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Joss said:
OK - so as partly reported by various people in bits and pieces today, Barca have revealed the details of the transfer and Cesc's part in it.

1. €29m up-front fee - half now, half in September.

2. €1m/year pay-cut taken by Cesc which will be used to pay Arsenal another €5m over the next 5 years.

3. If Fabregas wins at least two league titles and one Champions League title, Arsenal receives a total of €5m (€2m per league title and €1m for the CL title)

4. In total, the minimum fee Arsenal will receive is €34m, and the maximum is €39m (£34m).

5. There's a 50% sell-on clause it seems, along with Arsenal having the first option to buy him back (2nd bit is confirmed, not sure about 1st)
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permission to post on arsenal forum?
 
Calum said:
permission to post on arsenal forum?
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Lmao - you don't need permission to re-post my stuff! Just if it's particularly brilliant/witty, give credit where due ;)

Anyhoo

LittleDutchVA Tim Stillman



Cracking win for the reserves tonight, United had a midfield two of Gibson & Flecther, whilst Traore and Afobe went off inside 20 minutes.

(The reserves been Utd 2-1 at Underhill, with Aneke and Watt scoring either side of Mame Biram Diouf)
 
Joss said:
OK - so as partly reported by various people in bits and pieces today, Barca have revealed the details of the transfer and Cesc's part in it.

1. €29m up-front fee - half now, half in September.

2. €1m/year pay-cut taken by Cesc which will be used to pay Arsenal another €5m over the next 5 years.

3. If Fabregas wins at least two league titles and one Champions League title, Arsenal receives a total of €5m (€2m per league title and €1m for the CL title)

4. In total, the minimum fee Arsenal will receive is €34m, and the maximum is €39m (£34m).

5. There's a 50% sell-on clause it seems, along with Arsenal having the first option to buy him back (2nd bit is confirmed, not sure about 1st)
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this part is amazing. LOL. wish this type of clause is available in FM 12 hahah
 
YoungGunsBlog Jamie Sanderson



Papers saying as part of the Cesc deal, Barça have waived the compensation Arsenal owed for Héctor Bellerín and Jon Toral.
 
Great read and opinion.

A final few words on Cesc Fàbregas | Gooner Talk

After years of coveting, and consequently tapping up, our captain and best player, Barcelona finally have their man. The 15th of August 2011 will live long in the memory; it is undoubtedly one of those moments where people will remember where they were and what they were doing when they found out about it. Once Cesc passed the medical and signed on the dotted line there was almost an audible collective sigh of relief from people affected by this transfer. Supporters of the respective teams, journalists and general football lovers can now all move on. A transfer saga, completely unparalleled (both in duration and relentlessness) in the history of modern football, has finally come to its inevitable happy conclusion. But for me – and I suspect I’m far from alone here – there was an overwhelming and slightly surreal feeling of sadness. Even though we all knew it would happen I couldn’t help but feel devastated. Like a dear friend had moved away, never to return.


However, I’ll always remember him fondly and treasure the memories I have of him; his goals against Spurs, his inspiring performance away at Stoke after Aaron had his leg broken (those who say he wasn’t a good captain – take a look at that game one more time), the winner in the San Siro and the general quality of his play. Match after match, year after year. It’s been a privilege to watch him and I’m thankful for every one of his 303 appearances in an Arsenal shirt.
Sure, it’s hard to take that he’s now a part of our (largely unsuccessful) past, but I don’t begrudge him this move. We all know where he’s from, who he supported as a young boy and who the current best team in the world is. The answer to those three questions is Barcelona. Nevertheless, I think he’s behaved impeccably throughout this ordeal, because it could’ve been easy for him to submit a formal transfer request (Torres, Rooney, Tevez) and further complicate things for Arsenal by moaning. But he did none of this. His comments on Arsenal upon being unveiled as a Barcelona player simply highlighted the class he has. He loves Arsenal, our fans and our manager. I really do wish him well. I had to overlook the fact that I despise Barcelona enough to have made a voodoo doll of Busquets that I occasionally like to run over with a lawn mower in order to do it, but I wish him well. I hope you do too. The man deserves it.


