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I said if it was less than that it would be a bargain, but the price we're paying is a fair price, IMO. Not saying it's cheap, of course it's not, but these are the prices you have to pay now. Plus, £25M is only a reported fee, some say €25M. And what I mean by less than the reported fee is under £20M.

When you compare the price to that of Lucas Moura, for example, it's a good fee.

No its just less exorbitant that Moura's its still very expensive for a young player who is more potential than ability. Its not a ""fair price", its merely their value of him because they don't want to lose him but will make clubs pay through the nose if they have to, to get him. It certainly isn't the kind of prices you have to pay now.
 
can I ask now, is FFP dead?

The transfer fee of a player is averaged out over his contract. That, coupled with the fact that clubs are still allowed to make €50m losses per season means transfer fees aren't really going to effect the big clubs. Wouldn't worry too much about FFP if I were you.
 
The transfer fee of a player is averaged out over his contract. That, coupled with the fact that clubs are still allowed to make €50m losses per season means transfer fees aren't really going to effect the big clubs. Wouldn't worry too much about FFP if I were you.

Only for the first two seasons can they make £45m per year losses.

But in this case, Chelsea are using their CL winnings to fund one last splurge, for players who dont need to be replaceed for 5+ and beyond that, allowing them to make one or two purchases from now on. Chelsea should scrape through in all honesty.
 
Think Oscar will have to understand his future role in a double pivot more than anything else. Improve his decision making so he knows when to get forward to prompt attacks and when to sit deep to dictate play. Also has to fine-tune his defensive game and improve his strength so he can hold off challenges. Work-rate and willingness to track back is there so thats a good start

From what I have seen, he naturally drops deep to initiate attacks even when playing as a No. 10. Also his off-the-ball movement is excellent. When he sits deep, he passes the ball and immediately moves to a open space freeing himself for a pass if his teammates are unable to progress the attack.

Personally speaking I feel Oscar has all the attributes to develop into a regista. He needs to show the correct attitude and put in the work to fine-tune his game and understand the role. From what I know, he is not a troublemaker despite the wages trouble he has with Sao Paulo. Club is making a good bet on him
 
Only for the first two seasons can they make £45m per year losses.

But in this case, Chelsea are using their CL winnings to fund one last splurge, for players who dont need to be replaceed for 5+ and beyond that, allowing them to make one or two purchases from now on. Chelsea should scrape through in all honesty.

Agree with this. Would not have needed this splurge if we actually had a plan in the last 8 years but things looking better now. Definitely lots of potential to continue to improve the finances. Hopefully the clubs sorts out a wage structure soon and gets a site for a new stadium.
 
Only for the first two seasons can they make £45m per year losses.

But in this case, Chelsea are using their CL winnings to fund one last splurge, for players who dont need to be replaceed for 5+ and beyond that, allowing them to make one or two purchases from now on. Chelsea should scrape through in all honesty.

Then it goes down to around £35m I think.

But my point being, only around £5m of the fee will effect their FFP report.
 
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There's only so much Ramires can do. Antonio Valencia is exceptionally defensively aware, but he can't be expected to restrict his attacking duties in order to tuck in on the right and try and help out in midfield, not if United want to retain him as an outlet on the right. Same deal with Ramires.

Wait, what role is Ramires playing in this situation? I'm seeing him as part of a double pivot, whereas I think you're seeing him as a right winger. For me, buying Oscar and expecting him to play as a top class regista at his age is way too risky, so I'm assuming he'd actually play in the attacking band of midfielders whilst Ramires would act as a transition player.

Otherwise yeah, I'm sure we'll suffer from the problems that Holland did against Portugal (to give an immediate example), both offensively and defensively.
 
Agree with this. Would not have needed this splurge if we actually had a plan in the last 8 years but things looking better now. Definitely lots of potential to continue to improve the finances. Hopefully the clubs sorts out a wage structure soon and gets a site for a new stadium.

When it comes to FFP wages are far more important that transfer fees. If your club has bought likes likes of Hazard etc with out some sort of wage structure in place, it could make things very tough. Hopefully they have been signed along the lines of Mata, who is on about 70-80k. Stadium is key in the long run.
 
Then it goes down to around £35m I think.

But yeah, buying young players seems to be the best thing to do. But my point being, only around £5m of the fee will effect their FFP report.

Agreed fees aren't the big issue here, its the wages. As long as the wages are reasonable it shouldn't be an issue. But they need to increase revenue at some point, which they are working on. They cant rely on winning the CL every year.
 
