The Chelsea Thread

[CJACKO11]

Indeed, but you can bet your bottom dollar that if he's good enough at the end of the year, Barca players will start the Cesc saga v2 - perhaps then you'll finally realise how annoying it is to be told every other week your player is on the verge of a move away. You act as if Romeu will (for no given reason) be different to Cesc, and won't be attracted by the prospect of a move back to the current (and probably for the short-term future) best team in the world.

Can't wait for Xavi to be distracted by something else for once. Although he'll have his hands full - what with Jeffren, Bojan, Cesc (quite possible he'll stay again now), Romeu, Bellerin, Toral all leaving the club.

But the difference is i dont care!!! Like i keep saying to you if Barca keep saying they want him back on a daily basis and he decides he wants to leave then he can simple as that. If the lad is happy playing for Chelsea and winning trophies (which Cesc hasen't been doing at Arsenal which makes this a different scenario) then maybe he will want to stay. Lets be honest Busquets will have to die or get a pretty bad injury for Romeu to even be considered as first team for Barca becuase he (Busquets) is so much younger unlike Xavi (which is why they want Cesc) so thats another reason this makes this and the Fabregas thing totally different.

But i will say again hopefully for the last time if the situation comes that the buy back clause has expired and Barca keep pestering him then i would expect him to say no im happy here. But if he is not 100% happy and wants the move back to Barca then aslong as they stump up the cash then i'll personly get a flying license myself and take him back there (if i got a cut of the deal because flying lessons arnt cheap).

But seriously stop bringing the Fabregas situation to light because you wont get no sympathy from me. If your club actually met its expectations over the last 6 years then maybe he will be abit happier and more determaned to stay and dismiss the storys.

 

[oja20]

But the difference is i dont care!!! Like i keep saying to you if Barca keep saying they want him back on a daily basis and he decides he wants to leave then he can simple as that. If the lad is happy playing for Chelsea and winning trophies (which Cesc hasen't been doing at Arsenal which makes this a different scenario) then maybe he will want to stay. Lets be honest Busquets will have to die or get a pretty bad injury for Romeu to even be considered as first team for Barca becuase he (Busquets) is so much younger unlike Xavi (which is why they want Cesc) so thats another reason this makes this and the Fabregas thing totally different.

But i will say again hopefully for the last time if the situation comes that the buy back clause has expired and Barca keep pestering him then i would expect him to say no im happy here. But if he is not 100% happy and wants the move back to Barca then aslong as they stump up the cash then i'll personly get a flying license myself and take him back there (if i got a cut of the deal because flying lessons arnt cheap).

But seriously stop bringing the Fabregas situation to light because you wont get no sympathy from me. If your club actually met its expectations over the last 6 years then maybe he will be abit happier and more determaned to stay and dismiss the storys.

I agree with this, if he wants to leave let him. No point keeping a player who doesn't want to be at the club.

 

[CJACKO11]

I agree with this, if he wants to leave let him. No point keeping a player who doesn't want to be at the club.

Exacly, only thing is because we said this people will always bring up the well Terry, Lampard and Drogba all wanted to leave did you want them to leave too bollocks. And i always say the same thing, of corse i would have been upset to see any of them leave but if a player wants out then good riddence.

 

[Joss]

But the difference is i dont care!!! Like i keep saying to you if Barca keep saying they want him back on a daily basis and he decides he wants to leave then he can simple as that. If the lad is happy playing for Chelsea and winning trophies (which Cesc hasen't been doing at Arsenal which makes this a different scenario) then maybe he will want to stay. Lets be honest Busquets will have to die or get a pretty bad injury for Romeu to even be considered as first team for Barca becuase he (Busquets) is so much younger unlike Xavi (which is why they want Cesc) so thats another reason this makes this and the Fabregas thing totally different.

But i will say again hopefully for the last time if the situation comes that the buy back clause has expired and Barca keep pestering him then i would expect him to say no im happy here. But if he is not 100% happy and wants the move back to Barca then aslong as they stump up the cash then i'll personly get a flying license myself and take him back there (if i got a cut of the deal because flying lessons arnt cheap).

But seriously stop bringing the Fabregas situation to light because you wont get no sympathy from me. If your club actually met its expectations over the last 6 years then maybe he will be abit happier and more determaned to stay and dismiss the storys.

It's really got ****-all to do with not winning trophies, or about replacing Xavi. It's about their arrogance and the fact that they are clearly reluctant to let any of their young players go unless - like Fabregas - they go on to be brilliant and Barca are made to look a little silly that they didn't prioritise their development.