Disturbing and slightly morbid pseudo-witchcraft aside, we’re now left with a gifted and talented team with a massive, gaping Cesc-shaped hole in the middle of it. He was more than just a good man, he was an exceptional footballer too. Stats show that Cesc has made the most assists in the top 5 European leagues over the last 5 seasons. More than Xavi, Iniesta or any of those pass virtuosos he is often compared to. If you keep in mind that he’s missed many games, arguably plays in a weaker team but in a stronger league and that he was a teenager 5 seasons ago it’s all the more astonishing. He creates by far the most goal scoring chances and to many outsiders he’s the symbol of our club. Our win percentage without him is half of what it is compared to when he plays. He’s the genius our side is built around; the very embodiment of Arsène Wengers project and philosophy. We cannot possibly buy a player to replace him.


So, we now find ourself pondering the question; How do you replace Fàbregas? Can we manage it? Of course we can. Many big players have left us – after 125 glorious years of history you’re bound to have a few examples – and yet we always move on. Brady, Overmars, Vieira, Henry. Nobody is bigger than Arsenal. When a team becomes too dependant on a single player it can inhibit the rest of the team, and they only reach their potential once that one outstanding individual departs. Manchester United replaced Ronaldo without buying a like for like replacement – the rest of the team upped their game and contributed with goals. Something similar happened to Arsenal when Henry left. Adebayor and Fàbregas, among others, stepped up then, and now I feel that we have the players to replace Cesc without paying exorbitant fees for a star player.


There will be no prizes for guessing who those aforementioned players are. Those players are Aaron Ramsey and Jack Wilshere. Ramsey will improve the more he plays and Wilshere, given his tender years, will too – scarily enough. I think Wenger will eventually succumb to the cries of the masses and buy a player. We are a bit short in midfield, and for a supposedly creative team we do lack incisive passers. Cesc shouldered a disproportionate amount of the creative burden. But it’s of vital importance to nurture and develop those two and unleash them on the Premiership this season. They have the potential to not only form an outstanding partnership in midfield, but also, individually, become genuine world class players. They’re our future now and, I have to say, I can’t wait to experience it.

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Joss said:
5. There's a 50% sell-on clause it seems, along with Arsenal having the first option to buy him back (2nd bit is confirmed, not sure about 1st)
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So if that is true and we were to buy him back, we would only have to pay of the agreed fee I assume.
 
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philly said:
So if that is true, if we were to buy him back, we would only have to pay of the agreed fee I assume.
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yes. the mirror confimims it i think.

IF cesc IS sold (*doubt that will ever happen. would see him retire at barca), then arsenal get 50% of that fee sold to another club oO)
then next one is the buy back price.

anyway, has anyone tried this Quiz?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/quiz/2011/aug/16/quiz-arsenal-joel-campbell


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A Tribute. Hail!!!!

[video=youtube;U78pdMqP5SY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U78pdMqP5SY&list=FLqzt_UcjfuZM&index=1[/video]
 
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Eboue to Galatasaray is a done deal itseems. Posted video in "Confirmed transfers thread".

I like him. He was decent, not Arsenal standard player, but his on field antics were too good. The way he was nodding his head when Korean (?) manager was instrucing his player as if Eboue understood that was epic.

Still dont know why Wenger called him "Pass Master" though, maybe game just passed by him?
 
Lol_101 said:

anyway, has anyone tried this Quiz?
Tuesday's quiz: Arsenal's Joel Campbell | Football | guardian.co.uk
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You scored 10 out of a possible 10
Forget Zidane, Pelé or sliced bread with Maradona's face in it – you're the greatest thing going

guessed 2 tho. thats funny about the coach scoutin him kicking stuff

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Lol_101 said:

anyway, has anyone tried this Quiz?
Tuesday's quiz: Arsenal's Joel Campbell | Football | guardian.co.uk
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You scored 10 out of a possible 10
Forget Zidane, Pelé or sliced bread with Maradona's face in it – you're the greatest thing going

guessed 2 tho. thats funny about the coach scoutin him kicking stuff
 
The Guardian say that Barcelona have waived any sell-on/buy-back options for Toral and Bellerin as part of the Cesc deal, and that Fabregas has waived his £4m loyalty bonus so that Arsenal value the deal at almost £40m. (£38m max.).

Part one I'm not sure about - we signed them both when their contracts ran out. We owe them compensation which they might have waived, but they can't put a buy-back clause in a deal they actually have nothing to do with. We didn't pay them a fee of any kind to sign them..
 
