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Wow, really? That's a shock to me.
Wow. About £21m then (wrote £12m at first - if only!) but the deal in total will be more like £30m from our budget because our rumoured budget of £50m (via Swiss Ramble) also includes things like wages (1st year), bonuses, agent fees, etc.
But great signing if we get him. Ecstatic that we're even bidding tbph, although being a realist it does mean one or both of Nasri and Cesc will go, which is a pity however much I understand Cesc's motives and think Nasri's been a ****.
They just interviewed Graham Hunter. Arsenal and Tottenham have met his release clause of 25M Euros.
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IMO, I think Nasri has all but gone. Perhaps have delayed the announcement so that prices are not inflated. 25M Euros is around £21.5M which is about the fee we will get for Nasri IMO.
Wengers hand wasnt forced, he had been tracking him all season like the 5 other clubs, he even admitted he wanted a player like that
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Not sure how Nasri is being a ****, wont get much more money from us, and will get arguably a better title challenge, and gets to play through the middle which is his desired position, and the way it was handled suggests he wants to go to United. Nothing wrong with wanting a change of scenery.
I mean it was forced in terms of timing, and price. He, like SAF, didn't want to sign him this summer. Long-term target, forced through early because of the noise coming from Liverpool.
And Nasri's being a massive ****. Asking for money he doesn't deserve is one thing, saying he's not happy with his side because they're not winning trophies and can't go a whole season is another; if he'd played well until May and we still lost the league - fine. Did he? Did he ****. He played well until December, and like the rest of the team, he began thinking about his holidays in abut February.
Don't moan about your club not winning things if you're not exactly helping their cause. Great player, and I'll be sad not to see him in an Arsenal shirt because of that, but his attitude this summer is making it less and less difficult for me to see him go. Not happy about selling to Utd, though - Wenger perfectly entitled to force you/City to pay big money if you really want him.
Original excitement now very much faded since I see that the release clause only applies to Spanish clubs... It's a Spanish law, so Valencia don't want to sell him, but they have to if a Spanish club comes along. Doubt they'll accept that - will be joyous if they do. We're getting the better player too if he's a replacement for Nasri.
Hold up, he didnt whinge about the club at all. And he has 1 year left, this is the only time he can negotiate his contract. In fact he hasnt tried to force anything, hasnt requested a transfer, hasnt bad mouthed the players or anything. but you make him out to be a villain just because he wants to leave and try something else, when actually he has been pretty good with the way he has handled it
Understandable you dont like a player leaving your club, who does? but lets not twist it on him
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What? He openly came out before he even entered negotiations with the club and said he was open to a move to one of our biggest rivals, since then - he's demanded (apparently) upwards of 110k/week and then said he wasn't happy at Arsenal because we weren't winning trophies and attempted to convince those naive enough to believe him that he wasn't haggling for more money.
As I said - if he had an outstanding season and played consistently well throughout, then I'd be sad he was leaving but I would be in full support of Wenger paying him the extra 20k/week, and would understand his motivation. As it is, he had a poor 2nd half of the season. He played well for about 4 months, and then did sweet FA. Coming out and saying he wants to win trophies and doesn't think he'll do that at Arsenal is ridiculous when he hasn't played all that well since 2008.
And I'm more ****** off that he wants to join Utd - our biggest rivals bar Tottenham - than him wanting to leave in general.
We're clearly not going to agree, though. You can believe what he says, or you can believe what everyone else is telling us: that he's motivated by money and wants to go to Utd.
Considering you've twisted what he said, Of course we wont, and who is this "everyone"? Funny how we decide not to believe a player when we dont want to, despite not having anything concrete to dismiss what he says. Of course he will try and get a better deal, only a fool doesnt with one year left.
"We already earn huge wages," the wing wizard said.
"The priority is to make a big career and to win titles ... With no titles under your belt, you can't be in the list for the Ballon D'Or.
"I came to England to get trophies because I haven't won anything in my career. I am hungry for titles. I play football because I love this sport and want to feel the emotion of winning.
" Lifting a trophy all together, this is the beauty and sense of team sports."
Has a better chance at that with United in all fairness, doesnt make him a ****, just because he wants to leave.
To add to that
I dont see anything wrong with that. Yes he will get a better contract and also he wants to play rather than sit on the bench. Also win titles.
Not every player will wait with forever to win a trophy when their career is too short..
I dont see anything wrong with that. Yes he will get a better contract and also he wants to play rather than sit on the bench. Also win titles.
Not every player will wait with forever to win a trophy when their career is too short..
The point is that he says that without putting in a shift for the whole season for Arsenal. He's hardly entitled to be unhappy with the lack of trophies if he hasn't helped us do that on a consistent basis. He can't just expect us to deliver a trophy on a plate for him if he doesn't help the team do that.
At Utd - no one had a dreadful season, at least - no first team starters. You have that "winning mentality" which means you play for 90 minutes etc etc. but the whole team does that. If Nasri had been the one player at Arsenal who played well from August - May without collapsing in February, I would absolutely accept what he's saying. But he didn't. That's my point - he was pretty poor from 2008-10 and then this year played well for half a season.
There's getting a better deal and there's asking to be paid the same as our captain because you've played well for 4 months.
