we finish 2nd as a disappointment and are not content with classifying 'Top 4' finishes every season as success
So i honestly could not care how much our players are on, its Romans money not mine and being the immensely successful businessman that he is, he surely has enough plans figured out to avoid Chelsea being incriminated by the Financial Fair Play Rules
I'm pretty sure you would not complain if Roman had decided to buy u instead of Chelsea, either way all the players who have huge salaries justify them well when u consider that we lost the core of our team to injuries and we recovered really well to nearly win the league while u guys self-combusted as usual... thats why we regard a season where we finish 2nd as a disappointment and are not content with classifying 'Top 4' finishes every season as success
So i honestly could not care how much our players are on, its Romans money not mine and being the immensely successful businessman that he is, he surely has enough plans figured out to avoid Chelsea being incriminated by the Financial Fair Play Rules
I'm not making a point that I disagree with Roman's spending spree. Whether I do or not is completely irrelevant to the fact Ashley Cole was blatantly attracted by the financial rewards of a move to Chelsea. This isn't about whether or not Chelsea have done well in the past 6 years - I said I couldn't give a toss if Ashley Cole's move worked well for him in terms of winning things. At the time, he wanted money. And lots of it.