The buy-back clause won't "expire". It's mandatory. In maximum 2 years, Barca will HAVE to make a €15m offer to Chelsea, which Chelsea HAVE to accept, unless they want to pay Barca a further €20m to block it.

The reason I'm bringing up Cesc is because you're always on the opposite side of the fence to me re: the saga - that Barca are well-entitled to shout their mouths off about Cesc because he wants to go back and hasn't achieved enough at Arsenal etc etc. What I'm saying is that Xavi will be even more entitled to open his mouth in a year, or two year's time (the buy-back clause is just €10m after the first year) and tempt Romeu back.

The only real reason you've given for Cesc being different to Romeu is that he hasn't won anything at Arsenal. What's to say Romeu is guaranteed success at Chelsea? An ageing squad which nearly fell out of the top 3/4 last season and who have made no major business in this summer's window.

I look forward to your reaction - whether you stick to what you're saying now or not - when a new saga inevitably crops up.

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Exacly, only thing is because we said this people will always bring up the well Terry, Lampard and Drogba all wanted to leave did you want them to leave too bollocks. And i always say the same thing, of corse i would have been upset to see any of them leave but if a player wants out then good riddence.

You don't think that's at all hypocritical? You'd be sad to see them leave, but if they're not 100% happy (which they clearly weren't for whatever reason) then good riddance? Which is it?

 

[oja20]

It's really got ****-all to do with not winning trophies, or about replacing Xavi. It's about their arrogance and the fact that they are clearly reluctant to let any of their young players go unless - like Fabregas - they go on to be brilliant and Barca are made to look a little silly that they didn't prioritise their development.

The buy-back clause won't "expire". It's mandatory. In maximum 2 years, Barca will HAVE to make a €15m offer to Chelsea, which Chelsea HAVE to accept, unless they want to pay Barca a further €20m to block it.

The reason I'm bringing up Cesc is because you're always on the opposite side of the fence to me re: the saga - that Barca are well-entitled to shout their mouths off about Cesc because he wants to go back and hasn't achieved enough at Arsenal etc etc. What I'm saying is that Xavi will be even more entitled to open his mouth in a year, or two year's time (the buy-back clause is just €10m after the first year) and tempt Romeu back.

The only real reason you've given for Cesc being different to Romeu is that he hasn't won anything at Arsenal. What's to say Romeu is guaranteed success at Chelsea? An ageing squad which nearly fell out of the top 3/4 last season and who have made no major business in this summer's window.

I look forward to your reaction - whether you stick to what you're saying now or not - when a new saga inevitably crops up.

We have to accept the bid etc. Yes but he has to accept the contract so if he wants to leave we don't want him at CFC..

We didn't nearly fall out of the top 4 when we finished 2nd, surely Arsenal almost fell out the top 4 as they finished 4th? I'm guessing you based that statement on our form in the winter months when in a bad run.

If we are an ageing squad then staying would be the better option as he's more likely a first team place..

 

[Joss]

We have to accept the bid etc. Yes but he has to accept the contract so if he wants to leave we don't want him at CFC..

We didn't nearly fall out of the top 4 when we finished 2nd, surely Arsenal almost fell out the top 4 as they finished 4th? I'm guessing you based that statement on our form in the winter months when in a bad run.

If we are an ageing squad then staying would be the better option as he's more likely a first team place..

Bar a dramatic turn around in form - and some luck in that Arsenal collapsed...

And ageing squad = possibility of decline, and less trophies in the next 2 years, not about getting a FT place.

And history shows very few players turn down Barcelona - Bojan and Jeffren have both already talked about the move as if it were a 2 year development loan (which it is)

 

[Jamie.]

I have a theory on why Xavi wants to keep in touch with everyone, I think he's wonewy.

If Romeu has a blistering half season, say he starts 20+ games and get's amazing plaudits by everyone what are the chances of Xavi coming out in January saying ''We want you back Oriol, come home.'' or something silly.

If he does I will be seething personally, not a fan of that sort of behaviour regardless of how talented Xavi is.

 

[Joss]

I have a theory on why Xavi wants to keep in touch with everyone, I think he's wonewy.

If Romeu has a blistering half season, say he starts 20+ games and get's amazing plaudits by everyone what are the chances of Xavi coming out in January saying ''We want you back Oriol, come home.'' or something silly.

If he does I will be seething personally, not a fan of that sort of behaviour regardless of how talented Xavi is.

Talking of Xavi, pointed this out on twitter a while ago (I got a RT from Sid Lowe! <3):

Robert Downey Jr?

Moronic, loud-mouthed *****?