And do you really believe he isn't motivated by money at all? You don't think there's a slight chance that he's saying that in an attempt to avoid getting stick from Arsenal fans who feel he's greedy? (An attempt which has massively backfired).
As I said; we're not going to agree so let's just leave it there.
Supporting Arsenal can't be good for your health Joss. Everything winds you up so easily. 
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Not like Nasri could have carried the team to a trophy anyway. He was unfit for the Barca game IIRC and he couldn't have impacted on it with the way they played anyway. The league cup, I think there were bigger issues that made you lose that than Nasri. Nasri wasn't bad in the FA cup at all IIRC, and it's not like he could have carried you to the league with your sieve of a defence at the back.
Pretty naive to blame it all on Nasri just because he wants to leave isn't it? Do you think we'd have blamed Rooney's form in the first half of the season if we'd lost the title? Does Evra not deserve to win any trophies for a relatively poor season and poor performance against Barca? It's a team game. You have a really horrible strawman argument and you just come across as bitter about the whole situation, which is understandable.
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Not like Nasri could have carried the team to a trophy anyway. He was unfit for the Barca game IIRC and he couldn't have impacted on it with the way they played anyway. The league cup, I think there were bigger issues that made you lose that than Nasri. Nasri wasn't bad in the FA cup at all IIRC, and it's not like he could have carried you to the league with your sieve of a defence at the back.
Pretty naive to blame it all on Nasri just because he wants to leave isn't it? Do you think we'd have blamed Rooney's form in the first half of the season if we'd lost the title? Does Evra not deserve to win any trophies for a relatively poor season and poor performance against Barca? It's a team game. You have a really horrible strawman argument and you just come across as bitter about the whole situation, which is understandable.
Supporting Arsenal can't be good for your health Joss. Everything winds you up so easily.
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Not like Nasri could have carried the team to a trophy anyway. He was unfit for the Barca game IIRC and he couldn't have impacted on it with the way they played anyway. The league cup, I think there were bigger issues that made you lose that than Nasri. Nasri wasn't bad in the FA cup at all IIRC, and it's not like he could have carried you to the league with your sieve of a defence at the back.
Pretty naive to blame it all on Nasri just because he wants to leave isn't it? Do you think we'd have blamed Rooney's form in the first half of the season if we'd lost the title? Does Evra not deserve to win any trophies for a relatively poor season and poor performance against Barca? It's a team game. You have a really horrible strawman argument and you just come across as bitter about the whole situation, which is understandable.
I'm not blaming it all on Nasri. Read my posts again. I'm saying if he'd performed well throughout the season rather than collapsing like the rest of them and thinking about his holidays from mid-Feb than a) we would have had a better chance at a trophy and b) I would completely understand his frustration. Instead, he comes to England, takes two years to "adapt" properly, and then plays well for 3 months. IMO - he isn't entitled to complain about the lack of trophies when he's hardly done all he can to help win them.
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Oh - and it's not good for my health at all. But I'm not wound up! Just making my point that I don't appreciate the way Nasri - compared to Cesc for example - has approached this.
FINAL THING!
Dein = Bad. His son is SUCH a ****.
But no matter what Nasri had done, you wouldn't have won any trophies. Can you honestly say if Inter, Chelsea and United were interested in you, you wouldn't be interested in joining for the trophies? Are Phil Jones, Ashley Young etc. not allowed to say "I want to leave for the trophies" for not turning Blackburn and Villa respectively into trophy winners? You're completely missing the (more worrying) point that players are beginning to see you as a club that won't get them trophies. This is the fundamental thing in this whole thing with Nasri, you can't paint over it. The fact he "only played well" for 4 months is irrelevant. He has 1 year left on his contract, and, assuming Arsenal still want him, it makes perfect economic sense to demand better terms. Look at Rooney, he got handed a new deal in the lowest form of his career. Clubs want him because of what he can do, not because of those 4 months, they're just proof of the talent being there.
No - Well in a way, yes. He has a release clause in his contract of 21M Euros to Spanish teams which he will then be able do discuss. He has a release clause to foreign clubs at 25M Euros. if this 25M is met, they have to either let him speak to the club or give him a better contract.
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Apparantly 35M Euros + Maxwell is the current deal for Fabregas. No thanks.
Where'd you read that? (Mata)
Apparently Wenger isn't interested in Maxwell (so I should ****** well hope!)
Graham Hunter and somebody else. On Twitter, but y'know. It's 25M Euros because of the taxes that foreign clubs have to pay rather than Spanish clubs, I believe. I may be wrong, though.
Agreed, Maxwell is atrocious.
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I know it's only the Mail. But I did say this.
Samir Nasri move on hold as Arsenal fight for Juan Mata | Mail Online
Graham Hunter and somebody else. On Twitter, but y'know. It's 25M Euros because of the taxes that foreign clubs have to pay rather than Spanish clubs, I believe. I may be wrong, though.
Agreed, Maxwell is atrocious.
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I know it's only the Mail. But I did say this.
Samir Nasri move on hold as Arsenal fight for Juan Mata | Mail Online
Interesting didnt know that he had that second clause, I assume thats why Wenger wants 25M
I also didn't know that there was a clause that would do that, allow for an increased wage offer. Whether it's true or not is another matter, although It seems to all fit together, as you say, why Wenger might be holding out for a little over £20M.