Wait, what role is Ramires playing in this situation? I'm seeing him as part of a double pivot, whereas I think you're seeing him as a right winger. For me, buying Oscar and expecting him to play as a top class regista at his age is way too risky, so I'm assuming he'd actually play in the attacking band of midfielders whilst Ramires would act as a transition player.

Otherwise yeah, I'm sure we'll suffer from the problems that Holland did against Portugal (to give an immediate example), both offensively and defensively.

I'd expect Oscar to start high right, and eventually make his way back to the middle.
 
Wait, what role is Ramires playing in this situation? I'm seeing him as part of a double pivot, whereas I think you're seeing him as a right winger. For me, buying Oscar and expecting him to play as a top class regista at his age is way too risky, so I'm assuming he'd actually play in the attacking band of midfielders whilst Ramires would act as a transition player.

Otherwise yeah, I'm sure we'll suffer from the problems that Holland did against Portugal (to give an immediate example), both offensively and defensively.


Would seem like the best option surely. Oscar needs to refine his defensive game and understand the role properly before we thrown him into it. Seems like playing Ramires as an energetic shuttler beside a destroyer like Mikel at least for the first 6 months if not more should be implented

Or maybe we will continue to use Super Frank in the pivot with Oscar rotating until Oscar is ready to step into the first-team. Also allows Ramires to cause havoc on the right. I like this option better
 
-Edit- People seem to be thinking the same.


Speaking of which, is anyone else massively uneasy about giving Oscar what is normally considered a 30 year old's job? It'll require to have incredible technical ability, vision and composure if he is to succeed and one **** up can quite easily lead to a goal. It's A LOT of pressure to put on a 20 year old, especially one that's never played outside of Brazil before.
 
When it comes to FFP wages are far more important that transfer fees. If your club has bought likes likes of Hazard etc with out some sort of wage structure in place, it could make things very tough. Hopefully they have been signed along the lines of Mata, who is on about 70-80k. Stadium is key in the long run.

Hazard on 100k p/w apparently which is reasonable(ish)... Would have been tough to sign him on lower wages considering the competition we faced for his signature.

Would be a good time for the club to sort out a wage structure now though. We have just basically overhauled the team and began a new era... Its as good a time as any to create a wage structure and follow it

Stadium is the key for us though.
 
-Edit- People seem to be thinking the same.


Speaking of which, is anyone else massively uneasy about giving Oscar what is normally considered a 30 year old's job? It'll require to have incredible technical ability, vision and composure if he is to succeed and one **** up can quite easily lead to a goal. It's A LOT of pressure to put on a 20 year old, especially one that's never played outside of Brazil before.

I would be pretty concerned. The positioning there is key, absolutely key. Lose that shape and its Holland vs Portugal. It's why i was so vocal about United making any attempt to sign and play Dembele there.
 
-Edit- People seem to be thinking the same.


Speaking of which, is anyone else massively uneasy about giving Oscar what is normally considered a 30 year old's job? It'll require to have incredible technical ability, vision and composure if he is to succeed and one **** up can quite easily lead to a goal. It's A LOT of pressure to put on a 20 year old, especially one that's never played outside of Brazil before.

Think he has the natural skill-set. Its more about whether he understands and can handle the amount of work that goes into the role. I am guessing we will continue with Lamps there till Oscar is ready to step in full-time. Would be better than playing Ramires in a 'energetic shuttler' role that does no justice to his overall attributes
 
I'd expect Oscar to start high right, and eventually make his way back to the middle.

Right? Would be better if he is used as cover for Mata early on with Hazard being kept on the left. Oscar is competent on the right but makes more sense to play him as a back-up to Mata whose minutes will have to be managed very carefully next season as he has essentially been playing non-stop for the past 12 months
 
Agreed fees aren't the big issue here, its the wages. As long as the wages are reasonable it shouldn't be an issue. But they need to increase revenue at some point, which they are working on. They cant rely on winning the CL every year.

That was my point.. Somebody said "is FFP dead?", I was trying to explain that transfer fees don't massively effect FFP.
 
Right? Would be better if he is used as cover for Mata early on with Hazard being kept on the left. Oscar is competent on the right but makes more sense to play him as a back-up to Mata whose minutes will have to be managed very carefully next season as he has essentially been playing non-stop for the past 12 months

Well he plays through the middle and the advanced right, makes more sense to play him somewhere where he is comfortable as he settles in, you also have Marin. Makes more sense to put Hazard through the middle to cover Mata if you are resting him, as its a focal point in a 4-2-3-1
 
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