 

[Jamie.]

If any Chelsea fan wants to vent their anger at the buy back deal or wants consolidating, I suggest looking over Roma fan forums...

They are absolutely seething about Bojan's deal, they see nothing in it for them at all.

Pages upon pages of ''quello che siamo un club alimentatore cazzo!''

Hope the ECA do put their foot down on this later in the year.

 

[Joss]

If any Chelsea fan wants to vent their anger at the buy back deal or wants consolidating, I suggest looking over Roma fan forums...

They are absolutely seething about Bojan's deal, they see nothing in it for them at all.

Pages upon pages of ''quello che siamo un club alimentatore cazzo!''

Hope the ECA do put their foot down on this later in the year.

You really think anyone will act over Barca doing something perfectly legal, but pretty ****-ish?

Have they acted on the constant tapping up of players? Not just Cesc, but Villa, Sanchez, any other player they want.

Will they act on Barca's €400m debt and prevent then from entering European competition on the grounds of FFP? I doubt it. Barca are the world's envy and most people are too far up their **** to do anything about it when they're in the wrong.

 

[CJACKO11]

It's really got ****-all to do with not winning trophies, or about replacing Xavi. It's about their arrogance and the fact that they are clearly reluctant to let any of their young players go unless - like Fabregas - they go on to be brilliant and Barca are made to look a little silly that they didn't prioritise their development.

The buy-back clause won't "expire". It's mandatory. In maximum 2 years, Barca will HAVE to make a €15m offer to Chelsea, which Chelsea HAVE to accept, unless they want to pay Barca a further €20m to block it.

The reason I'm bringing up Cesc is because you're always on the opposite side of the fence to me re: the saga - that Barca are well-entitled to shout their mouths off about Cesc because he wants to go back and hasn't achieved enough at Arsenal etc etc. What I'm saying is that Xavi will be even more entitled to open his mouth in a year, or two year's time (the buy-back clause is just €10m after the first year) and tempt Romeu back.

The only real reason you've given for Cesc being different to Romeu is that he hasn't won anything at Arsenal. What's to say Romeu is guaranteed success at Chelsea? An ageing squad which nearly fell out of the top 3/4 last season and who have made no major business in this summer's window.

I look forward to your reaction - whether you stick to what you're saying now or not - when a new saga inevitably crops up.

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You don't think that's at all hypocritical? You'd be sad to see them leave, but if they're not 100% happy (which they clearly weren't for whatever reason) then good riddance? Which is it?

Fabregas is clearly a man who is motivated by winning trophys simple as that. Whoes to say in 2 years time he wont be worth 20million to Chelsea and we will stump up the cash?? And again with the ageing squad!!! You are sounding like a broken record you really are, the 2 players i have concern about retiring are Lampard and Drogba and yes they are massive but the club have talented players already waiting in the shaddows. I would be more concered about your side, how did we nearly fall out the top 3/4?? With 3 games left we had a chance of the title and blew it, the 2 games that followed ment nothing and we dropped 4points in them which is when City caught us up because they needed to points to guarentee 3rd.

How is it hypocritical, of corse i would be sad to see our most successfull captain leave but if he wanted to leave then its for the best simple as that. Who wouldnt dissapointed but a player is better of somewhere else if his heart is not 100% commited to us.

If my reaction to the Drogba/Lampard/Terry saga was "if they want out then off you go" then im sure it wont change, ever.

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Bar a dramatic turn around in form - and some luck in that Arsenal collapsed...

And ageing squad = possibility of decline, and less trophies in the next 2 years, not about getting a FT place.

And history shows very few players turn down Barcelona - Bojan and Jeffren have both already talked about the move as if it were a 2 year development loan (which it is)

Seriously drop this ageing squad bollocks otherwise i'll run through the squad for the 1000th time to prove our squad has depth of all ages.

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You really think anyone will act over Barca doing something perfectly legal, but pretty ****-ish?

Have they acted on the constant tapping up of players? Not just Cesc, but Villa, Sanchez, any other player they want.

Will they act on Barca's €400m debt and prevent then from entering European competition on the grounds of FFP? I doubt it. Barca are the world's envy and most people are too far up their **** to do anything about it when they're in the wrong.

Tapping up is when you meet players illegally trying to force them to join your club. Barca are declaring their intrest in players through the media and through their own players who have good relations with the player in question. If anything its good sence, Barca have to care about one thing and one thing only and thats Barcelona.

 

[oja20]

Bar a dramatic turn around in form - and some luck in that Arsenal collapsed...

And ageing squad = possibility of decline, and less trophies in the next 2 years, not about getting a FT place.

