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Not really. Maybe short-term if he goes this season, because I feel that Ramsey may need to be slowly brought back into the team after his injury and not just thrown in at the deep-end to see if his fitness etc. can handle it and so may only be able to fill the 'Cesc role' that he's clearly signed to do in the long-term. (from minute one we could see he was Cesc's natural replacement if he fulfilled his potential).

But in the long-term, if a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 is best suited to a player like Cesc Fabregas (I believe it is, but saying he's actually UNABLE to play in a 4-4-2 is just ridiculous) then clearly we need to keep that up in the long-term in order to have both Wilshere and Ramsey playing alongside each other, rather than having to take turns.



I couldn't help it. Such a terrible article and why on earth is he writing it anyway? If his contacts are so ****** good why didn't he do his research properly? It's all there in the public domain ffs. It took me 10 minutes to check his goals/assists/apps tally on ESPN and add it all up.

The Guardian published 8 articles in the last week on Fabregas ffs. They seem to be as much under pressure to get stuff out as the ****** NOTW journos.

I had to put it up. It' depressing when you realise you can write a better article than a paid journalist. But the vague point of his article is valid. The departure of Fabregas shouldnt be seen as a loss. Ramsey strikes me as been more capable at both MC and AMC than Fabregas (in terms of positional adaptability) and the right signings could give Arsenal more tactical fluidity. The fact you have a "Cesc" role shows a bit of tactical rigidity in that you have to have a player like that to function at the best level. I think being able to switch to "4-4-2" again when needed would benefit them
 
I had to put it up. It' depressing when you realise you can write a better article than a paid journalist. But the vague point of his article is valid. The departure of Fabregas shouldnt be seen as a loss. Ramsey strikes me as been more capable at both MC and AMC than Fabregas (in terms of positional adaptability) and the right signings could give Arsenal more tactical fluidity. The fact you have a "Cesc" role shows a bit of tactical rigidity in that you have to have a player like that to function at the best level. I think being able to switch to "4-4-2" again when needed would benefit them

Ha. Yeah, as I said - I agree with the jist of the article, and the title, but he gets the right conclusion for the wrong reasons.

I'm not sure we're tactically "rigid", the tactics could - of course - be adapted slightly to make a transition to 4-4-2/4-2-4 more natural than it currently is. We have several players who can play the 'Cesc role', though. RvP can drop back slightly as we saw against Fulham and that turns the formation into a hybrid 4-2-4, but then I think the main problem with that isn't Cesc's absence from the side, but the presence of Chamakh. He's clearly not a traditional target-man, but neither is he as quick/skilful as Eduardo or as athletic as Adebayor. Benzema could be the perfect player to fill that gap if 4-4-2 was considered a serious option by Wenger.
 
Ha. Yeah, as I said - I agree with the jist of the article, and the title, but he gets the right conclusion for the wrong reasons.

I'm not sure we're tactically "rigid", the tactics could - of course - be adapted slightly to make a transition to 4-4-2/4-2-4 more natural than it currently is. We have several players who can play the 'Cesc role', though. RvP can drop back slightly as we saw against Fulham and that turns the formation into a hybrid 4-2-4, but then I think the main problem with that isn't Cesc's absence from the side, but the presence of Chamakh. He's clearly not a traditional target-man, but neither is he as quick/skilful as Eduardo or as athletic as Adebayor. Benzema could be the perfect player to fill that gap if 4-4-2 was considered a serious option by Wenger.

Here is where Mata could make the difference, as he could provide a genuine crossing outlet when needed, as well as his "inside" passing. I really think he should be a key signing the more i think about it
 
Here is where Mata could make the difference, as he could provide a genuine crossing outlet when needed, as well as his "inside" passing. I really think he should be a key signing the more i think about it

Absolutely agree, and I've said this before. The versatility he brings means he could be a key signing next season, if not this. (Bearing in mind, as we Arsenal fans have to, that any deal now would likely take at least £30m out of our budget when we factor in wages and we have more pressing issues right now than a brand spanking new playmaker unless Fabregas leaves)

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Thunderlolz.

Someone on The Guardian's website essentially saying Eduardo was over-rated in his first season after I put forward the suggestion that without Eduardo's injury, we may well have won the League that season and Fabregas would have had more assists.

Ah trolls. Love/hate breed.
 
Seriously getting really old the Barca players continuing to have stuff to say.

If your so desperate to have him tell you club to pull their finger out and make a proper bid.
 

bah **** heads. pay the right amount or seriously GTFO !!!!!

barca, stop complaining about wenger getting ur younsters . we signed them the right way, and paid proper compensation for both.