Any news on who's going to succeed Fabregas as club captain?

I really hope it's Vermaelen. :P
 
Joss said:
The Guardian say that Barcelona have waived any sell-on/buy-back options for Toral and Bellerin as part of the Cesc deal, and that Fabregas has waived his £4m loyalty bonus so that Arsenal value the deal at almost £40m. (£38m max.).

Part one I'm not sure about - we signed them both when their contracts ran out. We owe them compensation which they might have waived, but they can't put a buy-back clause in a deal they actually have nothing to do with. We didn't pay them a fee of any kind to sign them..
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What they mean is that, as of now, they no longer have Barça DNA.
 
sunilvk7 said:
With Fabregas gone, Nasri, Diaby, Song, Gervinho all out for the next game, how do you think Arsenal will lineup against Liverpool?

Is Wilshere fit to play today?
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Not today. Hopefully he'll be fit for LFC.

Erm.

Szczesny

Sagna - Koscielny - Vermaelen - Gibbs

Frimpong - Wilshere/Ramsey/Rosicky

Walcott - Ramsey/Rosicky/RvP* - Arshavin

RvP/Chamakh/Bendtner**​

Difficult to tell, really. Ideally, I think it will be a Frimpong - Wilshere - Ramsey midfield trio, but he might go with Rosicky-Ramsey again (I hope not)...

*There's a small chance he'll do what we did against Fulham to an extent - drop RvP back and have someone like Ramsey (with a good passing range) behind him and Chamakh up front. It would be interesting at the very least ;)

** Bendtner is expected to be on the bench tonight. Odd turn-around since he clearly doesn't want to play for the club... I'm not so sure I want to keep him. He was hardly spectacular last season and if he isn't committed, don't play him IMO. Even if we do now need a striker (depending on how Afobe and Campbell do, I suppose)

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Robin van Persie has been confirmed as Arsenal's new captain.

The Dutch international has been at the Club since May 2004 and succeeds Cesc Fabregas, who left for Barcelona this week.

"Robin van Persie will be captain this season," Arsène Wenger told the Official Matchday Programme.

"He is a leader through the way he plays, through his attitude and through his desire to win.

"He’s been at the Club a long time and he’s a technical leader as well. Thomas Vermaelen will assist him, it’s the decision I have made and I’m confident the group will respond to it."
 
Good that RVP was made captain. He like Fabregas led the team from the front. Wilshere will be the future captain and Ramsey will assis him.. Thats a dream combo..

Joss, looks like that team is good enough to beat Liverpool.
Defense

Wilshere Frimpong

Walcott Ramsey/Risky Arshavin

RVP​
 
Sulsey said:
RVP is out for the first leg isn't he?
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He is. The team I posted is for LFC mate.

sunilvk7 said:
Good that RVP was made captain. He like Fabregas led the team from the front. Wilshere will be the future captain and Ramsey will assis him.. Thats a dream combo..

Joss, looks like that team is good enough to beat Liverpool.
Defense

Wilshere Frimpong

Walcott Ramsey/Risky Arshavin

RVP​
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Yeah I think so. MF the toughest. As much as I love Jack and Aaron, Ramsey needs to find his consistency post-injury (which I'm sure will come, just takes time to re-settle) and back-ups aren't brilliant. If we make 2/3 signings, I'd quite like to see a CM/AMC come in to be perfectly honest (along with a CB + poss. LB) but I don't see it. Partly because the future is so strong there.

Jack will 100% captain Arsenal one day IMO. Fabregas said he'll be England captain within 3 years too. Hopefully, but happily we have umpteen candidates for that.

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Also - very happy RvP is captain. I expect "leadership" will come out again, but I don't really give a ****. If Vermaelen is a "natural leader", he can be that even without a bit of elastic around his arm. Van Persie loves the club and has been with us for ages. Absolutely love him.
 
Respected Belgian outlet RTBF claim Arsenal will bid €20m for Eden Hazard
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L'Equipe say "Lille are expecting Arsenal to come in for Hazard".
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SkyGraemeBailey Graeme Bailey



Respected Belgian outlet RTBF claim Arsenal will bid €20m for Eden Hazard, Lille still look very unlikely to sell this month. #afc
 
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