And history shows very few players turn down Barcelona - Bojan and Jeffren have both already talked about the move as if it were a 2 year development loan (which it is)

Chelsea were top of the form table come the Utd game which was the 35th game (not 100%) with Liverpool just behind. A turn in form happens to every team in every season and every season the media go crazy and blame (for us) an ageing squad or for Arsenal poor CB's, no big buys, is Fab's head at Arsenal? which arn't necessarily true.

If I was a young player and joined an ageing squad then I'd be relishing the opportunity to be a key part of the next generation of players, maybe that's just me.

 

[Jamie.]

Yeah let's not talk about tapping up in the Chelsea thread lads.... *Cough* Kakuta *Cough*

 

[CJACKO11]

Yeah let's not talk about tapping up in the Chelsea thread lads.... *Cough* Kakuta *Cough*

i wouldnt even say him, Ashley Cole gate was proved and all parties were fined but everything else has just been proved to be bollocks including the Kakuta case.

 

[Joss]

Bored of continuing this argument with Jacko, but I don't "keep" bringing up Chelsea's ageing squad. That's the first time I've brought it up as far as I'm aware but it's a sentiment shared by plenty of others. I mentioned it again to clarify what I meant.

 

[Jamie.]

I think there was some foul play in signing youngsters, but the reason people don't moan is because club presidents/officials just accept that every club can do it.

 

[CJACKO11]

Bored of continuing this argument with Jacko, but I don't "keep" bringing up Chelsea's ageing squad. That's the first time I've brought it up as far as I'm aware but it's a sentiment shared by plenty of others. I mentioned it again to clarify what I meant.

I know its not just you that speaks about it but time and time again i say if you took time to look deep down then Chelsea are in a much better position than many give credit for. Yes we have Drogba, Lampard, Anelka, Cole, Malouda and Terry who are all 30+.
But when you see Torres (5years younger than Drogba)
McEachran (15years younger than Lampard)
Ramires (9years younger than Lampard)
Sturridge (11years younger than Anelka)
PVA and Bertrand (10 and 9years younger than Cole)
Luiz (6years younger than Terry)
Kalas (11years younger than Terry
Bruma (11 years younger than Terry)
Rajkovic (8years younger than Terry)
Chalobah (14years younger than Terry)

And this already goes with the likes of Courtois (19), Romeu (19), Mikel (24) and Kalou (25) and whoever else comes through our much improved youth acadamy.

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I think there was some foul play in signing youngsters, but the reason people don't moan is because club presidents/officials just accept that every club can do it.

Same goes with every bigger club though i think, if the big club can offer the smaller club an ammount of money they cant refuse then they would be stupid not to take it.

 

[Jamie.]

Lalkovic/Prosenik/Kakuta/Lucas Piazon/Pherez/Affane/Ake/Mitrovic...

Alot of promising young players in the academy or signed at the Football Club.

 

[CJACKO11]

Lalkovic/Prosenik/Kakuta/Lucas Piazon/Pherez/Affane/Ake/Mitrovic...Alot of promising young players in the academy or signed at the Football Club.

Lalkovic needs abit of fine tuning but looks ok
Prosenik needs a full season without injurys but looks decent
Kakuta needs a loan deal where he will play week in week out
Totally forgot about Piazon!!!!
Mitrovic's time has passed for me, injurys didnt help
And the other 3 all have something about them.

Morale of this is Chelsea's acadamy/scouting network is better than ever.

 

[sunilvk7]

I know its not just you that speaks about it but time and time again i say if you took time to look deep down then Chelsea are in a much better position than many give credit for. Yes we have Drogba, Lampard, Anelka, Cole, Malouda and Terry who are all 30+.
But when you see Torres (5years younger than Drogba)
McEachran (15years younger than Lampard)
Ramires (9years younger than Lampard)
Sturridge (11years younger than Anelka)
PVA and Bertrand (10 and 9years younger than Cole)
Luiz (6years younger than Terry)
Kalas (11years younger than Terry
Bruma (11 years younger than Terry)
Rajkovic (8years younger than Terry)
Chalobah (14years younger than Terry)

And this already goes with the likes of Courtois (19), Romeu (19), Mikel (24) and Kalou (25) and whoever else comes through our much improved youth acadamy.[COLOR=#00e0]

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Same goes with every bigger club though i think, if the big club can offer the smaller club an ammount of money they cant refuse then they would be stupid not to take it.

Lol naming young players just for the sake of it. Will see how mnay of those young players will get a chance and how many will stay with Chelsea after say 2-3 years..