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Seriously getting really old the Barca players continuing to have stuff to say.

If your so desperate to have him tell you club to pull their finger out and make a proper bid.

making a bid of monthly installment is ******* (literalty) stupid on someone like a real good player. cant barca do anything better
 
Is there a club more tailor-made to **** off Joss? ;)

That said, it's pretty classless. "We have always said what we think of him [Fabregas]. If he comes he will help us to make the step up in quality," - more or less admitting to tapping up.

Mmm. Sp*rs? And just because if you were wondering.

Anyhoo:

Wenger tells presser Cesc will stay, as will Nasri (unknown about contract renewal) and Gervinho's signed.

(aeroberg via YankeeGunner)

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Mmm. Sp*rs? And just because if you were wondering.

Anyhoo:

Wenger tells presser Cesc will stay, as will Nasri (unknown about contract renewal) and Gervinho's signed.

(aeroberg via YankeeGunner)

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I very much doubt about Nasri. Fabregas saga has cooled down a little but I dont think Nasri will be staying.
 
I very much doubt about Nasri. Fabregas saga has cooled down a little but I dont think Nasri will be staying.

I think he will somehow. It's all well and good your agent saying X, Y and Z when you are on holiday. But it's a little but tough when you are in front of Wenger himself..
 
I think he will somehow. It's all well and good your agent saying X, Y and Z when you are on holiday. But it's a little but tough when you are in front of Wenger himself..

May be. I wont be surprised if he sign a new contract too.. But IMO chances are less. Will Nasri get parity with Cesc? Well I'm sure he dont deserve that.

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Mmm. Sp*rs? And just because if you were wondering.

Anyhoo:

Wenger tells presser Cesc will stay, as will Nasri (unknown about contract renewal) and Gervinho's signed.

(aeroberg via YankeeGunner)

But, after arriving in Malaysia for the Gunners' pre-season tour of the Far East, Wenger confirmed he expects Fabregas and Nasri to be part of his plans for the coming campaign.

"Yes, why not?" said Wenger on Sky Sports News when asked about the prospects of Nasri and Fabregas staying.

"You asked me two different questions. One, will he (Nasri) be at the club next season? I say yes.

"The second part, will he sign a new contract? I hope yes, but I'm not the only one who decides that.

"Cesc loves the club. We know the story from Barcelona goes on for years now, but hopefully we will be able to close that for ourselves to focus on the season, hopefully with Cesc Fabregas."

Sky filtered and published as they wish (Itseems)..
 
May be. I wont be surprised if he sign a new contract too.. But IMO chances are less. Will Nasri get parity with Cesc? Well I'm sure he dont deserve that.

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Sky filtered and published as they wish (Itseems)..

No, that's what he said. Confirms well-known belief that he's willing to let Fabregas go if he receives an acceptable offer (likely to be in excess of £40m and I don't think he'll accept this add-on/swap deal bull-****).

Firm stance on Nasri, so he's staying unless someone bids £25m - which they won't, unless they're retarded. He may run down his contract, but I don't mind this approach from us tbh. We'll offer him a new deal this summer, and probably again during the season some time. If he's committed to leaving, he can. But not yet.

Also - Gervinho deal confirmed by Wenger (but not announced by website staff), so without further ado, our article which we've had up as a draft since mid-June:

Arrival number one: Arsenal sign Gervinho from Lille for £10.8m | Arsenal Report

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Calum is going to go ape-****.

Wenger hints that we won't sign a replacement for Clichy. Disappointed at that tbh - he expects Gibbs and Traore to have a consistent, injury-free season and for Vermaelen to provide emergency cover. Fine with Gibbs being given a chance, but I don't think Traore is going to make the step up from 3rd choice/Reserve LB to PL quality.

Hopefully that means we'll move our attentions to CB, though.

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Official announcement: Gervinho agrees deal to join Arsenal | News Archive | News | Arsenal.com
 
No, that's what he said. Confirms well-known belief that he's willing to let Fabregas go if he receives an acceptable offer (likely to be in excess of £40m and I don't think he'll accept this add-on/swap deal bull-****).

Firm stance on Nasri, so he's staying unless someone bids £25m - which they won't, unless they're retarded. He may run down his contract, but I don't mind this approach from us tbh. We'll offer him a new deal this summer, and probably again during the season some time. If he's committed to leaving, he can. But not yet.

Also - Gervinho deal confirmed by Wenger (but not announced by website staff), so without further ado, our article which we've had up as a draft since mid-June:

Arrival number one: Arsenal sign Gervinho from Lille for £10.8m | Arsenal Report

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Wenger may want to let Nasri go on free next season but will the board allow him to do that? It would be absolutely madness to throw 20 Million in gutter. Wenger has said this many times before letting player go. I wont read much into this, he wont come out and say player wants to leave..
 
Wenger may want to let Nasri go on free next season but will the board allow him to do that? It would be absolutely madness to throw 20 Million in gutter. Wenger has said this many times before letting player go. I wont read much into this, he wont come out and say player wants to leave..

I think he's just confident that he'll get him to back-track and sign a new deal. May involve him being sold next season, but at a significant price. Expect a valuation of around £25-30m for him if he signs a new contract and has a good season, and Utd won't wait around. They want him now, or they'll look elsewhere. Chelsea want Modric. City? They're always interested in a player of Nasri's quality but I'm not sure that's his preferred destination.
 
I think he's just confident that he'll get him to back-track and sign a new deal. May involve him being sold next season, but at a significant price. Expect a valuation of around £25-30m for him if he signs a new contract and has a good season, and Utd won't wait around. They want him now, or they'll look elsewhere. Chelsea want Modric. City? They're always interested in a player of Nasri's quality but I'm not sure that's his preferred destination.

You are thinking from Arsenal POV. Why will Nasri sign a contract when he can walk on free and join any team of his wish for **** load signing on fee?

If he signs a contract its for long term, no doubt about that..
 
I think he's just confident that he'll get him to back-track and sign a new deal. May involve him being sold next season, but at a significant price. Expect a valuation of around £25-30m for him if he signs a new contract and has a good season, and Utd won't wait around. They want him now, or they'll look elsewhere. Chelsea want Modric. City? They're always interested in a player of Nasri's quality but I'm not sure that's his preferred destination.


might as well let him go if he does not want to sign a new contract, right now Nasri is really in the driving seat on whether he wants to stay at Arsenal or not, he can just threaten to leave next summer where he can go for free and you guys will lost a lot of money which I am sure Wenger and his famed self-sustainable model ;) do not want... I think he will move this season but tbh I do not want him, would rather take Modric who apparently wants to come to us and says moving to Chelsea will be a 'dream' come true

So Man Utd or Man City probs
 
You are thinking from Arsenal POV. Why will Nasri sign a contract when he can walk on free and join any team of his wish for **** load signing on fee?

If he signs a contract its for long term, no doubt about that..

I'm not saying what I think will happen, so I'm not looking from an Arsenal POV at all. I expected us to sell him, but if this is Wenger's stance then I expect he's confident Nasri will re-sign. It's a big risk, and I'm not sure we can flog him in January if needs be.

All I'm saying is that there's a possibility that Wenger will have a "gentleman's agreement" with Nasri to sell him next summer if he re-signs. Value goes up, Nasri doesn't look like such a massive ****. Everyone's happy. But even then Wenger may be banking on Arsenal winning something and Nasri changing his mind about the agreement.

I don't really know tbh - don't think anyone does. It's all still speculation.

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might as well let him go if he does not want to sign a new contract, right now Nasri is really in the driving seat on whether he wants to stay at Arsenal or not, he can just threaten to leave next summer where he can go for free and you guys will lost a lot of money which I am sure Wenger and his famed self-sustainable model ;) do not want... I think he will move this season but tbh I do not want him, would rather take Modric who apparently wants to come to us and says moving to Chelsea will be a 'dream' come true

So Man Utd or Man City probs

Thing is - Man City are the only side [in England] that may still be interested next season. If they don't get him this season, both Utd and Chelsea have other targets - Modric/Sneijder. They'll push the boat out for them if they can't get Nasri this season, so Nasri may find it difficult to leave next season if he's wanting to run his contract down.
 
I'm not saying what I think will happen, so I'm not looking from an Arsenal POV at all. I expected us to sell him, but if this is Wenger's stance then I expect he's confident Nasri will re-sign. It's a big risk, and I'm not sure we can flog him in January if needs be.

All I'm saying is that there's a possibility that Wenger will have a "gentleman's agreement" with Nasri to sell him next summer if he re-signs. Value goes up, Nasri doesn't look like such a massive ****. Everyone's happy. But even then Wenger may be banking on Arsenal winning something and Nasri changing his mind about the agreement.

I don't really know tbh - don't think anyone does. It's all still speculation..

Yes but why will Nasri sign a contract so that Wenger can sell him next season? He can talk to any team next season if he dont sign one..

Yes its all speculation. If Wenger is confident then it is worth a risk but its a big risk IMO..

Edit: Nasri is a massive know Joss ;)
 
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